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Survey on RKBA and gun control

I'm doing this as a favor for someone doing research. I hope it doesn't break any DU rules...
It takes about 15 minutes, and I found it pretty interesting. Challenging too.
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Here's a comprehensive survey that may be of interest to members of this forum:

[link:https://missouri.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_ewYYLFRM9OJF349|

It needs respondents from both gun-rights and gun-control advocates.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:54 PM (18 replies)

Everybody Knows - the 2017 Democratic Fight Song

Right wing talking heads say we're dead, apathetic, floundering, indifferent, a lost cause, forlorn hope, extinct.
Well we're dormant true, but really none of the above; no sense in spitting in the wind, let trumpism run its course, we'll resurrect next year, as the political pendulum swings high.

Leonard Cohen, Montreal Canadian died last year, more known for songs Hallelujah & Suzanne (takes you down to a place by the river) ie Judy Collins, wrote the lyrics for the current democrat 'fight' song for this year - a good song sung, worth a listen:

Everybody Knows
Leonard Cohen

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed {antiquated electoral college}
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich

That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long-stem rose
Everybody knows

Posted by jimmy the one | Sat Aug 12, 2017, 05:55 PM (3 replies)

Nearly 80 million strong

Nope, not about gun owners who personally own a firearm. Coincidentally with the estimate of personal gun ownership, 80 million is an approximate number of americans who believe (or believed 9 yrs ago 2008) that the 2nd amendment pertained to a militia centric right, not solely an individual rkba = right to keep bear arms.
Sure, most americans today believe it's an individual rkba, but they've been brainwashed a lot by rightwing gun lobby propaganda over the years, or influenced by their parents, or perhaps in some younger macho stage of life.

Approx 322 million americans today,
Age 18 and over 247,773,709 = 77% total population
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/99-total-population-by-child-and-adult#detailed/1/any/false/573,869,36,868,867/39,40,41/416,417

Of the adult population, 31% x ~250 million = 75 million. Tho the polls below surveyed only adults, I think we could include adolescents knowledgeable on history, who would agree on first sight with a militia interpretation. Indeed, I was a child maybe 8 when I saw the 2ndA the first time & immediately thought it had to do with the militia, not granting individual rights to guns. So with the adolescent population it's about 80 million, STRONG.
(Ha, cannot apply adolescents to law abiding gun owner figures, can they?)

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. June 4-5, 2008. N=1,035 adults nationwide. MoE 3. "Part of the debate about gun ownership hinges on how we interpret the U.S. constitution. The exact words of the constitution are as follows: 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.'
Do you think these words guarantee each person the right to own a gun, or do they protect the right of citizens to form a militia without implying that each individual has the right to own a gun?"


Right of Each PersonTo Own a Gun .... Right of Citizens to Form a Militia Unsure
6/4-5/08 .. 67........................................ 30........................... 4
12/6-9/07.. 65......................................... 31....................... 5


CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Dec. 6-9, 2007. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE 3.
"Part of the debate about gun ownership hinges on how we interpret the U.S. constitution. The exact words of the constitution are as follows: 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.'
Do you think these words guarantee each person the right to own a gun, or do they protect the right of citizens to form a militia without implying that each individual has the right to own a gun?"


Right of Each Person To Own a Gun .... Right of Citizens to Form a Militia
ALL adults... 65 ........31
Men........... 72 ........26
Women .......58 ........35
Urban......... 50 ........42
Suburban.... 64 ........32
Rural ..........73 ........23
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns2.htm

There are other polls circa 2008 which resulted in only 20% for a well regulated millitia, but the poll wording was so awful that it only reflected modern thought on whether the national gds could own guns, & not people.

gallup, boo on wording: Do you believe the Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution guarantees the rights of Americans to own guns, or do you believe it only guarantees members of state militias such as National Guard units the right to own guns?" --- barf, national guards weren't even in existence in 1791.

Then CNN in 2009 had a post 2008 heller poll, so misleading it reveals little tho backs up at 21% gallup's poor wording: It was only intended to preserve the existence of citizen-militias, and does not give individual Americans the right to keep and bear arms for their own defense."

Even at 20%, that's about 50 million. The more educated people get about the 2ndA, the more apt they are to realize it pertained to primarily the militia, while certainly not disallowing gun ownership.
Posted by jimmy the one | Tue Apr 25, 2017, 02:58 PM (0 replies)
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