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Is it game over for Republicans in 2016?

With less than one year to go, the polls for the Republican contenders look problematic:

No member of the pack emerges above a lackluster 10%, except:
• Carson, decreasing to 20%, and whose religious views will scare even sane believers
• Trump, up to 35%,
embroiled in countless lies http://www.salon.com/2015/11/25/wow_seth_meyers_just_stripped_down_donald_trumps_lies_and_islamophobia_so_clearly_even_your_racist_uncle_will_get_it_now/
and whose idea to create a Muslim database highlights his authoritarianism http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wants-to-create-a-muslim-database-2015-11?IR=T&r=US&IR=T

Bar an October surprise, and unless Detective Frank Drebin comes to the rescue,
is it game over for Republicans in 2016?

About 50% Muslims support Sharia, both in 'Muslim' countries and the West

I have made that claim and different people asked me for the sources.
(50% is obviously a rough gage, nearer to 2/3rds in Muslim countries, nearer to 1/3rd in the West)
So, here is the best info I gathered on the subject in this one thread. I welcome any better data.

Muslim-majority countries

Support for Sharia is well over 50% in Asia (Indian subcontinent and Malaysia/Indonesia), the Middle East ('Arab' countries, Iran not polled) and Africa (Maghreb and Sub-Saharan Africa)
It is below 50% in the mostly ex-Communist region roughly between Turkey and Russia (incl. Kemal's Turkey)

UK: 40% Muslims support Sharia (2006)

The question asked being: "How supportive, if at all, would you be of the official introduction of Shari'ah Law into British law for Muslims in Britain?"
Very supportive - 21%
Fairly supportive - 19%"

US: 33% Muslims support Sharia (2015)

The Center for Security Policy is Conservative, but the whole study report is presented
Question #8
"If Sharia conflicts with the US Constitution and the Bill of Rigts, which law should be considered supreme?"
The US Constitution - 43%
Sharia - 33%
dk+na - 23%"

Germany: 34 to 45% support for Sharia (2007) (academic study for Ministry of Interior)

Long study, no specific question on Sharia, some pointers:
45% of German Muslims agree "only Islam is able to solve the problems of our time" (p. 120, Table 12)
34 % of German Muslims agree violence is justified to disseminate Islam. (p. 319, Table 79)
23% young German Muslims are strongly antisemitic/anti-Christian (p.496.3rd paragraph)

France: 17% to 54% support for Sharia (2008) (French poll)

Question #2
"Islamic Law (Sharia) should be applied"
- fully, independently of the country of abode: 17%
- partly, adapted to the rules of the country of abode: 37%
- not at all in 'non-Muslim' countries: 38%

Yay! I got a new post in 'Religion' hidden

Posted a rant by a crackpot Orthodox blaming the islamist Paris attacks on the Mossad.

Someone took the pain to answer the obvious with due solemnity, i.e. that this lone religious youtube nutjob did not represent all of his religion of choosing (he's a converted Jew, apparently). That someone must have certainly thought he was telling me something I had never heard before, right?. I mean, it's not as if he had tried to lay the context for an alert, I'm sure. People are not that perverse.

I countered that it was just good comedy relief after Paris to observe how religion fosters religious mania and religious nutjobs (ISIS, this Orthodox Pope). Something that many mainstream believers in religion find hard to accept, I know.

After 10 posts back and forth about religious mania, the debate was brought to a halt by someone who thought it was the 'spiritual' thing to do to alert. Reasons for hiding were so literal (to shut off antisemitic propaganda) I will have to think about posting huge signs to spell the obvious. Something like quarter screen banners with subtle messages like: "The person posting DOES NOT SHARE the fringe views posted here, but does it for X, Y and Z reasons"

Thanks to the alerter anyway. I'm sure he alerted out of religious goodness
with a good heart, and the best of charitable intentions.

The irony: one of the Paris shooters was a regular at gay bars

So, let's see if I get it straight (accidental pun)

• shooter kills people to further the cause of IS while visiting gay bars.
• Meanwhile, IS thinks the right treatment of gay people is to throw them from tall buildings.

Someone isn't doing their maths right..

Partygoer: Abdeslam is said to have frequented gay bars in Brussels' trendy Saint Jacques quarter (file photo of Rue des Bouchers in Brussels)

Mohamed, who was initially detained in Belgium but later released, urged ‘intelligent’ Salah, 26, to hand himself into police, telling the RTBF network: ‘We’d rather see him in jail than in a cemetery.’

His comments come as it was claimed that Salah, Europe's most wanted man, was a regular in Brussels gay bars, smoked cannabis and spent most of his time playing on his PlayStation.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3329161/Fugitive-Paris-jihadi-went-gay-bars-took-drugs-hooked-PlayStation-police-continue-hunt-run-terrorist-lifestyle-drinking-flirting-men-taking-drugs-emerges.html#ixzz3sGuZll1B

Brussels 'Like a Warzone' After Explosives, Chemical Weapons Found

One tweet says "Metro closed, all football games cancelled and city center looks like military base.
#Brussels 2015 #Bruxelles 7:13 PM - 21 Nov 2015

"It Looks Like A Warzone" - Army, APCs, Roadblocks Deployed In Brussels After Explosives, Chemical Weapons Found
by Tyler Durden on 11/21/2015 18:19 -0500

In the aftermath of last night's warning of an "imminent" terror threat in Brussels when OCAM Crisis Center and the government raised the country's terror alert to the highest level, today the escalation continues and the Belgian capital looks like not only a ghost town but something out of a Call of Duty warzone after authorities deployed special forces, and APCs, shut the metro, locked down shopping centers, closed sporting events, and warned the public to avoid crowds, train stations, airports and commercial districts because of a "serious and imminent" threat of an attack.(..)

The reason for the dramatic escalation is that chemicals and explosives were among the items found in the during a police raid on Vandepeerboom Street area in the immigrant neighborhood of Molenbeek, a rundown area where Paris attacker Abdelhamid Abaaoud was suspected of operating a terrorist cell.

Israel: Jennifer Lawrence edited out for ultraorthodoxs (from GD)

Reposting from General Discussion, but it's too funny for the Religion forum to miss out

Posters for The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2 have reportedly been censored in two Jewish cities, Jerusalem and Bnei Brak, with star Jennifer Lawrence removed to leave only the flaming “mockingjay” background.

Examples of the Lawrence-free poster, seen below, have been shared by the Israeli newspaper Ynet and on Twitter.
To outsiders, the censorship seems bizarre: Lawrence is, after all, the star of the film, and one of Hollywood’s most bankable actresses

But the decision was apparently made due to concerns that posters featuring the actress would be vandalised by Orthodox Jewish groups.

“Unfortunately we are subject to unofficial coercion that forces us to be more careful,” Liron Suissa, the vice president of Nur Star Media (the film’s Israeli PR company) told Ynet (via Haaretz). “We have had endless vandalisation and clients prefer not to take the chance.(..)

In Bnei Brak – a almost wholly Haredi city , governed by Haredi leaders – images of women are rarely seen in public spaces.

Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It

By KAMEL DAOUD - NOV. 20, 2015

Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.

Wahhabism, a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century, hopes to restore a fantasized caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina. Born in massacre and blood, it manifests itself in a surreal relationship with women, a prohibition against non-Muslims treading on sacred territory, and ferocious religious laws. That translates into an obsessive hatred of imagery and representation and therefore art, but also of the body, nakedness and freedom. Saudi Arabia is a Daesh that has made it.

The West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: It salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture. The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns. (...)


Are you smarter than an atheist? A religious quiz

Test yourself on religion:


(Only two questions halfway tricky)

Bill Maher on Islam and refugees. Spot on.

Bill Maher supports moderate Muslims, but stresses that Sharia Law -supported by many Muslims- is at odds with liberal democracy.

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