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A president Scott Walker is something to be feared.

The guy has won elections and has wreaked havoc on labor, esp. -- if I recall correctly.

But really, I can't think of ANY Dem who couldn't beat him in a Federal election.

I think 2016 should go to the Dems for the taking, it's so obvious.

So it's a question of where Dems hearts are.

Actually, Rove *defined* a so-called "reality based community",

as some kind of reactionary body.

I don't agree with Rove's definition of "reality", and I think his phrase "reality based community", which he ties to the left, is nonsense.

Apparently you're unable to question Rove's political definitions.

Yes, Rove did indeed use the mindf*ing phrase.

It's interesting that there are people posting to DU who play with it, as in this case a "conservative democrat", whatever that might mean beyond an opposition to liberal and progressive movements in the Democratic party. And I guess you play with it too.

What exactly did Rove say? I'm unsure and I'm not going to look it up, I'll paraphrase from memory that he said something in an awful and sneering attack, that his camp had control of "reality" because it controlled events, that by the time the liberal/progressive/left figured out what reality was, Rove and his power base had already changed it and had moved on.

Something like that, right?

But what does that make of the phrase "reality based community", when cited as a proud attainment by a self-described "conservative Dem", who disassociates from and attacks the liberal/progressive/left factions within the Dem party?

Demonstrations work but we've got to follow up on them

and I remember that the largest world wide demonstrations in history were against the Iraq war.

The war that happened anyway.

The fuckers.

I know.

eta: the honest truth is, both Hillary and the Republicans are afraid of Bernie Sanders.

Here's the point that you miss.

The folk who post at DU who condemn radical right-wing Christians aren't condemning Christianity.
They aren't wanting with all their hearts to go to war against Christianity.
In these discussions, that difference isn't being made w.r.t. Islam.

Get it yet?

What is meant by "the left"?

Sarah Haider wouldn't get the treatment that she complains about from me.
I consider myself to be to the "left", politically.

I can't think of anyone I'd consider to be to the "left" who would support and promote a religious state, whatever religion, whatever ethnicity the religion might be mostly associated with. In fact I categorically deny the association.

The complaints she makes, that individuals have called her "an Uncle Tom", "a House Arab" and so on, for speaking out against religious fundamentalism, don't strike me as being definitive of any "left" that I know of.

I just don't get it.

I hear her making legitimate arguments that certain individuals crossed lines, in their rhetoric, their apologetics, and there's an implicit demand that those individuals either defend themselves, or accept that she is right and apologize. But those are all individual disputes with individual writers, bloggers, opinion mavens, and I'm not convinced that it's correct to characterize them and their arguments as being somehow decidedly "leftist" according as some global definition.

In fact I don't think a global definition, where some avatar eg Max Blumenthal or whoever can exemplify "the left", could possibly be correct.

Perhaps those individuals are considered to be "left" on certain topics, where an argument can be made.
But there's no attempt to make an argument that these people are "left" with respect these complaints, terms like "left" are just put out there as being somehow fact.

I'm only 1/4 way into her amazingly powerful talk.
She's a powerful speaker and thinker, and I recommend people click the link and listen.

I would say that the Liberals under Pearson and Trudeau, esp., were center-left.

If such a scale makes any sense at all.

A debate about that would have to start by giving at least *some* definition of what is meant by "center". Then the debate would examine who these power brokers were, who their associates were, and what they did in Canadian politics - how it played out in the context of their times.

Here's a problem that I have in defining "center":

One difference between Liberals and Conservatives that I can "feel in my bones" and that is unquantifiable, is that Pearson, Trudeau and Chretien, are much better representatives of what I *want it to be*, to be a Canadian patriot, than any Conservative that I can think of - going back in my reminiscing. I still consider them (these liberal leaders) to be role models. How can that kind of unquantifiable and totally personal *feeling* be measured on a scale of left/right?

Names like "Progressive Conservative" are no more than names.
In BC, the discredited and essentially disbanded "Social Credit" movement bought out the "Liberal" name, so in large part except moved on by time and expedience it's the same thing, the same political party, and it gets pretty fucking confusing if a person imagines the name has some special meaning, beyond the fact that it denotes a political party controlled by a certain power group.

"Blackwater" "Academi" "Xe Sevices LLC" "Constellis Holdings" all denote the same general thing, but if we want to know what the thing is we don't find an answer by examining the various names.

The headline is way nice.

Geller's anti-muslim crusade is up there with the KKK.

Better yet, the US could demilitarize it's acting and thinking.

*ALL* countries have cops and vets, police and military. It's a necessity.
These are, or ought to be, honourable jobs.

In both cases honour dictates that the most strict regulation and second sight is also a necessity, in any viable civilization. That's just the way it is.

The USA has gone OTT in this regard. The USA cannot be stopped from without - it spends more on military than the rest of the world combined. You might be the most badass m-f-er in the universe, in your support for the police and the military, but you should have some sense of proportion w.r.t. how the police and military deal with the world.
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