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Here's a post from Kpete, from March 2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027654496

It was China, at least at that time.


And by the way, before he switched hat production to a company called 'cali-fame', (which uses Hispanic labor and has been caught lying in it's claims that it uses American parts, fabric and materials,) he used another company, Ace Specialties:

"Mr. Trump spent $114,000 to stage an enormous rally in September in Dallas, even though Texas does not hold its primary until March. He spent about $2 million on hats, T-shirts and other merchandise, roughly half of it going to a Louisiana-based company, Ace Specialties, owned by a board member of Mr. Trump’s son’s charitable foundation. During the last half of 2015, Mr. Trump’s campaign spent more on renting stages and audiovisual equipment ($1.4 million) than on voter lists, field offices and collecting signatures to get onto ballots ($1.2 million.)"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/us/politics/donald-trumps-campaign-billed-as-self-funded-risks-little-of-his-fortune.html#

The title is "Provocateur Donald Trump Speaks At Hate Crime Site".

Maddow's coverage is from 3 months ago, during the NY primary. I can't get a link from MSNBC, though you might be able to, but here's a yahoo one.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0LEVxprnpxXNgQAIMNXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LXMEZ3ByaWQDeEpHU004TXdRVXFfR2M5ckVNM2ZDQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMQRwcXN0cgNtYWRkb3cgcmVhZ2FuIHBoaWxhZGVscGhpYSBtBHBxc3RybAMyOARxc3RybAM0NARxdWVyeQNtYWRkb3clMjByZWFnYW4lMjBwaGlsYWRlbHBoaWElMjBtaXNzaXNzaXBwaQR0X3N0bXADMTQ2OTg4MTk4OQ--?p=maddow+reagan+philadelphia+mississippi&fr2=sa-gp-search&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1

It's a 20 min video, up to about min 11:45, it talks about Raygun dog-whistling in MS. The second half talks about the incidents in Patchogue, Suffolk County, Long Island.

Summary is that 4 days after Obama was elected on 11/4, a bunch of white teens went 'wilding', looking for Hispanic victims, attacked 4 people in 3 separate attacks, and wound up killing Marcello Lucero. The Daily News called them the "Long Island Lynch Mob". The Hispanic population there said that this was just one incident in years of unprovoked racist attacks, which the Suffolk County police did nothing about. In '09, the Justice Dept entered into an oversight agreement with the Suffolk County police, forcing them to investigate and prevent hate crime attacks.

dRumpf campaigned in the NY primary there, on the same street where Lucero was killed, 2 1/2 blocks away, and was introduced by Carl Palladino whipping up the crowd to chant about building the wall to keep Mexicans out.

I just came across Milt Rosenberg, while looking at some info on Koch birchers.

He was involved with Rick Santelli's 'spur of the moment' tea-party launch:

"Within hours of Santelli’s rant, a website called ChicagoTeaParty.com sprang to life. Essentially inactive until that day, it now featured a YouTube video of Santelli’s “tea party” rant and billed itself as the official home of the Chicago Tea Party. The domain was registered in August, 2008 by Zack Christenson, a dweeby Twitter Republican and producer for a popular Chicago rightwing radio host Milt Rosenberg—a familiar name to Obama campaign people. Last August, Rosenberg, who looks like Martin Short’s Irving Cohen character, caused an outcry when he interviewed Stanley Kurtz, the conservative writer who first “exposed” a personal link between Obama and former Weather Undergound leader Bill Ayers. As a result of Rosenberg’s radio interview, the Ayers story was given a major push through the Republican media echo chamber, culminating in Sarah Palin’s accusation that Obama was “palling around with terrorists.” That Rosenberg’s producer owns the “chicagoteaparty.com” site is already weird—but what’s even stranger is that he first bought the domain last August, right around the time of Rosenburg’s launch of the “Obama is a terrorist” campaign. It’s as if they held this “Chicago tea party” campaign in reserve, like a sleeper-site. Which is exactly what it was."

http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/all/1/

And none of his nitwit doublethinking followers even blinks

at his obvious, blatant lying.

The act of open lying is itself nazi propaganda or psy warfare, as much as the actual misinfo that the lies attempt to convey are. Because normal people then have to argue about whether the open lie is a lie with his surrogates, while everyone knows it's a lie, and the pro-dRumpf people are laughing up their sleeves while arguing with their opponents in the reality based world.

It's like some bad little 7 year old school yard bully taking a smaller kids hand and hitting the smaller kid with his own hand, while saying 'stop hitting yourself!' If the kid says 'I'm not hitting myself, you're hitting me', that makes the bully feel like they're winning bigger. That's the level of swinish moron we're dealing with, when we're dealing with dRumpf teabag repugs.

Just got this bit of info from factchecking dRumpf's speech:

"Darrel Stephens, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association, told us in an email that it was “too soon to talk about trends.” Stephens said there had been “a spike in the past year in some large cities (particularly in five or six) — something we should be concerned about to be sure but not a trend or even close to 20 years ago.”

...

We took a longer view of what has happened in some major cities, compiling the FBI city-specific data, which comes from voluntary reports from police departments, available through 2012, and 2015 numbers reported by police departments to the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association. Every city shows a big drop in the number of murders since the 1990s, and mixed movement from 2012 to 2015.





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Excerpt ends.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lies_us_57923ca1e4b00c9876cf2cb0

So Chicago, for example, is on track to hit a murder level it experienced under W bush, a couple hundred less murders than occurred during the high point it reached under Raygun/Poppy. After decades of decline, including 6 years of decline under President Obama. While the head of the Major City Chiefs association says a spike isn't a trend. Of course, the repugs weren't concerned about the murder rate when they were in power, and could do something about it.

He's mastering the art of going in polar opposite directions at the same time.

While his spokeswoman (Katrina Pierson) uses this 'amplification' about dRumpf's immigration policy to claim that he was never about banning all moslems, in order to lower the number of people who view dRumpf negatively, he's able to simultaneously claim that he's doubling down on his policy and increasing it, pointing to the exact same campaign immigration policy amplification or correction, and his followers find it credible.

He will try to do any nazi thing possible, if he gets in, so he does want to double down. But he simultaneously wants credit for being more moderate than the 'lyin' media says. Followers get to hear all the nazi they want, and independents get to hear that he's not the terrible nazi boogeyman, with the exact same policy speech.

That's what I read, also. It was how they attacked the reporter (Julia Ioffe, GQ)

who did a Melania dRumpf story that dRumpf didn't like. So they mobilized a ton of nazi post-ers to get her

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/339709/journalist-flooded-with-neo-nazi-hate-after-writing-melania-trump-profile/

They used the nazi (((echo))), now some anti-right twitter users are self-tagging with it.

"Known as the “echo,” the symbol consists of three parentheses around a Jewish person’s name, for example, (((Efrem))). According to Mic, the symbol was first introduced in 2014 by a right-wing website The Right Stuff in their podcast called The Daily Shoah, and serves as a bat signal of sorts. Or as a neo-Nazi said to Goldberg, “It’s closed captioning for the Jew blind.”

A Google Chrome browser plugin, known as the “Coincidence Detector,” facilitates the search by automatically placing an echo on Jewish-sounding names and organizations and replacing the word Israel as users browse the web. For example, Israel appears as (((Our Greatest Ally))), and every (((Cohen)))), (((Katz))) and (((Weinberg))) were also sandwiched in parentheses."


http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.722964


Mel and l'il donnie of course refused to condemn their nazi 'fans', saying that Ioffe is to blame, because her words 'provoked' the nazis.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/340872/melania-trump-jewish-journalist-provoked-neo-nazi-death-threats/

Of course, none of the dRumpfenfuhrer's words on the campaign provoked any of the violence his fans have been engaging in.

I was supporting a CWA rally/picket during the last Verizon strike.

The CWAs and their associated IBEWs (not my local) were wearing red shirts, collar instead of Ts and Verizon management sent this big beefy guy wearing a red collar shirt into the crowd. Due to his camoflage I didn't know he wasn't some rank and filer at first, then he started talking to me, and he was pushing right wing crap on every issue we discussed. Finally we got around to Israel and he started badmouthing the country. I already knew where he was coming from by then, but I tested my theory out by saying 'You mean you're mad about what's happening to the Palestinians', which momentarily confused him, but he then said he didn't give a s**t about them. He just hated Israel. He hated Jews. He was a bircher, and was working for management to threaten the unions. So I just said to him 'Oh, you're anti-semitic. Well, this is America, you're free to talk about your beliefs if you want.' He started gibbering, gesticulating and yelling, not saying that he was upset about being called anti semitic, or saying he wasn't against Jewish people,just yelling that it WAS his right to say what he wanted. He wandered off yelling into the demonstrators, just trying to sew some fear into the union people, who had quite a large number of physically fit rank and filers among them, and weren't afraid at all. I just went back to facing the traffic with my sign, helping chant when the CWAs started chanting, cheering when pro-union people gave frequent horn honks of support.

Too bad for him that his corporate masters just recently lost their fight.

I think you can like Israel, Palestinians, and unions. None of them are mutually exclusive.

I didn't claim to speak FOR J street and NIF, but I get and study their take on the issues regularly

It would be a mistake for you to claim that I mischaracterized their position on BDS. And I back the 2 State solution, like they do. How to get there is the issue, but no solution will come from the current hard right junta. I'd like to see Ben-Ami, Beinert, Blumenthal, and Krugman have a free-wheeling forum on Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace, BDS, and the 2 State solution. (Not trying to be sexist in my choice of those 4 guys, I've just seen interactions between all of those people who I find to be admirable thinkers in sets of two on the issues, where they disagreed tactically with each other.)

With more illegal settlement building by the current 'zealous' Israeli leaders, I definitely will refuse to buy products from those settlements, because I'm not helping subsidize this crazy exercise in making more enemies who have legit gripes. A boycott is a good union move, a good civil rights move, and is effective. And I'll lobby for divestment and sanctions to help make the rock headed hard liners see the error of their ways because, as an ally that wants our equipment and logistical backing, they sure do seem to have gone broken arrow on us.

And I would never wish harm to Rabin's political heirs, but I'll do what I think is right, as I know they do. There is no litmus test for correct thought on our side, there just is one on the right wing's side. J Street and NIF are a welcome answer to AIPAC for me, AIPAC has disgusted me with their support for crazy apocalyptic fundy 'christian' US pols. But I never signed on to agree lockstep with them on tactics and advocacy.

And there is racism in US unions, some rank and file, some institutional. You're right, there. Their membership should be reflective of the population demographics of the labor markets they represent, and more should be done to include women equally, as well.

On edit, I do appreciate your 2 links. Point 3 of J Street's amplifies the kind of BDS they do support. And so does NIF in the 4th sentence of their #14 policy position statement. It's the difference between global(general) BDS with some anti-semitic elements who I don't want to be involved with, and BDS against the illegal settlements.

It seems like normal people having to debate the liars about whether their lies are true or not

is itself another part of a fascist propaganda attack on America.

They're bald faced lies. We know they're lies. They know they're lies. They know we know they're lies. We know they know they're lies. Then they demand that we spend time arguing with them about their thesis that those lies are 'true'.

Only mass media allowing them to have 'fair, equal time', to defend their 'viewpoint', 'there's two sides to every story', allows them to get away with this nazi b.s. Any honest media would just say 'dRumpf is lying, again. End of story.'
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