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A reminder

Hopefully many have already read the thread about Liz Specht's article "The Math", written in early March.

The reason for the reminder is:


We’re looking at about 1M US cases by the end of April, 2M by ~May 5, 4M by ~May 11, and so on. Exponentials are hard to grasp, but this is how they go. 4/n

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213054589

Today, April 29th, total US cases: 1,055,455


Thus, it's probably worthwhile to consider the other predictions written there.

Does the origin of the virus really matter?

Wait, please understand what I'm asking before you reply.

I'm not asking about the response (or lack thereof) to the outbreak.

I'm not asking whether there is scientific value in pinpointing the precise origin.

What I'm wondering is what the difference will be if we ultimately discover that the virus was accidentally released from a research lab, versus that it got to us via a bat (or pangolin) via the wet market in Wuhan.

In either case, I will assume it was an accident (for the sake of this thread, please don't bring into it otherwise).

In either case, the need for stronger preventative measures exists for both, and are no doubt being dealt with by the Chinese.

In either case, China is clearly at fault and should accept responsibility, whatever that means.

So then, does it matter?

I think it does, but I want to hear other opinions.

Every time someone talks about reopening the economy

Answer back with: sure, when we have testing available for everyone.

What? He said we already do? When did he say that?

In other words, use it as an opportunity to turn it back to Trump, his lying, and most importantly, the absolutely critical role that testing plays in this drama, both before the virus got a toehold here, and going forward as the key to returning to a semi-functioning society.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ***TESTING***

(it really is)

WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE TIME THAT YOU BOUGHT?

Finally!

This reporter finally got him to hear the question

PROPAGANDA, paid for by taxpayers, aired from the White House

Said John King on CNN right now

Another reason there should be massive widespread testing

Imagine screening millions and millions and millions of people, especially folks in the high risk categories.

And taking detailed medical histories, or at least, what current medications are being taken.

Compile all that data and look for trends.

Voila. You now have some promising leads as to which currently prescribed medications might be prophylactic for Covid-19.

Know what would be funny?

Seeing how much positive attention Boris Johnson is getting must be making Trump awfully jealous.

Now, when Johnson recovers (he will), Trump is really going to be itching for a way to one-up him. He may even somehow *let* himself get infected, feeling certain that HCQ will save him. Just imagine the press, were that to happen! He'd practically be guaranteed re-election!

Only then, HCQ fails him...

(Of course, being the coward he is, he'd probably try to fake being sick, and have a fake positive test.)

Is Trump lying about 300 million masks on order?

I heard Gov. Newsome today speaking about how he used the purchasing power of the great state of California to order 200 million masks.

Then, later, I heard Trump say nearly the same thing, except (of course!) it was 300 million.

Did he just say that to try to one-up Newsome??

I mean, we all know how Petty and juvenile he is, but did he order masks or not? How will we know?

Penn Launches Trial to Evaluate Hydroxychloroquine to Treat, Prevent COVID-19

They are currently enrolling people, so check the link if you are interested in participating.

https://clinicalresearch.itmat.upenn.edu/clinicaltrial/6407/covid19-a-trial-in-quarantined-subjects-with-covid19/

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/april/penn-launches-trial-to-evaluate-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-prevent-covid19

PHILADELPHIA – A new trial led by the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania will evaluate whether the drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) can benefit people infected with COVID-19, as well as whether taking the drug preventatively may help people avoid infection altogether. The study, called Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 with HCQ (PATCH), is currently enrolling patients in three separate sub-studies (NCT04329923).

PATCH sub-study 1 will evaluate HCQ compared to placebo in infected patients who are quarantined at home. PATCH sub-study 2 will evaluate high dose compared to low dose HCQ in hospitalized patients. PATCH sub-study 3 will evealuate HCQ compared to placebo prophylactically in health care workers working with COVID-19 patients to evaluate whether it can prevent infection. Sub-studies 1 and 3 are double-blind placebo controlled studies, meaning neither the patient nor the doctor will know whether they are taking HCQ or placebo until the end of the study. Importantly, if the patient or health care worker starts getting worse, they can be “unblinded”, and the trial allows crossover to HCQ if the patient was assigned placebo.

(snip)

The first sub-study of the trial will test HCQ in patients who are infected and are well enough to go home, but who need to be in quarantine. Quarantine can be prolonged for some people who have a worse case of the illness, and can impose significant economic, emotional, and psychological hardship on the patient and his or her family. Family members living with a quarantined COVID-19 patient are at high risk of getting the disease themselves. In order to be released from quarantine, they must meet certain criteria according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC): patients must go 72 hours without a fever, see their symptoms improve, and go seven days since their symptoms first appeared. The primary goal of PATCH sub-study 1 is to find out whether the drug reduces the number of days the patient stays quarantined. Researchers were forced to overcome unique logistical hurdles, including arranging for virtual consents from patients and home delivery of HCQ doses.

The second sub-study of the trial will test HCQ in patients who are hospitalized with COVID-19 to see if it can reduce the time to discharge. Patients in this group will also be randomized into a high dose or low dose group. No one will receive a placebo. The correct dose of HCQ for treating COVID-19 is not currently known and this study will provide valuable information to answer that question.

The third sub-study will test whether HCQ can work as a preventative medicine to stop infection in health care workers at risk of exposure to COVID-19. Researchers plan to enroll 200 workers in the sub-study.

more at links

Trying again

I posted this several weeks ago, wanted to repost to get people's thoughts on this now.

I'm really hoping we learn some valuable lessons from this and somehow manage to substantially change our society for the better.

Can we?

Maybe we as a society come out the other end better off?

I've said this before, but this may really be a once in a multiple generation to have a societal paradigm shift, for the better. It's up to us

When vast swaths of Americans see that the world didn't end when they stepped off the treadmill for a few moments, when businesses realized they can adjust to having a substantial portion of their workforce telecommute, when millions finally see first hand the value of a strong public health policy and infrastructure, and that it's not "socialism" but sound social structure, maybe the scales start falling away from our collective eyes, the spell that the corporate and political class have hoodwinked us into trading our lives for starts to crack, when we experience again for more than a brief weekend what it's like to spend time with our families not on a hurried vacation but at home. Well, maybe we will all realize at once that things don't have to be the way we have allowed them to become. That we can slow it all down and if corporations have to settle for smaller profits, so be it.

Maybe we, those of us that make it, come out the other side with a renewed sense of how things could be. You won't get another chance like this.
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