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John McCain Receives The Most Lavish NRA Donations - addicting info dot org - well, gollleee!

so i went to look up this bob barr 'fellow' (he's apparently a whipped-cream licker ), and wiki seems to say he was ON THE BOARD of the NRA..at the SAME TIME he was in the House. period.


footnotes (6,7) and footnote 84 under Political Associations, so 2001-2003...um...

do i need to get my eyes checked?

but that's just an aside.

to wit!

from link below:

there appears to be one letter of the alphabet slightly over-represented in the above chart...

15 (i think) states. only 2 swing states (right?)


about 1/2 way down-

"More from from McCain’s 2008 Senate campaign website:

John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry. McCain says, “Neither justice nor domestic peace are served by holding the innocent responsible for the acts of the criminal.”

Translation: McCain wasn’t even trying to hide that he is for protecting gun manufacturers, not gun-owning individuals, here."

***skip 1 ¶

"Here’s a good example of McCain sucking up to Big Gun (Todd S. Purdum quotes McCain in an article for The New York Times, Aug 17, 1999):

If you want to take every gun in and dump it in the ocean, I’ll still take you to a Web site where it teaches children how to build a pipe bomb. And I’ll take you to a Web site where the worst kind of hate language that is terribly offensive to all of us exists. I can take you to a video game being sold to our children where the object of the game is to kill police. I understand the importance of weapons, but to define that as being the major cause [of youth violence], there’s a whole lot of causes.

Translation: “Why don’t we ban cars / knives / bombs / blunt objects, because they can hurt or kill people, too,” “Free speech that includes hateful things we don’t like is to blame, not guns” and “Gun violence is due to pop culture / scary web sites / video games / TV / movies / society / comic books / horror novels / music / musicians / Goths / single moms — not guns”: a trifecta!"

near the end-

"McCain has also voted for allowing weapons in checked baggage on Amtrak trains, against background checks at gun shows, for loosening license & background checks at gun shows, for maintaining current gun sale laws (in other words, not requiring guns be sold with mandatory trigger locks), against another gun registration / trigger lock law specifically restricted to Washington, D.C., and for allowing firearms in National Parks.

If we are going to have serious discussions about gun violence in this country, we need to separate the interests of gun manufacturers (the group the NRA really supports) from responsible gun owners, we need to get serious about sensible restrictions on the types of weaponry and ammunition civilians are allowed to buy, own, and use, and hold politicians like John McCain accountable for his voting record–good and bad–on gun control, gun registration, gun show background checks, waiting periods, “concealed carry” / transport of weapons and other ammunition-, body armor- and gun-related legislation."

last line - "We can do better than this."
Posted by farminator3000 | Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:07 PM (17 replies)


very cool, bill. what are your interests? besides the truth? i'm a farmer.
Posted by farminator3000 | Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:19 PM (1 replies)

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.calling all gun trolls!

who want to argue with the ACTUAL WORDS OF THE SUPREME COURT!!!!

the trap is sprung, good luck. remember SCALIA wrote this, not me

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment , nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.26"

so what were you saying about your guns again?
Posted by farminator3000 | Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:47 AM (30 replies)

Please sign this petition on the White House site to sensibly reform gun laws, and pass it around.


so if this gets 25,000 signatures in a month, they have to discuss it at a white house policy meeting and decide who replies to it.

since article 2,sec 3 means obama, maybe he'll actually say something..

worth a try. thats the whole thing below.

we petition the obama administration to:
Increase the Discussion, Regulation and Taxation of assault weapons by using Article 2,Section 3 of the Constitution

to convene a Special Commission of 51 Senators to create legislation to:

1. collect a 25% tax on all new gun purchases, used for improving our nation's mental health screening and care.

2. change firearm laws to be similar to automobile laws, requiring titles, training, testing, insurance, and inspection for guns, and declare guns with clips holding 7 or more bullets to be assault style.

3. create an internet forum for citizens to participate in a rational discussion of the epidemic of gun violence, and begin to reduce the influence of pro-gun lobbies.

While gun ownership is a right, the word right means both "a just claim or title" and "adherence to moral and legal principles and authority." There are more guns than cars in America, and the amount of laws should reflect that.
Created: Dec 17, 2012
Issues: Consumer Protections, Firearms, Health Care
Posted by farminator3000 | Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:47 AM (33 replies)
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