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NYC_SKP's JournalI agree with you, and I'm not particularly proud of our culture or our behavior at home or abroad.
With a few exceptions, our country more than most accepts crass, loud, vulgar, and often violent behavior embarrassingly easily.
There are two DU groups that discuss guns exclusively:
The Gun Control & RKBA group here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172
and the Gun Control Reform Activism group here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262
Both are reasonably good places to post your perspective for discussion, though I would say that there's more freedom to express individual points of view in the first group, Gun Control & RKBA.
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Reading the reviews led me to some articles of interest...
One worth bookmarking is from the Nation, The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights
I think we should have this discussion honestly. If the latter is your position, say it. If you want to eliminate the Second Amendment right, mount a forthright political campaign to do so. Do not pussy-foot around with I am not against the Second Amendment. I do not want to take your hunting rifles and your shotguns, and your antique muskets, when you really dont like the Second Amendment at all, would love to see it repealed, and wouldnt mind if everybody was forced to turn in every weapon that they owned.
Cause, guess what: Youre not fooling anybody. When your discourse reeks with intellectual and moral disdain for gun-rights and gun-rights advocates, when it never endorses, and indeed at best studiously avoids, the issue of gun ownership as a fundamental political right, it shows. And it certainly shows when you say outright that youd love to confiscate all guns, no matter how you try to waffle on that later. Despite whats implied in the ever-present disdain, gun rights advocates are not, ipso facto, stupid (or violent, or crazy), and certainly not too stupid to see where youre heading. So lets stop gaslighting gun-rights supporters as paranoid when they state what they see:
Dianne Feinstein, who had a concealed carry permit when she felt a sense of helplessness, saying: If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . Mr. and Mrs. American turn em all in. I would have done it.
Not to mention Andrew Cuomos more recent: Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option.
Of course, you could counter that nobody should believe a word of anything these politicians say, anyway. How persuasive is this performance by pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands Joe?
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The entire piece is here: http://www.thepolemicist.net/2013/01/the-rifle-on-wall-left-argument-for-gun.html

"I’m certainly against one of Senator Obama’s ideas, which is to lift the cap on the payroll tax"
"CLINTON: I dont want to raise taxes on anybody.
Im certainly against one of Senator Obamas ideas, which is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, because that would impose additional taxes on people who are educators, police officers, firefighters and the like."
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm
Stolen from JDPriestly's insightful OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024379279
Yes, all those teachers making over $102,000.
Out of touch, much, Senator???

Life is short, motherfuckers. Enjoy it. Leave a Mark. Be kind. Make people smile.
That's all there is too it.
Thanks to Kali, we have a little background on this man: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018553145
Thanks, Kali.
I love you, Middlefingermom.
No guns policy at new Toby Keith restaurant in Woodbridge, Virginia
No guns policy at new Toby Keith restaurant in Woodbridge
Posted: Dec 26, 2013 2:21 PM PST Updated: Dec 26, 2013 2:27 PM PST
By John Henrehan, FOX 5 Reporter
WOODBRIDGE, Va. -
A big country star opened a huge, new restaurant last week in Woodbridge, Va. But a house rule for the new establishment is roiling some Virginians: no guns are allowed inside.
Toby Keith is not only a hugely successful country star (and actor), he also has personally opened a couple of restaurants, and through other companies, has now expanded those establishments into about a dozen cities.
The latest Toby Keith restaurant opened in Woodbridge. Prominently displayed on the front door is a sign saying: NO GUNS PERMITTED.
Virginia happens to be a gun-friendly state, where its quite permissible for citizens to strap on a weapon and go into a bar or restaurant, as long as the weapon is clearly visible. State law is silent on the issue of drinking while openly carrying a gun. (State law does prohibit most citizens who are legally carrying a concealed weapon from consuming alcohol, but they, too, are allowed to go into a bar or restaurant.)
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/24309712/no-guns-policy-at-new-toby-keith-restaurant-in-woodbridge#axzz2ogpXNUHA
Blowback:
By Sy Mukherjee on December 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Country music star Toby Keith is facing some backlash from gun owners after one of his new I Love This Bar And Grill restaurants in Woodbridge, Virginia posted a No Guns Permitted sign outside its premises.
Ill never eat here. Lawfully armed and spending my money elsewhere, read one of many disgruntled reviews on the restaurants Facebook page.
The furor spurred a response by the restaurant, explaining, While we understand and respect every persons right to own and bear arms, we at Toby Keiths I Love This Bar and Grill, with guidance from the State of Virginia and based on insurance regulations, have adopted a no weapons policy. It is our desire to provided a safe, enjoyable and entertaining experience for our patrons and staff.
That did little to quell the ire of gun owners, one whom responded to the restaurants Facebook message by saying, Your post regarding your stance on not allowing patrons to defend them selves should the need arise is a total cop out to the bad publicity that your bad policy has initiated.
But gun owners may actually be legally allowed to carry loaded weapons in Keiths restaurant under Virginia law, irrespective of what the sign says. Virginia is one of at least six states the others being Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona that explicitly allows loaded guns in bars. No Guns Permitted signs dont actually have the force of law in Virginia unless the state specifically lists the facility as one where people cannot carry guns.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/29/3106791/toby-keith-restaurant-guns/#
Should be interesting...

O HELL No!!! I'm Crackin' Up! Obama is Crackin' me the fuck up!!!
You all know this expression, it's McKayla Maroney, and she is not impressed...
Remember her? Well, she's a good sport! And she went to visit the president and what do you suppose happened?
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Oh yeah, you know...
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http://www.kulfoto.com/celebrity-pictures/34082/barack-obama-and-mckayla-maroney-are-not-impressed
ROFL!
And, just for good measure:
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Debunking the claim that US mass murders are on the rise since 1976.
Let me preface this by repeating that I want to see a host of measures to reduce violence in America, including sensible gun control legislation, most of California's laws applied nationally.
OK.
I was reading applegrove's interesting post in the other group: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12625349
And attached to the source article was this graph of "mass shooting" incidents and number of victims by year from 1976 through 2010.
I was thinking that it seems to be mostly flat with maybe a bit of an upward trend and then it struck me.
That graph doesn't take into account the growth in population over that time frame; it's not per capital, it's just raw overall data.
In 2010 there were 40% more citizens than in 1976 but guess what? The shooting incidents numbers haven't risen by 40%-- they haven't risen at all, and the number of victims has risen only slightly.
Adjusted for population growth or measured per-capita, the number of incidents and victims of mass shootings, then, has fallen by as much as 40%.
If I'm statistically wrong, and I'm pretty sure I'm not, please feel free to refute the above.
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Newtown. Here's a very thoughtful slideshow with a picture and little bit about each victim.
Huffpost, unfortunately, but worth the visit.
The topic is how proceeds have been spent in different ways for each victim, a very thoughtful and individualized story on this sad day.
Look for the slideshow after the text part of the article, which is about various ways donations have been spent to commemorate individual victims.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/newtown-fund-distribution_n_3046420.html#slide=1979131
Peace.
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