CHUCK TODD:

--He (President Obama) said he was going to govern this way. I remember the whole idea of Obama-- they called it Organizing for America (which, IIRC was virtually immediately abandoned/dismantled) -- that they were going to create a legislative that when they were blocked (Chuck??? Huh?????? Problem with transcript?), what you're describing, it didn't happen (no, it certainly didn't).

BERNIE SANDERS:

Okay. You're right, it didn't happen. And I think what ended up happening is the president, because he happens to be a very decent guy (yes, I have always said I'd like to hug his neck, a Southern expression, I guess, since I've always heard it, and I really mean it - personally, I adore the man), actually thought that he could sit down with the Republican leadership and work out some fair compromises. (Yep, and I've always said the man either never bought a car, or if he did he got taken, or something else is going on beneath the surface. I really don't see any other options.) The truth is, number one, they never had any intention to compromise. (Yes, even I could see that.) But number two, more importantly, you have to be prepared to mobilize people to take on these big money interests. (EXACTLY!!!!!!)

But you are right. I think we can do it. And I think that's what the bully pulpit is about. (Which has not been used nearly enough, at least in the way I wish it would be.) And that's what organizing effort's about. And that's what this campaign is about. And we're beginning to do that, Chuck. Every day I read in the paper things that are happening someplace in this country, whether there's spontaneous outbursts of support for us. (Huh?? Another transcript problem?) And that is what we have to mobilize. The bottom line is, unless turnout becomes much higher, we lose. Unless people are organized and politically conscious in a way that does not exist today, we are not going to transform America the way we have to. (EXACTLY!!!!!)