Immature high horse. You sound so old.

I just laid out the world as seen from my view down here in the gutter and my telling you that the vicious of the attacks against the president is not winning voters to our side. It is not helping to engage the youth or women or minorities. You know, the people who make up the bulk of our party.
Those low minded liberals who try to accomplish what they can and move us toward a more perfect union are not the ones who will receive the wrath of the future voters.
And talking down to younger voters and blaming my contemporaries for not fixing the problems caused during YOUR time, during the reagan revolution is silly and disingenuous.

We had two choices for president and we choses the best candidate both times by electing Barack Obama, i am Proud of my choice and i would fill in that bubble for him over McCain or Romney any day. There were no other candidates that appealed to a majority of voters.

If you have problems with the amount of power corporations have you need to look to the legislature and the supreme courts. Blaming everything that has gone wrong in this nation on one man majes you all sound....... Like republicans.

After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority.

I think it will take much less time than the estimates project. I have two children, he has four, i expect to have two more and that will still mean i will have the least amount of children for a Lady in my family. My grandmother had ten. Most of my friends have several already and are continuing to procreate. Many of my white friends are in mixed marriages and have several children who identify as asian or black or hispanic not white. Minorities are not cozy with wall street for the most part, and women especially single one are less likely to vote Republican. So in twenty years we will not have 2 Parties run by Old white Dudes who service the rich. We will be voting ourselves a right good part of their money, praise R'hllor.

You got to realize that power is shifting towards a more liberal society and that it is the old white men who are standing in the way of progress, passing shit laws and fighting against womens rights. The kids growing up see their congressmen screeching about illegals, urban youths, thugs, wetbacks and more. They will not be voting for Republicans. And Democrats better get our shit together and start bringing in the next generation quickly before Republicans decide to get smart, steal our platform, and out voters. Because sorry to tell you, the youth is not interested in the NSA all day everyday, they post every private thought they have on Tumblr, facebook, etc.

They will kill wall street when they get their time. I'll be right here helping them find the means. And we need their help to do it because the old party bosses still control the legislature, for now.
The only way to get the votes is to get the voters engaged. And horror stories about how much you hate Obama is not a good lure when you are fishing in a pond of Obama supporters, and the youth , women, lgbt's, and minorities are supporters of this President. You are driving them away and losing us votes.

I believe i read last night that the reason some can't give him any credit is because.......

Anti Obama posts get more recs. I believe thats was the jist of it.
My best explanation for the lack of support he receives here as opposed to the broad support he receives from the party as a whole is because the make up/demographics of DU is not representative of the party's demographics nationally. The base of the party is women, Blacks, Asians and Latinos/Hispanics along with LGBT and young people. The make up of DU skews heavily older, whiter, and more male than the Democratic party and has a heavy streak of Libertarianism. We have been seeing a bit of a xenophobic attitude lately, a coldness towards AA's, some homophobia and a nice tasty dash of sexism to round out the course. And those posts can go to jury and stand.
Why would anyone who isn't already here who is of the base as i described above want to join and engage with us just to be called a Obamabot or a reverse racist or a screeching feminist or told to speak english or go away by democrats?
Our democratic board has so much in common with republican boards i like to read and compare us to them and sometimes i LOL at the similarities between their posters and ours.
I have read too many times here that we need to try to reach out to... Drumroll please...... WHITE MEN! Not our base, and our voters, but we need to reach out to old white males and not say stuff that might make them anxious. Why? Because the board is full of them and some of them think that the nation is not paying attention to their problems.


That's my tldr explanation of the sickness that we suffer from.

I cannot believe you went there.

Fine, i'll post mine too.

81. Another nostalgic moment.

I hate nostalgic moments. I imagine myself as i would be living in their nostalgic 1960's fantasy world; scrubbing floors as a maid housekeeper or as an entertainer in an all black club, getting that back alley abortion and dying on the step of an all white hospital from blood loss and lack of medical attention since they just didn't treat colored at the white hospital. Ah, the delights of those happy golden years!

Never a good word uttered about that man without a qualification and a gripe.

That's scary as hell for this black woman who has lived her life with qualifiers. I just got the i can't believe she's that smart, she probably cheated type nonsense. And the having to me twice as good to get the same praise as the melanin challenged peers near me. Having my good qualities overlooked and minimized and my bad ones magnified. The part that pissed me off the most was that the people doing it never admitted to doing it, or even noticed that it was happening. The expectation level you have for him is limitless, he is not limitless.

"One of my life rules is that nothing is good or bad unless compared to something else."
Hannah Reinnier, Palindrome 656

When i look at the president i compare him not to my expectations, but to the other option we actually had. You should try that. It fucking works so damn good and helps me reality test.
When i see an issue and analyze his decisions i ponder what Rmoney would have done in his place and try to decide which is the better option. There is no black and white in this nation of idealists built on the misery of others. Our whole history is grey.

Wont happen.

It's just that all of the Obama super criticizers use the same language, similar talking points, jokes about his supporters and go after him with such zeal that it looks bad.
I mean most democrats support the president, but if one were to only have DU as a frame of reference one would think he were the worst president ever.
It always amazes me when i log on after slumming it around the net and reading righter leaning sites, how many anti Obama posts are published here and how many recs they get. Combine that with the lack of Colored people, and the shockingly negative attitudes towards us from some posters, the racist posts that make it through the jury and the support the posters receive and you have an ugly picture. That is the problem. We look like them on the surface.

People here spew anger and criticisms towards him, never appreciate his efforts, are nasty to colored people and love libertarian policies. Racism is alive and well in the democratic party and it shows through and there is quite a bit of it here. Why do you think so many black posters have quit DU by writing GBCW posts and thats many more have just given up in disgust? I know why. I see it all the time here.

I think you will find your answer in my post if you look hard enough. When a person starts sounding like a racist, they start getting treated like one. It's not you in particular necessarily just the whole vibe of this place.

For a site dedicated to the Democratic party this place is low on posters that make up much of the base of the party; minorities and women should be here in force. But they are not, this place is not very welcoming to minorities.
As a black woman it is very painful to watch my own party trash the first president i have ever voted for on a daily bases, getting to the point where personal insults with foul language written about him here gets a round of applause and many recs. I feel like the party members here have thrown him under the bus and me right along with him if i support him. Call me an Obamabot or a bogger if you will. I am used to being ridden roughshod over by society, all i ask is that you all give him credit when he does something good. Bu that does not happen. It majes me wonder if that is the first and last president i will vote for, i am nearly at the point where i don't care anymore. Fine trash him daily and then when the next election comes up and your candidate is running, i wont be excited for you. It's whatever now.

Yes, but power corrupts.

And not everyone is as enlightened as you or i. Many still judge us based solely on skin color. You even see it here with white liberals saying thing about black people like, the fathers 'leave' their children, the women have too many babies, the men don' pay child support and choose to go to jail instead. Many sweeping generalizations are made about blacks even by enlightened liberals. We have members who post black crime statistics on here to prove blacks are more likely to be criminals. If these enlightened liberals of our time are dishing out racist doctrine today, i have no idea what people may do in the future. This stuff is not hidden in peoples thoughts, they write it down and send it out into the world, never to be forgotten are the attitudes towards us today.
Maybe one day there will be enough people that have been otherized to completely level the playing field.
By the time i die the majority will be on the way to becoming a minority and once that happens their supremacy will end. They will have to scrape and scrap with the rest of us while having historically been on the side of power, once power shifts they will stop being the standard , and the winner's history they have written will not be what is taught. Manifest destiny will become the genocide of the first nations, states rights will become the rape of africa, the bill of rights will be the bill of white mens rights. They will not see America in that glorious way it was seen in the past. The pilgrims fleeing religious persecution will be seen as illegal immigrant murdering savages, and tracing your lineage back to the mayflower wont get you a hive five anymore, maybe a dirty look.
That's what i mean. Their color will no longer be something to be proud of, or lord over others, they will become just like us. But we are used to being uncomfortable in our skin, so i feel sorry for them. And the fighting tooth and nail to hold on to power and to lock us up, and investigate us and otherize everyone will be remembered in history. Every kid they slam up against a wall and search today will be there accusing, their children will hear the stories and read the history and will know. And they will know that the majority did not help, not notice, and did not care. They will read these peoples words blaming us for the things that society does to us and calling us names and slurs. I and my husband teach our kids to be kind, but what about the kids whose fathers are in jail for life for a non violent crime? Who teaches them not to seek revenge? Those kids whose dad is in jail and mom works two jobs, who teaches them not to be bitter? The kids that are called thugs and who get services cut just because they are 'urban'? What will they do when the power shifts, be magnanimous or be selfish like the majority is today? Will they vote to push others down for their own benefit like today's republican party or just say that was the past like we have been told so many times? I ponder these things all the time because i think that there will be a come to Jesus moment for the majority in about 30 years, when i get old and grey. And i don't think it will be pretty.