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April 22, 2016

Time for a review: The testimony of voting software creator Clint Curtis, before members of Congress

As we have many new people here, you should be informed of some of the greatest work ever done together here, on DU. Our government knows all about our voting machines, and they make many laws making sure we can't even look inside, at the source code. Touchscreen or scanned ballots, it's how they are all tallied, and it's electronic. The audit is inadequate and doesn't even check/verify half the vote in many states. Florida is the worst example of election law. I posted this in video section, but it will not be seen. This has much to do with our primary right now, waiting for a resolution in NY. Listen to this quick testimony before members of congress:

April 22, 2016

Ed Shultz Show tonight-Terry McAuliffe wants drilling off the shore, will Hillary do this with him?

Ed Shultz tonight said no one has asked Hillary this question, and they need to quickly.

Terry McAuliffe, democratic governor of VA, used to be very against drilling when he ran the party, and lived in Florida. Now, Terry wants to drill off the Atlantic. The small businesses in the area are against it, because of the memories of the BPee Gulf oil spill.

Tonight they showcased the six year anniversary, and the paltry payout by BP for all the damage. Ed Shultz says it's up to Obama, to tell them that is not enough. All believe Obama should do just that.

Now that Terry is on board with Obama to drill, Ed asked if this is where democratic mentality is going, that it's not just a partisan divide, they can now find a home for drilling in our democratic party?

The other governors along the coast fought Obama, and it was dropped. Terry McAuliffe, a DEMOCRAT pushed for this drilling policy and is still pushing for this policy. Small business near the coast do not want any part of drilling off their coast.

These are just multinational companies who would love to do business, and not pay for the cost of that business when it comes to the environment. They never do. Just look at the constant fight in Louisiana, and now with matters of the Gulf of Mexico, businesses in four states from BP. It's still a mess, the eco system is very damaged in the Gulf.

There is a glut of oil now! Is THIS how we tackle climate change? Not hardly!

While Hillary was fundraising in S. Florida, their elected officials were fighting Obama on this drilling. Hillary was in Florida so they reached out and asked months ago where she stood. Hillary refused to answer.

It's time for Hillary to answer: Is she for drilling off of our Atlantic coast for oil and gas? Is this what her and Gov. McAuliffe are cooking up? After all, she wants to continue on the Obama path. This path was stopped. Will we have to fight Hillary on this?

It's time for Hillary to answer.

April 22, 2016

Time for a review: The testimony of voting software creator Clint Curtis, before members of Congres

As we have many new people here, you should be informed of some of the greatest work ever done together here, on DU. Our government knows all about our voting machines, and they make many laws making sure we can't even look inside, at the source code. Touchscreen or scanned ballots, it's how they are all tallied, and it's electronic. The audit is inadequate and doesn't even check/verify half the vote in many states. Florida is the worst example of election law. Listen to this quick testimony before members of congress:

April 21, 2016

Time to watch the CSPAN Election Fraud Hearings - The Conyers Committee

You must watch, learn what you are seeing today, especially in NY, has already been heard. Nothing has been done to fix any of these matters. Watch how those who are partisans get to conduct the elections, just like the review today, in Brooklyn, NY.

This is a special tribute post to one of the lawyers for us in the hearing, Susan Truitt. She speaks at the 1:14 min. mark. She passed away in 2014 with breast cancer. This is her legacy as well as her family. Let's remember her, while we learn about NY and AZ. Fitrakis speaks at the beginning, and let's you know, what happened here in AZ and NY, we don't allow in El Salvador! Or anywhere.

Watch, listen, learn. Many here on DU today were not here in 04 and 05. We did all of this for all of you! It's relevant today!


April 21, 2016

The Free College Scare - It's FREE TUITION ONLY

As in other countries. You still have to purchase your books. You still have to pay to live on campus in a dorm or apartment. You still have to eat. It's not like you show up, you are housed, fed, books put on your desk and you study for free.


Germany just announced they are opening it up to any citizen in the world, to come and get a college education for free! But they say, you must be able to live there, take care of yourself and still buy your books.


People here don't really sound educated when you just type up these simplistic stupid statements. Learn about it first, then bring your ideas to the table. This board sounds like, gets along like, CONGRESS.

Hope you're proud whoever spouts 'ohh....free college!'.....oh my!
Since when do democrats sound worse than the republicans? Even Trump sounds better than these OP's, making fun of free college. Just thought I'd let you know, it's tuition only, and you pay for everything else! Some books are 300.00. You can get them used, if you're lucky. But you still pay for everything else.

Please stop the 'NO WE CAN'T' shit. That is exactly what it is....shit.

April 21, 2016

Bring it on Obama! Hillary lied to you!

The correspondence between Secretary Hillary Clinton and Sidney Blumenthal. [View all]
The purpose of this article is to shed a spotlight on the email correspondence between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Sidney Blumenthal, a civilian, during her tenure as Secretary of State. Using https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/ and the search terms "Blumenthal confidential", 562 results appeared (this report lists only emails from the first 301 results). While, all the emails are marked "unclassified" they are also marked "confidential" and ostensibly paint a picture of utilizing Sidney Blumenthal as an intelligence source on various state matters.

This is problematic because while the emails were not classified, they show possible damning evidence of corresponding with Mr. Blumenthal, who was then employed by the Clinton Foundation, not the state department, and was not given proper security clearance to pass along sensitive intelligence to Secretary Clinton. In turn, he did not email her without response, she responded regarding these highly sensitive matters. Since, their correspondence is extensive, some emails will be referenced, that were and were not retroactively classified, to highlight her possible violation of state security rules.

Sidney Blumenthal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Blumenthal):
Relationship to Secretary of State Clinton:

"After her January 2009 appointment as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton wanted to hire Blumenthal. However, Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, blocked his selection due to lingering anger among President Barack Obama's aides over Blumenthal's role in promoting negative stories about Obama during the Democratic primary. According to a report in the New York Times, "Emanuel talked with Mrs. Clinton ... and explained that bringing Mr. Blumenthal on board was a no-go. The bad blood among his colleagues was too deep, and the last thing the administration needed, he concluded, was dissension and drama in the ranks. In short, Mr. Blumenthal was out.

Blumenthal, a longtime confidant of Bill and Hillary Clinton, earned about $10,000 a month as a full-time employee of the Clinton Foundation. During the 2011 uprising in Libya against Muammar Gaddafi, Blumenthal prepared, from public and other sources, about 25 memos which he sent as emails to Clinton in 2011 and 2012, which she shared through her aide, Jake Sullivan, with senior State Department personnel...

The House Select Committee on Benghazi, headed by Representative Trey Gowdy (R-SC) served a subpoena on Blumenthal on May 19, 2015 for a deposition to be held on June 3, according to Reuters. Blumenthal's name came up during the October 22, 2015 full committee public questioning of Hillary Clinton regarding the Benghazi incident, as one of the alleged sources of Hillary Clinton's intelligence. During this hearing Democratic members asked that Blumenthal's deposition transcript be made public so that comments regarding his involvement could be placed in context. The motion was defeated by a voice vote, followed by a roll call vote along party lines."

Retroactively Classified emails between Secretary Clinton and Sidney Blumenthal and an explanation of the specific security codes cited as reason for retro-classification:

Emails completely blank or partly erased due to retro-classification.
See this website for classification procedure per "Executive Order 13526 - Classified National Security Information" (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information).

Sec. 1.6. Identification and Markings. (a) At the time of original classification, the following shall be indicated in a manner that is immediately apparent: (1) one of the three classification levels defined in section 1.2 of this order (the 3rd pertains to documents marked "Confidential&quot .

Sec. 1.2. Classification Levels. (a) Information may be classified at one of the following three levels:

(1) "Top Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe.
(2) "Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe.
(3) "Confidential" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security that the original classification authority is able to identify or describe.

Sec. 1.4. Classification Categories. Information shall not be considered for classification unless its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security in accordance with section 1.2 of this order, and it pertains to one or more of the following:

(a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations;
(b) foreign government information;
(c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;
(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;
(e) scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security;
(f) United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities;
(g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects, plans, or protection services relating to the national security; or
(h) the development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.

1. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/16223
RELEASE IN PART B4,1.4(B),B1,1.4(D),B6
From: Hillary Clinton
To: Sidney Blumenthal
Date: 2009-11-10 01:18
"Berlin was terrific. Lots of good exchanges w leaders. Have you heard anything else? 1.4(B) 1.4(D)"

2. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/26180
From: Sidney Blumenthal
To: Hillary Clinton
Date: 2009-07-14 04:18
Re: Moscow Summit/Germany/UK

"1. I have heard authoritatively from Bill Drozdiak, who is in Berlin and has just met with

1.4(D) B1

This is the third message I have received from sources about the disastrous nature of the Obama trip. Drozdiak also says that the US is totally out of the loop in Berlin--no ambassador, no DCM and a political counselor who has just arrived. The Germans have nobody to talk to and they don't expect to deal seriously with Obama's ambassadorial appointment. We should expect that the Germans and Russians will now cut their own separate deals on energy, regional security, etc., and those deals will reflect narrow, parochial economic and political needs indifferent to whether or not we deem them to be in the broader interest of the Western alliance."

3. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11467
Reason: 1.4(d)
Subject: Blank
"Sources with access to the highest levels of the governments and institutions discussed below. This includes."

4. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11644
Reason: 1.4(d)

5. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11789
Partly Classified, Reason: 1.4(d)
"Some names of key people in interim governmental committee provided by former adviser to 1.4(D) B1 Qaddafi, now in exile, provided to Cody. (Cody has helped his son get jobs, etc.) Some names are obvious; some other interesting detail. May prove accurate and useful."

6. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11869
Reason: 1.4(b) + 1.4(d)

7. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/11896
Reason 1.4(d)

8. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/20931
Reason: B1,1.4(B),1.4(D ),B6
From: Hillary Clinton
To: Sidney Blumenthal
Date: 2010-03-05 23:12

Emails marked CONFIDENTIAL, unclassified on 01/07/2016, and released in part and/or full:

1. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12560
From: Hillary Clinton
To: Sidney Blumenthal
Date: 2011-10-20 02:32 pm

"Thx again."

October 20, 2011
For: Hillary
From: Sid
2011-10-20 12:23pm
Re: Libya post-Q, internal politics NTC

"SOURCE: Sources with direct access to the Libyan National Transitional Council, as well as the highest levels of European Governments, and Western Intelligence and security services."

2. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/13013
May 2, 2011
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Bin Laden, AQ & Libya

"Latest report: During the early morning of May 2, 2011 sources with access to the leadership of the Libyan rebellion's ruling Transitional National Council (TNC) stated in confidence that they are concerned that the death of al Qa'ida leader Osama Bin Laden will inspire al Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) to use weapons they have obtained, which were originally intended for the rebels in Libya, to retaliate against the United States and its allies for this attack in Pakistan."

3. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12171
For: Hillary
From: Sid
July 24, 2012
Subject: Re: Syria, Turkey, Israel, Iran

"SOURCE: Sources with access to the highest levels of the Governments and institutions discussed below. This includes political parties and regional intelligence and security services. 1. According to an individual with access to the highest levels of major European governments, the intelligence services of these countries are reporting to their principals that the commanders of the Israeli military and intelligence community believe that the civil war in Syria is spreading to neighboring countries, including Lebanon, Jordan, and Turkey . These European officials are concerned that the ongoing conflict in Syria will lead to uprisings in these countries that will bring increasingly conservative Islamic regimes into power, replacing existing secular or moderate regimes. This individual adds that, Israeli security officials believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is convinced that these developments will leave them vulnerable, with only enemies on their borders."

4. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/437
February 17, 2010
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Iran, Saudi

"Had dinner last night (Tuesday, February 16) with Joschka Fischer. We had an interesting conversation on Iran and Saudi Arabia, among other things. (As you know Fischer is now director of the Nabucco pipeline project.) On Iran, harsh, targeted sanctions are absolutely necessary, but are most effective diplomatically when always coupled with an offer to negotiate.

The iron fist in the velvet glove approach achieves several objectives: According to Fischer's intelligence, Ahmanijehad wished some negotiated settlement but was blocked. The regime has splits at the top. Perhaps true, perhaps not. But constantly pushing negotiations alongside sanctions puts additional pressure on internal divisions, whatever they are. Extending an open hand while brandishing a stick closes diplomatic and political room to maneuver for Iran. Its refusal to accept the open hand justifies application of the stick. Even when sanctions are enforced it always remains useful to say another way is open. The damage done to Iran is therefore the result of its own choice. This approach also aids the opposition. A purely condign
sanctions strategy can contribute to the regime's will to punish and tighten repression. Talking of regime change, of course, undermines the cause of regime change. It is a gift to the regime. The opposition is a new factor in the Iran equation that must be taken into account on the political and moral level. Pushed to the wall, the regime may feel compelled to repress, which might involve thousands or tens of thousands of political killings. On Saudi Arabia, Fischer points out
that if Iran develops nuclear weaponry the Saudis already have their own bomb. The Saudis invested in Pakistan's nuclear weaponry partly for this eventuality; that's their bomb in reserve."

5. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12181
For: Hillary
From: Sid
July 14, 2012
Re; Egypt internal politics

"SOURCE: Sources with access to the highest levels of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, and Western Intelligence and security services. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION COMES FROM AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE SOURCE AND SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH CARE."

5. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12198
For: Hillary
From: Sid
June 6, 2012
Re: Libya Latest

"SOURCE: Sources with direct access to the Libyan National Transitional Council, as well as the highest levels of European Governments, and Western Intelligence and security services."

6. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12389
September 14, 2012
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Morsi's private conversations & coordination with Magariaf

"SOURCE: Sources with direct access to the Libyan National Transitional Council, as well as the highest levels of European governments, and Western Intelligence and security services."

7. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12376
October 3, 2012
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Turkey v. Syria (plus Iran)

"SOURCE: Sources with access to the highest levels of the Governments and institutions discussed below. This includes political parties and regional intelligence and security services.

On October 2 and 3, 2012, Turkish and Syrian forces exchanged fire across their border near the Turkish town of Akcakale; several Turkish civilians (including children) were killed, while Syrian casualties are not yet known.."

8. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3758
January 30, 2010
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: NI breakthrough

Shaun Woodward then Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Mr. Blumenthal acted as a liaison to Secretary Clinton.

"Shaun has just called me—about 9 p.m. EST. He says it is very likely that an agreement will be announced on Monday. The parties have reached agreement tonight. Shaun will call you on Sunday to brief. Gordon will fly into Belfast on Monday for a ceremony if all goes according to plan now. He will mention your role. You should be prepared to speak to the parties before the event and issue a statement. Hope it doesn't come unraveled over the next 36 hours."

9. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/6551
March 27, 2011
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Lots of new intel; Libyan army possibly on verge of collapse

"...Source Comment: Speaking in strict confidence, one rebel commander stated that his troops continue to summarily execute all foreign mercenaries captured in the fighting..."

10. https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12566
From: Hillary Clinton
To: Sidney Blumenthal
Date: 2011-09-17 07:57

"Thx. I'll try to check in w you this week."

September 16, 2011 1:32pm
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: France, UK, et al, jockeying in Libya/oil

"During mid-September 2011 French President Nicolas Sarkozy and British Prime Minister David Cameron traveled to Tripoli to meet with and express support for the leaders of the new government of Libya under the National Transitional Council (NTC). According to knowledgeable individuals, as part of this effort, the two leaders, in private conversations, also intend to press the leaders of the NTC to reward their early support for the rebellion against Muammar al Qaddafi. Sarkozy and Cameron expect this recognition to be tangible, in the form of favorable contracts for French and British energy companies looking to play a major role in the Libyan oil industry."

Email regarding Wikileaks itself: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/1036

November 29, 2010
For: Hillary
From: Sid
Re: Wikileaks

"The Wikileaks documents can be cast as reflecting a positive light on the U.S. government and diplomacy. Your statement about how the documents underscored the Iranian nuclear threat is headed in the right direction.

1. The Wikileaks disclosure is the opposite of the Pentagon Papers. The Pentagon Papers provided evidence from an internal study conducted by the Department of Defense that the U.S. administration was not telling the truth about the Vietnam War. On the contrary, the Wikileaks papers prove that the U.S. government today has been telling the truth about the threats we face in the world.

2. The Wikileaks papers prove that American diplomats are hard at work at the difficult, often frustrating job of protecting and advancing our interests in the world. These documents are testimony to the diligence, intelligence and clear mindedness of our diplomats. Our diplomats are doing their work on the frontline of national security."

These two emails pertains directly to the Petraeus Scandal, which relates to the ongoing FBI investigation, though they are looking into 30,000 emails not publicly released (those released are still of considerable impact):

1: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12339
From: Sidney Blumenthal
To: Hillary Clinton
Date: 2012-11-12 12:05pm

"My operative theory on Petraeus scandal is that it became an October Surprise that failed. Forcing the scandal public and his resignation would have been the trifecta--leaks, Benghazi, then Petraeus-- allowing Romney to argue that Obama had created a national security collapse. It would have overtaken the end of the campaign.
My thought is that Leahy should be in this now and that Feinstein should be made aware, if she is not already, of the October Surprise scenario.

2: https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12340
From: Sidney Blumenthal
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:51 AM
To: H
Subject: H: Here it is, what did Eric Cantor know and when did he know it. Sid

"...The F.B.I. investigators were not pursuing evidence of Mr. Petraeus's marital infidelity, which would not be a criminal matter, the official said. But their examination of his e-mails, most or all of them sent from a personal account and not from his C.I.A. account, raised the possibility of security breaches that needed to be addressed directly with him. 'Alarms went off on larger security issues,'' the official said.

(http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/usgbi-said-to-have-stumbled-into-news-of-david-petraeus- affair.html?pagewanted=all)

Secretary Hillary Clinton's statements regarding her emails:
1. "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."
2. "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."
3. "I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two," she said. "Looking back, it would have been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue."

Secretary Clinton's Statements Links:
1: http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_27689239/hillary-clinton-emails-fact-checking-her-statement
2: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-press-conference/index.html

April 20, 2016

Winners Don't Quit and Quitters Don't Win!

Go Bernie!

I just contacted the NY Board of Elections to speak to commissioner Mike Ryan, who said he was calling for an 'audit' to see why 120K people from Brooklyn alone, who were purged, who should not have been.

So I said that if you're waiting to see what happened, then you must hold off on awarding any delegates to either candidate until you know what happened. Even if you find out, jail a few thugs, what do you do?

You throw out the results, and NY delegates are not involved. Over. Those 247 delegates no longer needed in the total.

Or, fix the voting machines, assign and post polling places, and fix the voter rolls, not for the next election, but to redo this primary in May or June, according to the rules that TAX PAYERS PAY THEM TO DO THEIR JOBS. If none of this can be done, no delegates should be awarded, or split them down the middle. No NY winner. Maybe the cheaters will get it and will quit cheating?

Finally the advice Hillary gets to smile, say thank you NY and move on is stunning. Her silence on voting rights is deafening, especially from someone who wants to lead the country. She should want this fixed. If she does, it goes a very long way to say so. This happens where her campaign HQ is? She is not bothered by any of this? Stunning! That's why it's bad advice, and this is why she has lost the election. This started in IA. I still want to see those tally books they closed. AZ? Obama's DOJ? I have little faith in anyone to fix this except Bernie Sanders. He knows about all of this! So he is still in the race, and Hillary may not have enough delegates for convention even with NY. But NY results should be tossed into the East River.

And remember when it comes to Bernie Sanders,
'winners don't quit, and quitters don't win!

April 18, 2016


• By Stephen Braun, Associated Press

Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:33am

Investors in Neptune Mining had asked Mezvinsky for help setting up a meeting with Clinton or other State Department officials, AP reports.

WASHINGTON — As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened in a request forwarded by her son-in-law on behalf of a deep-sea mining firm to meet with her or other State Department officials, according to the recently released Clinton emails.

One of the firm's investors had asked Clinton's son-in-law, Marc Mezvinsky, who is married to Chelsea Clinton, for help setting up such contacts, the emails show.

The lobbying effort on behalf of Neptune Minerals Inc. came while Hillary Clinton — now the leading Democratic presidential candidate — was advocating for an Obama administration push for Senate approval of a sweeping Law of the Sea Treaty. The pact would have aided U.S. mining companies scouring for minerals in international waters, but the Republican-dominated Senate blocked it.

Clinton ordered a senior State Department official in August 2012 to look into the request. Her action came three months after an investor in the mining firm emailed Mezvinsky, a partner in Eaglevale Partners LP, a New York hedge fund, asking for his help in setting up State Department contacts.

Clinton relayed a copy of the investor's email to Thomas Nides, then a deputy secretary of state and now vice chairman at Morgan Stanley, a major New York financial services firm. "Could you have someone follow up on this request, which was forwarded to me?" Clinton asked Nides. He replied: "I'll get on it."

more stink at the link!

This IS the worst we can do, is to put these two back into our White House!

April 18, 2016

Hillary group says Bernie campaign making enemies with attacks. Was Popegate not yesterday?

And auto bailout
on and on....bankers are great, fracking is OK. You bet you now have enemies, but it's not the Sanders campaign. It's Third Way you now have been sucked into, Hillary group. You post this stuff where no one can comment, after accusing others. Cowards!

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