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His integrity.

His intelligence, his thoughtfulness; his warmth and sense of
humor. His sincerety and relentless efforts in the face of
unprecedented obstruction.

Oh not just obstruction. Cruel, nasty people, going on
television, forming committees, so much ugliness, so many

Have you noticed they can't work with him? Do you know why?

It's the same reason that Chuck Todd was reduced to
a pathetic little man in the course of ten minutes of that

It's because the president is an honest man, a brilliant man,
with a clear conscience, and dignity unmatched by anyone
I've ever seen in that office.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 08:57 PM (0 replies)

Riddle me this:

If the president had campaigned honestly in 2008, many people wouldn't feel abandoned.

Many people see no dishonesty in this man. None of them
feel disappointed in him, or abandoned. I'm one of them,
I think there are many others here on DU. How is this
possible? Do you think your point of view is objective?

Do you think this is a healthy approach to politics, and
life in general -- ie, for people who consider themselves
activists -- pinning hope on somebody else fixing their
life for them?

People complain so much, but don't even try to find
workable solutions.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 08:48 PM (1 replies)

I think many of us would love this whole nation to go much farther to the left

if it meant that a big majority of the people would follow
happily in that direction.

Growing up through the sixties & seventies, my perspective
is that when you pull hard to the left, too fast, there's an
equal and opposite effect; I'm sure it has something to
do with physics; it gives fuel to the opposing powers;
misunderstanding and rancor flourish; the center can not hold.

Many good honest and well-meaning people still associate the
"left" with the bomb-building activists and tripping hippies of
the sixties (I was one), the dissing of American soldiers who
had gone to Vietnam, vilification of the military in general, I
did that, I moved to Canada, I said fuck you to my parents'
values and their world, with absolutely no love or respect for
them, or what they'd been through. I'm pretty sure I wasn't
an exception; and there were wounds on both sides that
still haven't healed.

There was a vast ocean of misunderstanding between generations
and cultures. The South was vilified, maybe rightfully politically, but
socially it was so wrong, it turned a whole culture conservative, is
(ONLY) my opinion.

Obama's point of view, I am very sure (because he's said it outright),
is that we are all American citizens, we all deserve a voice and for
our point of view to be heard, for there to be healthy debate between
cultures and political rivals. He seeks stability and balance, wisdom
and progress. He has a hopeful view of humanity. He is working as
hard as he can. How do you think any one of us would be doing in his

If the far left is disappointed, then what do you think would
please them? and how will you help make that happen?
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 08:40 PM (0 replies)

I am fine with your suggestion, if it were to turn out that way, and not incarceration.

Better even that the punishment should fit the crime, ie
the perpetrators have to undergo what they made the
victim undergo, in addition to community service.

Except tenfold. Ten buckets on each of their heads of
the foulest sewage available. Public humiliation of some
kind, such that their crime is visible to all. I agree
that a stern talking to or wag of the finger is pointless.

But how do you make someone understand what they
have done? Such that they truly understand, and feel
authentic regret?

Punishment rarely is effective in that regard. It just makes
people better at hiding their crimes. Liars become better
liars. The potential for rehabilitation has to compete with
the natural urge to retaliate against the one who punishes,
or authority in general.

The punished don't usually learn how it feels to be their
victim. That's what's needed, for them to know how it
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 05:42 PM (0 replies)

People made a big mistake with their expectations.

So many people I've talked to express bitterness and cynicism
about hope and change the slogan.

People for some reason thought it was Obama who was going
to provide the hope and the change. Well that ain't how it
works, folks.

The hope is there, innate in all of us. And we are the ones
who have to make the changes. Obama never said he could
or would do it for us. Yet people are disappointed. Well,
disappointment is the guaranteed product of unrealistic
Posted by Voice for Peace | Wed Sep 10, 2014, 02:06 PM (4 replies)

How I processed it, is that every human being was once an innocent young child.

Through circumstances and/or choices people lose touch with
that innocence in themselves. But it remains, at the core of
every living person. Kittens will trigger that feeling in anyone.

And I would think that, living a life of such darkness and
madness, even by choice -- a person would still have a profound
hunger for just a speck of innocence and love.
Posted by Voice for Peace | Tue Sep 2, 2014, 03:58 PM (0 replies)

this is so wonderful.

Flash mobs always choke me up, in a good way.
There is so much joy inside of people. Always
waiting for a chance to come out, to push through
the sadness and anger that sits on top of it, hides
and smothers it.

Human beings. Dancing, breathing! We were born
for joy, I am sure.

Posted by Voice for Peace | Mon Sep 1, 2014, 12:20 PM (1 replies)
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