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I've been kind of through with this for awhile

but this whole "Who was the real civil rights diva" of the 1960's BS (real answer: none of the above if Clinton and Sanders are choices) is stupid, is childish, and does little or nothing to convince me to support either candidate.

And, in fact, recycling all of this BS is turning me off even more to one candidate in particular.

EDIT: I am an undecided black voter. Given the date of my state's primary (March 15), I may not have all that much of a say in the process (at least as far as my vote is concerned) in any event.

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Spamming Bernie to minority social media may not work, says University of California researcher

I ran across this doing research on something else and just HAD to share this little story in light of the bright ideas of some Bernie-folk

TheDailyCalifornian: Underrepresented-minority voters brought to polls by face time, not Facebook, study says by Maxwell Jenkins-Goetz

Researchers studying how to best bring underrepresented-minority voters to the polls have found that new technologies such as texting and social media are not as effective as more personal forms of outreach.

A study published earlier this month, led by professor Lisa Garcia Bedolla of the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Education, examined the attempts of nonpartisan organizations across the state to mobilize underrepresented-minority voters in the 2014 elections through traditional methods — such as door-to-door canvassing and phone calls — as well as new technologies, such as text messages and Facebook ads.

According to the study, social media was ineffective at bringing underrepresented minorities and youth to the polls, while texting — which has seen some success mobilizing those who already vote with greater frequency — was inconsistent. Instead, personal contact on the phone or at the door remained the most effective way to turn out California underrepresented-minority voters.

What is suggested instead?

But for Bedolla, the most important lesson of this study is one that will not likely be forgotten as technology continues to evolve. As she noted in her work’s conclusion, “this study underscores the importance of culturally competent and contextually appropriate outreach” in attempting to mobilize voters.

Hillary needs to stop with her bul**hit about DOMA

Chris f'en Geidner went into the Clinton Library and looked at the receipts.

How The Clinton White House Handled DOMA In 1996, In Their Own Words by Chris Geidner

WASHINGTON — Over the past few years, some Democrats — including the Clintons — have offered a new explanation for why they supported the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

The threat of a federal constitutional amendment, these Democrats have argued, motivated them to support DOMA — a law that defined marriage for federal government purposes as between one man and one woman and said states could refuse to recognize same-sex couples’ marriages from others states.

“We were attempting at the time, in a very reactionary Congress,” Bill Clinton told an audience in 2009, “to head off an attempt to send a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage to the states.” Four former senators — including Tom Daschle, who made the claim in 2011 — raised the idea in a Supreme Court brief in 2013. Clinton later cited that brief when, in a Washington Post op-ed, he called for the law he signed to be struck down by the court. Hillary Clinton just last week called her husband’s decision to sign DOMA “a defensive action.”

There is no contemporaneous evidence, however, to support the claim that the Clinton White House considered a possible federal constitutional amendment to be a concern, based on a BuzzFeed News review of the thousands of documents released earlier this year by the Clinton Presidential Library about same-sex couples’ marriage rights and the Defense of Marriage Act. In the documents, which include correspondence from a wide array of White House and Justice Department officials, no one even hints that Bill Clinton’s thinking or actions regarding DOMA were animated by the threat of a federal constitutional amendment.


Read it ALL. Quality research from one of the finest LGBT journalists out there.

Mind you, I am an uncommitted voter; Sanders, O'Malley, and Clinton all have issues as far as I am concerned.

But bullshit like these (ahem!) equivocations and spin of Hillary Clinton's do her no favors with me.

Please ask me what my "best interests" are.

I'm going to slightly modify a diary that I published over at DK ~ two hours ago to this board for discussion...here is a link to the diary as it stands at DK right now.


Here is pretty much the same text retro-fitted to this board and things that have gone on over here at GDP.

There's a phrase that has explicitly and implicitly been making the rounds that irks the shit out of me.

It's the idea that if voter X votes for electoral candidate Y (at any level), that X is not voting "in their best interests."

This phrase is usually invoked when mention is made of poor and working-class whites that vote for Republican politicians and Republican policies.

Maybe voter X feels that the racist, homophobic, and women-hating policies of the GOP ARE in their best interests. You may not like that and I certainly don't like that but, for example, those 2008 Palin rallies and the highly charged rhetoric that GOP politicians and commentators spew on Fox News don't tell me anything different.

Maybe a prospective black voter's best interest is that the GOP nominee does not get elected President.

That doesn't mean that black voter Z thinks that the Clintons walk on water or even that Hillary Clinton will always enact policies that he or she likes or that Z has forgotten about the racism of Clinton's 2008 primary campaign.

It might mean that the most important factor for voter Z that the Democratic nominee is elected president in 2016.

Amid all the sturm und drang regarding Hillary Clinton's recent statements on the Defense of Marriage Act, the most odious implication of Secretary Clinton's statements is the idea that it was for the purpose of protecting the self-interests of LGBT's by saving the GOP (and lots of Democrats!) from writing discrimination into the Constitution.

With all due respect, Secretary Clinton, your husband's signing of the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996 may have been in your husband's best interests for reelection but I didn't feel then (or now) that it was in my best interests. Considering the lack of evidence that there was a movement to write LGB marriage discrimination into the federal constitution at that time, it seems a little deceitful to claim that your husband signed DOMA in the best interests of the LGBT community.

As a rule, we usually don't know what the "best interests" of another actually are. Maybe we should ask them instead of making assumptions.

While, yes, Secretary Clinton's comments w/r/t the Defense of Marriage Act was the latest irritant, some Bernie Sanders supporters (Senator Sanders himself...not so much) have used "low-information voters" in a pejorative manner that pretty seems to suggest the same thing (i.e. that "Stockholm Syndrome" thread or some comments directed at bravenak last night about how she wasn't acting in her own "best interests."

This isn't simply about Clinton's DOMA comments. it's about how we talk to one another and about one another.

Since socialism is all the rage nowadays...

I thought that I would pull out this quote by George Orwell.

Granted, Orwell didn't get everything right in this installment of his famed "As I Please" column, he did realize some things that many American socialists have not (and still do not) recognize.

The coloured worker cannot be blamed for feeling no solidarity with his white comrades. The gap between their standard of living and his own is so vast that is makes any differences which may exist in the West see negligible. In Asiatic eyes the European class struggle is a sham. The Socialist movement has never gained a real foothold in Asia or Africa or even among the American Negroes: it is everywhere side-tracked by nationalism and race-hatred, Hence the spectacle of thoughtful Negroes getting ready to vote for Dewey, and Indian Congressman preferring their own capitalism to the British Labour Party. There is no solution until the living standards of the thousand million people in this world who are not "white" can be forced up to the same level as our own. But as this might mean temporarily lowering our own standards the subject is systematically avoided by Left and Right alike.

As I Please, Tribune December 10, 1943

Now Orwell doesn't get everything right in that passage, but in discussing the race/class nexus he remains more right than not right.

Hypocrisy reigns at DU....yes, really...

There was a jury decision to hide this thread

Yet another jury decision to NOT hide this thread

Who's threatened by "identity politics" here?

I'm very confused, can someone help me out?

Are you Fu&&&NG KIDDING me?

CaliDemocrat's post was locked down and one of the most racist posts that I have seen on a "progressive" blog is still up?




By request...some comments from Bernie Sanders 2014 NPR Interview

Number 23 requested that I remind people of NPR's 2014 Interview with Bernie Sanders...I will only be commenting, briefly, on the bolded portions:

On why he says Democrats are losing white voters

Well, I am focusing on the fact that whether you’re white or black or Hispanic or Asian, if you are in the working class, you are struggling to keep your heads above water. You’re worried about your kids. What should the Democratic Party be talking about, Steve? What they should be talking about is a massive federal jobs program. There was once a time when our nation’s infrastructure — roads, bridges, water systems, rail — were the envy of the world. Today that’s no longer the case.

I would say if you go out on the street and you talk to people and say, “Which is the party of the American working class?” People would look to you like you were a little bit crazy, they wouldn’t know what you were talking about, and they certainly wouldn’t identify the Democrats.

On African-American support for Democrats

Well, here’s what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that’s kind of natural. You’ve got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you’ve got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help, but that’s not important.

You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, ‘how is your family doing?’ … In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.

What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. Personally, I think this is poorly stated. I get the gist of what Sanders attempted to say here. Inarticulately stated, though.

You’ve got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you’ve got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help, but that’s not important. Uh, yes that IS important...otherwise, the Dems would not be getting the share of the Latino vote that they have been getting. Remember, George W. Bush was able to get a decent share of the Latino vote but his own party rebelled against him when Mr. Bush attempted to handle the immigration bill.

You should not be basing your politics based on your color In an ideal world, I would agree with that sentiment but many white people that now vote republican, white people, do vote based on their their color and vote to uphold white supremacy as opposed to voting for their economic interests. White supporters are not supporting Donald Trump because he has favored single-payer health care in the past.

In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working class people of this country, take on the big money interests. To put it bluntly, many white working class people vote that way because of racism and Sanders was either clueless or simply didn't care about that well-documented fact. These white-working class people didn't seem to mind that many (if not most) blacks got a raw deal on The New Deal.

Now I agree with Mr. Sanders that the Democrats don't do enough to uphold the interests of the working class; hell, I don't think that the Democrats, by and large, do enough to uphold the causes of racial/gender justice.

But we really don't need to look very far to find the source of the the idea expressed in this abominable thread.

Sanders, himself, has articulated a version of this very idea.

And I have heard many white progressives lament the loss of the "working, hard working American, white American vote" while, at the same time, purposefully ignoring the black/brown elephant in that particular room..

The Religious Right has been quite blatant

about wanting my gay ass dead. (I trust that I don't need to provide links for this)

And some Bernie Sanders fanboy wants to join in coalition with them?


Now let me get back to celebrating a DOMINANT performance by my Michigan Wolverines today.

Thank you for your time.
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