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So we are suppose to "unify" with people that won't even admit Trump lost? Here is how I feel

Next comes certification (mark your calenders)

Already starting to see Trumpers saying "no state has certified anything yet so nobody has won yet". While it is correct that none of the states have certified the final count yet, it is all but certain they will eventually certify the same winners we are seeing now on the projection maps at various media outlets.

In case you are wondering when that happens, here is a list of certification dates for each state as defined by state law

The cheatsheet of the states you are probably the most interested in is:
Georgia (Nov 20)
Michigan (Nov 23)
Pennsylvania (Nov 23)
Minnesota (Nov 24)
Arizona (Nov 30)
Wisconsin (Dec 1)
Nevada (Dec 1)

These dates can sometimes be inexact as state law may allow exceptions to the deadline. Also if states get done early in most states they can release final certified results prior to the deadline too.

Still I wonder what the Trumpers in denial will be saying in a bit over two weeks as states start one after another certifying the results.

The GSA has not yet "ascertained" that Biden is the Pres elect and thus hasn't granted access for

his team to the various governmental agencies. The longer they wait the more it will hamper the incoming Biden administration's ability to make a smooth transition. Biden win was finally called on a weekend so I don't think it is an issue yet but a story worth tracking over the coming week.

As a rule, the GSA avoids any hint of partisanship. Even as the media declared Biden the winner on Saturday, the GSA was reluctant to immediately follow, saying in a statement that “an ascertainment has not yet been made. GSA and its Administrator will continue to abide by, and fulfill, all requirements under the law.” Every passing day, however, also stalls what was already a historically difficult transition. Making matters even more complicated, the law on the subject is vague and leaves it up to Murphy to determine when Biden is officially president-elect.

Biden’s transition did not respond to requests for comment.

Murphy could play it safe and wait until December 14, when the Electoral College is set to cast their ballots for the president. But doing so could also significantly hamper the Biden transition effort and leave them scrambling amid dueling public health and economic crises.


Freepers are living in a crazy level of denial.

“I have put $500 on predictit.com [that Trump will win re-election], and I will take home well over more than $5000 when Trump wins...again.”

That’s a very astute bet. More people need be to placing such bets. If not $500 make it $5000 or $50000. Monday may be a good morning to go to the mortgage company, pull all the equity out of the house and place it on this bet.

The tears from MAGAts are going to be a tidal wave in a couple weeks.

I have no idea if the The Madden Brothers intended this to be a political anthem but it so fits 2020

Done with being a silent many
Every voice rings out and carries
No we won't just go back
Home without you hearing
The sound when the many say
We are done

Trump is the first President in over a century to never win the popular vote.

He also never had an approval rating above 50% and he was impeached. Despite the fact that Trumper's love him and think he is so great today, history will not be kind to him.

America never wanted him, he never rose to challenge of earning America's respect, and America got rid of him.

Just a reminder that Decision Desk HQ called the race more than 25 hours ago ..

At that time Nate Silver said

Good for them. The outcome has been apparent for a while. No reason other sources shouldn't follow. There's some doubt about the outcome of Georgia and Arizona, still, but Biden doesn't need those states to be elected.


Since then Biden's lead in PA has increased consistently. There is no rational reason every network hasn't already called this thing. I mean Fox even called AZ and that was and still is slightly less certain than PA. Of course calling AZ didn't end the race the way calling PA would.

The only reasons they have are:
1) milking this for ad revenue.
2) they are all cowards and hope another network will blink first and get the brunt of Dumpy ire.

Projections vs Certfied Results (a timeline)

It seems that some people thinking "calling" a state is official or has some legal weight. It doesn't. When the networks "call" a state that is simply a projection. It is the network statisticians looking at the results and concluding that it is infeasible for the other candidate to win and thus it is safe to declare for example that Biden "WILL" (note the future tense) win Virginia.

So any map you see on NYT or NBC news showing Red of Blue states is simply a projection, an opinion on what will eventually happen. These are almost never wrong but they have zero weight under the law. None of them are official. Virginia is not official, Maine is not official, Florida is not officially. All these are just projections that when the official certified results are posted that is who will win that state. Someone asked why don't people wait for the certified results and the answer is you certainly can but most people are impatient.

The next step in the process is the states conclude their counting and post final tallies. Then they will conduct any required recounts, resolve any legal challenge, and finally certify the final results. The process for this varies by state and so do the timelines. Virginia is required under law to certify results no later than 11/10 while California has until 12/11.

If you are curious when your state does that here is a helpful list. Regardless it will be many weeks before all 50 states have official certified results.

The next step after that is the electors chosen in each state as a result of the certified state results meet. While we say "electoral college" they never actually meet as a single body. Electors just meet in each state and vote for that state. That happens on 12/14. The states then have a hard deadline under federal law to deliver certified results of the electoral college to Congress no later than 12/23.

The final step is Congress certifies those results. If one candidate has 270 votes he/she becomes the official President elect. That happens on Jan 6th. As a technicality there is no official (by the letter of the law) President Elect until this day. Personally I am calling Biden President elect starting today.

Then of course Biden will become President on Jan 20th at exactly noon.

Short version
11/3 - Election day
11/3 to ??? - Unofficial results and network projections of a winner (you are here)
11/10 - The deadline for the earliest states to provide certified results
12/11 - The deadline for the last states to provide certified results
12/14 - The electoral college meets and votes
12/23 - The deadline for states to deliver results to Congress
01/06 - Congress certified the electoral college results and names the Pres/VP elect.
01/20 - The President and vice president take the oath of office and assume the office

Escorting trespassers out of the White House

"A Biden spokesman says that if Biden wins and Trump refuses to concede, “The United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”

From the NYT rolling ticker updates.


I hope the other netwroks take their time calling AZ so Fox News ends up calling the election

for Biden first when it becomes obvious he has won GA.

The amount of rage freakout from Trump and Freepers will be awesome.

Right now if every network called GA all of them except Fox would have Biden at 269 and Fox at 280.
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