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Beverly Hills Marijuana Moms Club on 20/20

warning: Elizabeth Vargas looking disturbed
Posted by Voice for Peace | Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:19 PM (2 replies)

Everybody has a conscience.

Some people learn to pay attention to it,
and it becomes their guide.

It is the communication link between our heart
and our brain.

It informs us, via feeling, about right and
wrong. Very young children can grasp it.

Some people learn/ are taught to ignore it.
ie, to ignore the information coming to
us from our own feeling self.
trust the experts and authorities more
than their own feeling selves. If they
wound someone, they have learned
not to feel it.

But a healthy creature can feel the pain
they inflict on another creature.

"Unbidden shall it call in the night"

One way or another, one day, GZ will have
to face his crimes, and feel the sorrow
fear and pain he has caused. He will have
to feel all of it, and he will have to face
his lies as well. He will have to face himself.

All of us do. I absolutely believe this is a law
of Nature.

Is not remorse the justice which is administered
by that very law which you would fain serve?

Yet you cannot lay remorse upon the innocent
nor lift it from the heart of the guilty.

Unbidden shall it call in the night, that men may
wake and gaze upon themselves.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:49 AM (0 replies)

Zimmerman Trial - waiting for a verdict, here are jury instructions:


If you find Trayvon Martin was killed by George Zimmerman, you will then consider the
circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the Second
Degree or was Manslaughter, or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable
use of deadly force.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:20 PM (0 replies)

and from your point of view, how do you explain

the silence that follows the shot; the
absence of hoarseness in Zimmerman's voice?

My speculative opinion is that both
of their voices might be on that tape.

If Zimmerman attempted to detain Martin
in any way, and Martin responded aggressively,
maybe Zimmerman panicked when it became
a physical fight, it suddenly got real, and he
is a big chicken, so he started yelling for help.

He somehow got his gun. Or he already had
his hand on it, which is what I believe, from the
moment he left his car.

This is only my imaginative speculation and
I wasn't there nor am I on the jury. I
know you know that already.

Trayvon started screaming for his life, and

Because to me, it sounded like there were
two different types of yelling on that tape.

I consider Zimmerman depraved.
He could have pled involuntary manslaughter
right at the start, taken some responsibility
or showed some remorse. Might not
even have done jail time.

Instead he lied and lied, and his team of
experts and lawyers distorted the story until
Trayvon was on trial instead of him.

Instead he concocted a fabulous tale which is simply
unsupported both by forensics and many of the
witnesses. He is a fool.

That's why in my own mind it went from being
manslaughter to second degree. The post-
event activities & statements attest to ill
original intent.
My opinion only.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:40 PM (0 replies)

Zimmerman Trial - Frederick Leatherman post on defense closing arguments.


Does anyone know which photo he's speaking about
and does anyone recall seeing this part of the
defense closing?

(Comment in the comment section from Leatherman)

Mark OíMaraís closing was quite possibly
the worst argument that I have ever witnessed.
At times he seemed almost incoherent.

The worst part of it occurred when he showed Trayvonís
death photo to the jury and tipped it so that Sybrina
Fulton could see it.

She left the courtroom.

Deliberate or accidental?

I donít believe he had to show the photo to support
or illustrate his argument, so I have decided that
he did it deliberately with malice aforethought.

His defining characteristic throughout this case has
been to use motions as a vehicle to disclose private
information about Trayvon Martin and to falsely
accuse Bernie de la Rionda of discovery violations
to conceal his failure to exercise due diligence in
performing his job.

I shudder with disgust when I hear his name or the
sound of his voice.

John Guyís rebuttal was sublime. He blew me away
and that is not easy to do.

Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:17 AM (9 replies)

please go outside to the sidewalk, find a stranger,

and ask him to bash your head just once into the
sidewalk. Just one time, hard, so that you fear for
your skull breaking open.

Then take a look at the back of your head. You
might want to have a friend standing by with
an ambulance.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:23 AM (1 replies)

8 signs you are really a cat



# 4 is "nobody is ever sure you like them"

Posted by Voice for Peace | Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:10 PM (13 replies)

Nobody knows what went on that night, regardless of their law enforcement or legal credentials.

You are guessing just as all of us are guessing.

There is no value in demeaning others' opinions
unless they are directed unkindly at you personally.

It doesn't uplift or educate anybody, or help
people see your point of view.

Even if you have that experience, doesn't make you
an authority on this case, any more than myself.

People here are engaged in trying to understand
what happened.

Often people without the baggage of being experts
can see things more clearly than those who are
firmly locked in their I know how it is box.

Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:53 PM (0 replies)

thank you. Zimmerman's story might be coherent and believable if Trayvon were a fucking punk

and actually, in fact, up to no good, and this was somehow
provable. But he wasn't, and therefore it's not, not even
close. So the jury has to believe that Zimmerman is
not a liar -- but he's already been blatantly proved
to be a liar, and with no apparent remorse.

I had to google the deadly weapon doctrine effect...
is this what you mean? (from Wikipedia)

Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the "felony-murder" doctrine).

Under state of mind (i), intent to kill, the deadly weapon rule applies.

Thus, if the defendant intentionally uses a deadly weapon or instrument against the victim, such use authorizes a permissive inference of intent to kill. In other words, "intent follows the bullet." ...

Under state of mind (iii), an "abandoned and malignant heart", the killing must result from defendant's conduct involving a reckless indifference to human life and a conscious disregard of an unreasonable risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:59 AM (1 replies)

Zimmerman Trial Judge is no-nonsense


Debra Nelson has made a name for herself in Florida as a tough-on-defendants judge. Now her legal bearing is at the heart of one of the nation's most sensitive murder trials.

SANFORD, Fla.-- When a 39-year-old woman snatched a baby from a Florida hospital in 2008, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson wasn't swayed by the fact that the child was missing for only about an hour. She sentenced the kidnapper to 30 years in prison.

Nelson is in the spotlight again as the presiding judge in one of America's most controversial murder cases: the killing of Trayvon Martin. Her reputation among some as a tough-on-defendants judge may be transformed as she balances both sides of the emotionally charged debate about why George Zimmerman fatally shot the 17-year-old.

"Lawyers appearing before her know that her reputation is to be a law-oriented, no-nonsense judge," said Daniel Gerber an Orlando defense attorney who argued a civil case before Nelson. "We know not to cross that line."

The 59-year-old judge has lived up to Gerber's view of her throughout Zimmerman's trial by fairly dishing out orders to prosecutors and defense attorneys. Nelson often asks lawyers to get to the point and stay on subject.

..more at link
Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:11 AM (6 replies)
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