March 7, 2016

Strong Pep Talk for Berners: Why We Must Keep Fighting for Bernie Sanders

From Tim Black

March 7, 2016

Tim Black: How The Clinton Machine Bamboozled Bernie Sanders and The American Voters

What do you do if you (Hillary) were a "Goldwater Girl" for a pro-segregation candidate, while your opponent (Bernie) was getting arrested in protest against segregation...but, you're "Entitled" to the Black vote and "entitled" to the Presidency...what do you do?

The answer, in the video below - the MSM and Clinton Machine spin to "whitewash" Bernie's great record away. Please upvote and tweet the youtube video from youtube if you can, this African American talk show host directly asks in the video to help him get this message out.

To Hillary fans, "Goldwater Girl" is a direct quote from Hillary in a video describing what she used to be. But don't let it stop you from calling all Bernie supporters of this quote "sexist" just because Hillary told us that this is the phrase for it.

Powerful image: Sanders CHAINED to African American woman and another AA person, during anti-segregation protest:


How The Clinton Machine Bamboozled Bernie Sanders and The American Voters

March 6, 2016

Revealed: How the Clintons (NOT Nader) Cost Gore Florida in 2000

Someone asked me to OP this when I added a note about this little-known chapter in the shameful 2000 election in a thread about another piece of dishonesty The myth of Bill Clinton being "great" for black employment, but this other bit of dishonesty and lost opportunity floored me when I first found out..As if the stolen 2000 election doesn't have enough ugly chapters in it, here's another.

So, we know about the butterfly ballot the media focus on and about much bigger assaults on Democracy like the right-wingers on the Supreme Court saying "stop the counting"...But did you know how big a role disenfranchisement of prisoners played?

So big that if the Clintons had fought against voter disenfranchisement (they chose to not go to bat for it) then just for Florida alone, take the number of people who were released, who paid their dues, did their time..and take the number of those people in Florida, and look at demographically, to see what percent, or how many would on average be expected to vote Democratic versus Republican (much more the former) and that alone would have gotten not only Gore winning Florida (there is evidence he already did..) but winning by a big margin. Here I just searched and found one:

There was also at least some slight attention to a numerically far more significant factor than the ugly harassment of black voters and electoral chicanery: disenfranchisement through incarceration. The day after the election, Human Rights Watch issued a (barely- noted) study reporting that the “decisive” element in the Florida election was the exclusion of 31 percent of African-American men, either in prison or among the more than 400,000 “ex-offenders” permanently disenfranchised. HRW estimates than “more than 200,000 potential black voters [were] excluded from the polls.” Since they overwhelmingly vote Democratic, that “decisively” changed the outcome. (of the 2000 voting result in Florida!)

The numbers overwhelm those debated in the intense scrutiny over marginal technical issues (dimpled chads, etc.). The same was true of other swing states. In seven states, HRW reported, “one in four black men is permanently barred” from voting; “almost every state in the U.S. denies prisoners the right to vote” and “fourteen states bar criminal offenders from voting even after they have finished their sentences,” permanently disenfranchising “over one million ex-offenders.” These are African- American and Latino out of any relation to proportion of the population, or even to what is called “crime.”

This is Noam Chomsky writing in January 2001 This was a far, far larger factor than Nader, who receives nasty attacks all the time.

In other words not only did Hillary vote for the Iraq war disaster, and strongly pushed for the disaster in Libya's ISIS filled failed state, but she and her husband's "centrist" (really: right wing) Democrat strategy helped Bush win in 2000 in the first place..and all the disasters that meant...so even part of George W. Bush's war crimes, at least in part, fall on Clinton shoulders by them helping him win Florida and thus, along with outrageous Supreme Court behavior, get into the White House and wreak havoc in the middle east and in the U.S.

But another lesson is how "helpful" it is to be "moderate", right?

That "moderation" meant these right-wing Democrats Bill and Hillary weren't going to dirty their dainty 1% hands by trying to help mostly poor and lower-middle class Americans right? Republicans might have called them bad named, you know?

Lesson Learned: Drinking Hillary (and Bill) Clinton's "centrist" (Republican wolf in Democratic sheep clothing) so called medicine, is not medicine at all, it's poison! That and something else to tell the "it's all Nader's fault" crowd. Progressives unite to keep war-crime supporting, single mother shaming, middle class screwing and poor brutalizing DLC types, Hillary very much included!

March 6, 2016

Spread the word: call these Bernie legal team #s if told to go home 515-450-6960 & 918-587-8800

Can someone please tell voters they can call Bernie legal dept for help: 515-450-6960 & 918-587-8800

I haven't tired myself but see below from twitter, she was replying to huge turnout video which was posted on DU

Helen C. ?@SFCHCP123 1h1 hour ago

@Phitter @Brains4Bern if ppl getting told to go home Bernie legal: 515-450-6960 or 918-587-8800 or Maine elections (207) 624 7736 Thx
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March 6, 2016

How to convert Trump supporters into Bernie supports...some ideas here..add your own!

A thread about a success so far has no details on how they pulled it off. I hope they add the details of their experience here and on that thread. Here are a few talking points of my own, please add your own:

1. Immigration!

Trump is right that NAFTA was a bad idea...But only Bernie has decades of experience fighting against that.

Trump is an unknown, but Bernie has a proven track record, consistent, against NAFTA and against the TPP (share links or about the TPP)

Here's the deal:

1A) If we keep devastating Mexico and Central America with the war on drugs and with NAFTA type policies, then no matter how brutal we are even shooting children to death...which I am totally against,...but even if we went that extreme...desperate people, would STILL come, desperate people who most of them would prefer to stay with their families in Mexico and Central America, are gonna come, no matter how brutal we are even murderous, because of the devastation economically from NAFTA and related policies and from the violence from the war on drugs..would still keep coming! How many? The longer we left "free" (corporate) trade fester, and the "War on Drugs", the more will come, no matter how extreme our "counter-measures"! It's a losing battle...unless:

(by being respectful and not loud and angry, try get the Trump supporter to relax and listen while you say the first half so they hear the second half)

1B) But, if you actually end the madness of the drug war and NAFTA type policies then even without any brutal policies, far, far, fewer will want to come to the U.S....they will be happy with their families over there, of course some will want to immigrate to the U.S. but far far fewer especially "illegal" immigrants, will want to come if they are not feeling War on Drug gangs and NAFTA type policies that devastate both American workers...and also which helped kick self sufficient farmers off their lands and moved them into desperate conditions in large cities or maquiladoras working in sweatshops, which are policies which hurts Americans AND Mexicans and Central Americans.

1C) Who do YOU want as president, someone without a track record, who might change his mind later, like Trump, or do you want someone with well over 20 years of oppositions to such trade deals nationally?

And who has a record of fighting for regular working class people, regular men and women, small businesses, farmers and others like he has in Vermont?

That's just SOME of the reasons you, Mr./Ms. Trump supporter, should joint Bernie!

2. Not wasting trillions of dollars (and lives) on wars for empire

Trump is rightly very skeptical of the disasters in Iraq, and Libya, and what Hillary is trying to do in Syria to turn it into another ISIS filled Libya failed state...but again do you want someone who says the right things, like Trump, or someone who has for decades said and DONE the right thing in votes, reliable for decades?

add your own reasons!

I'll put reason 10:

10. Mutual Respect

Mutual respect everywhere..respectful tone..and work together where we agree on so many issues:

"I promise to come to your defence if progressives act as if all Trump supporters or all former Trump supporters fit some single ugly stereotype." In fact here's youtube segment from the Benjamin Dixon show..

"Not All Trump Supporters are Buffoons -- and Why This Matters!" is the name of the segment by this African American talk show host. Below I'll add a link.

Can you help me fill in talking points 3 through 9?

I hear Elizabeth Warren liked Trump on Taxing the Rich...don't have those details...some ideas for getting us to 10 total talking poitns to convert Trump supporters? Don't laugh, even if we win over 10% more (than otherwise would have anyway) it's a win

March 6, 2016

WARNING! Just look at how" terrible" this "Socialism" is - scary numbers!

It's really Social Democrat that's where Bernie's coming from (only a bit of socialism like cooperatives, worker owned etc) but let's go with "socialism!" scary? Let this Australian show you how "scary" it is:

In the video Description on youtube he writes:

Published on Mar 5, 2016 This is a REAL Australian pay slip. How do I know? It's our youngest son's weekly pay slip. How does this compare to the average US weekly wage? I'd like to know. And NO. Things are not 3 times more expensive here either in case you were wondering.

If you liked his video give him a thumbs up or even subscribe...this great eye opening video has only 15 views right now on youtube and his channel only a little over 100 subscribers.. (I only found his channel since he posted a comment on a video by " target="_blank"> the Sane Progressive where by the way another user named
Brenda Schouten-Beckett wrote, "I will never vote for the Uterus of Wall Street." which has a couple dozen Likes so far..Debbie the Sane Progressive gave a strong case for making sure it's Bernie, not either Clinton or Trump, but also she laid out how Clinton could be worse and more dangerous with the liberal half of the country going to sleep)

March 6, 2016

Shouldn't the top thread this and every weekend be THIS?

Do we need a thread this weekend, most weekends, with lots of k/r, to remind ourselves and everyone:

"don't spend the whole weekend preaching to the choir, we must outreach to undecided and the mildly pro-Hillary folks, and keep fighting, if we want to win!"

March 6, 2016

Online readers SCORTCH unbelievably biased New York Times headline, article

These are the top rated comments...notice how many recommends!

Coverage is still bad but looking at comments, the Times headline and reporting used to be even Worse before updating this online, after exposed by readers...

The third one just smashes the Times: "So Bernie wins two of three tonight, and I get a headline that Clinton wins Louisiana with a picture of her? Is it not bad enough that the DNC wants this whole race in the bag for Mrs. Clinton? Must your paper do the same? I'm not even a registered Democrat, but please make an effort at fairer coverage."

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oregon 32 minutes ago

Bernie wins two out of three and still can't grab the headline?

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Next,

Michelle
Madison 32 minutes ago

Please stop saying that Clinton has a huge lead in delegates. Superdelegates don't matter that much right now. Clinton is not that far ahead in pledged delegates. Sanders has a good chance!! Stop misleading people

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and my favorite:

Teacher
Upstate N.Y. 18 minutes ago

So Bernie wins two of three tonight, and I get a headline that Clinton wins Louisiana with a picture of her? Is it not bad enough that the DNC wants this whole race in the bag for Mrs. Clinton? Must your paper do the same? I'm not even a registered Democrat, but please make an effort at fairer coverage.

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More background we need to share these more specifics with people in ALL comment sections of websites, newspapers, blogs are:

Super delegate votes have not even been cast..that is a fact, not some "opinon" by Sanders supporters but the actual reality and the other fact is they can change who they vote for, and it does not have to be for who they are currently "pledged" to...

That's exactly what happened in 2008, many super delegates "pledged to Hillary Clinton" lo and behold, changed and cast their votes for Obama if, or when, they saw their districts, their states popular vote of us regular people, going to Obama.

Debbie a vlogger on youtube called The Sane Progressive on YT has spoken about how it's misleading when the media is Reporting Un-cast Super Delegate Votes as if they are final..

We need to spread this info to the uninformed, undecided, and even those currenetly supporting Clinton because of the myth of "Sanders can't win"

Shane Ryan has an article on some online magazine (Pastemagazine)about this misleading math for super-delegates. http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/after-sanders-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html

The Times should report only the delegates that are written in stone: the Regular" ones not the "super-delegates" Benie was ahead of Clinton by that count, the only count that is final, when I checked a week ago..

At the very least, the Times should stop calling Clinton the "Front-runner" and give two counts: one Without the (un-cast, not yet final, and can later be changed) super-delegates, and one with.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/us/politics/primary-elections.html?comments#permid=17795928:17796200

March 5, 2016

Leaked emails show even more Hillary's dishonesty on "free" corporate trade deals

Free free to post this outside the Bernie groups, where some Hillary supporters or at least the undecided, might see it, it won't help to just preach to fellow Bernie fans.

So, her vote for NAFTA that was destructive both to the U.S. and Mexico was a "mistake" she says..the main counter is that she is trying to tell people that it's a good idea to support today's TPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership, which is NAFTA on steroids.

Now this comes out: she promised the public oppose Latin American deal but leaked emails show she worked to make it happen.

Hillary Clinton Pushes Colombia Free Trade Agreement In Latest Email Dump
By David Sirota @davidsirota AND Sarah Berger @sarahberger0408 On 02/26/16 AT 9:23 PM

On the eve of South Carolina’s Democratic presidential primary, the U.S. State Department released 1,500 pages of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s emails from her tenure as secretary of state. Included in the 881 emails published Friday night are messages highlighting Clinton lobbying for a controversial Colombian trade deal she previously pledged to oppose.

During her 2008 presidential run, Clinton said she opposed the deal because “I am very concerned about the history of violence against trade unionists in Colombia.” She later declared, “I oppose the deal. I have spoken out against the deal, I will vote against the deal, and I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.”

But newly released emails show that as secretary of state, Clinton was personally lobbying Democratic members of Congress to support the deal, even promising one senior lawmaker that the deal would extend labor protections to Colombian workers that would be as good or better than those enjoyed by many workers in the United States

Despite Clinton’s 2011 assurances to Levin that Colombian workers would get strong labor protections, union officials say violence against workers remains a significant problem in that South American country. A 2015 AFL-CIO report citing data from Colombia’s National Union School asserted that “in the four years since the United States and Colombia signed the Labor Action Plan — a precursor to the U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement — to address entrenched labor rights violations, Colombian workers have suffered more than 1,933 threats and acts of violence, including 105 assassinations of union activists and 1,337 death threats.”

Just imagine, if there were 1,337 documented death threats, how many actual ones,..

Anyway, yet another U-turn by Hillary, or double dealing duplicity outright, though we want to use gentler language when trying to convince the undecided, even if our gut feelings are to use such descriptions of Clinton's betrayal..how about: she has a long record, yes, but that long record shows she cannot be trusted, on issue after issue, to have the right judgement or to tell the truth, be it Iraq, or NAFTA and the TPP which allow secret un-elected officials to override our health and worker safety and environmental laws, and this Colombian corporate trade deal too..

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068

March 5, 2016

How the Clintons helped ENSURE Bush's win in 2000 while screwing over minorities

A little known part of the stolen election of 2000, just posted about it