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Our Bernie pumpkin, show us yours!

Third way triangulation trick or socialist treat!

My son's:


Mine:


Anyone else carvin' for Bernie?
Posted by dreamnightwind | Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:36 PM (14 replies)

That hurts

He is my rep. I campaigned against him, thinking he was more of a corporate Democrat than a real progressive. I was supporting Norman Solomon, a true progressive. Also the local Coalition for Grassroots Progress, one of the best progressive groups I know of, is fully behind Bernie and worked hard for Solomon.

Huffman had the money and easily defeated Solomon in the primary. He's been ok on most issues, not so great on others.

This is one of the most progressive districts in the country, very safely blue, it's stretched along the coast, I think it goes as far south as part of Marin county (not sre of that), covers all of coastal Sonoma county, and some or all of coastal Humboldt county.

If Huffman were in any other district I would say he's a decent Democrat. But he's in perhaps the most progressive district on the country, we deserve someone more in line with our views here, and had an excellent candidate representing those views in Solomon.

Huffman is yet another example of money getting in the way of progressive representation, the rot at the center of the Democratic Party, much the same as I see the POTUS primary fight.

It looks like we haven't figured out to defeat monied interests yet. I consider that to be the left's challenge. I expect to see the money used against us by Republicans, which we can handle, because our issues clearly set us on the side of the people.

I would like to see our own party compete with ideas rather than money in the primaries, rather than the corporate wing using it against the left while taking primary election policy positions designed to obscure the very real differences in their policies and those of more leftwing candidates. For those of us on the left, getting our positions represented is ironically blocked as much by our own party as by Republicans.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:46 PM (1 replies)

There was one discovered here off the coast of northern California

between 5 and 10 years ago, couldn't find the link but I remember the fear tickle it set off in me. I think there is more of this happening than we are aware of. Can they globally identify these via some kind of imaging from satellite? Seems possible. I'll read the article, maybe they are doing just that. Anyway, a very unhappy K & R to this OP.

It's time, people, we have to change this society, ASAP.

To the people who claim India and China are the real problems, ever think about whose goods they are making over there? Plenty of them are made for us, by multinational corporations that were formerly U.S. corporations, who offshored their manufacturing to get cheap labor and unregulated polllution for their facilities.

This offshoring activity is directly supported by the corporate owners of both of our major parties. Our own party is fully onboard with this system, offering only slight disinsentives which are far outweighed by the corporate incentives to go the other way. They pretend to be on our side while cashing the campaign donations from the perps, and behind doors they laugh at our concerns.

Meanwhile, methane plumes from the seafloor. Polar ice melts. We're in big trouble here, and need to vote like it.

edit to add perspectve after reading the article, we're still in huge trouble but perhaps these plumes aren't the beginning of the end. I'm far from convinced. Anyway here is an excerpt:

But, according to Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist who is the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, that doesn't mean much when put in the bigger context of global warming.

"These are interesting but they are minor issues," Schmidt said of the plumes. "People have detected methane seeps all over the place off the continental shelves and mostly they are in equilibrium with what is going on. So if the water is warm, you will get a little bit more or a little bit less … The overall constraints are such that it's really hard to see how in the present climate situation how it could be a big effect."

Related: A Massive Amount of Death Is Plaguing the World's Oceans

But Kevin Schaefer, a research scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center who studies emissions from permafrost, was not as dismissive. The challenge, he said, was that so little is known about these methane plumes including just how much is being released on a global scale.

"It's a potential risk but I'm not sure the scientific community has a good estimate of how much this might be in the future," he said. "We don't know. It could have an impact. Whether it's radical, I would probably say not."
Posted by dreamnightwind | Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:45 PM (0 replies)

Wow, I read the links Bernie wrote in a downthread post

I can't respond, I've had that poster on ignore for a long time, but I was expecting some crazy way off base writings given the context and intention those links were provided in.

Instead, I am grateful to that poster, I had not read them before, and I found absolute verification that Bernie is the real thing. At last, there is someone to support that isn't a programmed product of a sick society, but has always been (these writing, I think, undated, were probably from 40 years ago or more) on the frontier of rethinking the mechanized militarized soul-less environment destroying empty materialistic society we are thrown into as our only valid choice.

I only read the first two links, not the third, too long and I only have so much time for this, but they were beautiful. It is sad to see a DU'er cherry pick such honest and thoughtful work for some controversial gotcha. Every word of it rang true, the spirit of truth and working to create something better was alive in his words. Obviously many of those thoughts would not be approved by any candidate's focus group as what a candidate ought to say. So much the better, let's be real.

The most offensive thing I found was Bernie referencing Ron Morrison of The Doors, when it was Jim Morrison.

Nice to see him even way back then railing against the gun lobby, I knew the gun framing against Bernie was disingenuous. So many other principled positions, too, an endless stream of them, truly a representative of the culture I've always wished could establish itself here rather than the corporate phoniness that has shaded every light to dim darkness.

So happy to support such a man as Bernie, I was dreading the soulless wasteland the party was offering us with more third way dreck, wanted Warren to step up, and Bernie has been amazing, much closer to my overall beliefs and worldview than Warren.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:32 PM (0 replies)

Yes!

Get off the corporate bandwagon and lend a hand, it is not the time for business as usual, the planet is overheating and capitalism won't be satisfied until it profits off of our own destruction.

Join us in our fight, there is no time to lose and we're up against long odds, we (all of us) desperately need for this to happen.

Sanders and Warren are definitely part of the solution. If Hillary would have an epiphany and fully commit to reform, she is intelligent and strong and would make an excellent ally too, but I mean a total complete conversion experience, otherwise she is fighting for the extinction team, quite literally.

Please see past my lame attempts to communicate the importance of this, and see behind it to the reality it comes from. This crisis is real, people, wake up and commit.

In my opinion this study understates or simply doesn't even begin to address the worst of outcomes, which on our current trajectory will surely come to pass. But it is hopefully enough to begin to appreciate the magnitude of what is coming.

It's Too Late to Save Over 400 U.S. Cities From Rising Seas, Scientists Say | Alternet
http://www.alternet.org/environment/rising-sea-levels-will-overtake-hundreds-american-cities

and to head off the inevitable cries of "why change when it's already too late" BS, it's too late for a few outcomes (New Orleans and Miami, for instance), but it's not at all too late to survive as a species, or at least to keep earth as an inhabitable planet (this is a possible outcome, that a chain reaction of methane clathrates and sulfuric acid releases poison our atmosphere and kill everything on this planet)

don't know if this is a good source, but it explains the problem
Planet Extinction - The Clathrate 'Smoking Gun'
http://www.planetextinction.com/planet_extinction_clathrates.htm

Back to bad but less doomsday futures:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027266411#post34

"In our analysis, a lot of cities have futures that depend on our carbon choices but some appear to be already lost...

...

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/10/07/1511186112

Carbon choices determine US cities committed to futures below sea level

The total area includes 1,185–1,825 municipalities where land that is home to more than half of the current population would be affected, among them at least 21 cities exceeding 100,000 residents. Under aggressive carbon cuts, more than half of these municipalities would avoid this commitment if the West Antarctic Ice Sheet remains stable. Similarly, more than half of the US population-weighted area under threat could be spared. We provide lists of implicated cities and state populations for different emissions scenarios and with and without a certain collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. Although past anthropogenic emissions already have caused sea-level commitment that will force coastal cities to adapt, future emissions will determine which areas we can continue to occupy or may have to abandon.


The PDF containing the supporting datasets they used for different cities and carbon scenarios can be downloaded here:

http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2015/10/08/1511186112.DCSupplemental

It does appear as if a number of cities, including Miami and New Orleans, are beyond hope no matter how much carbon we reduce. Let's hope we can turn this thing around in time to prevent collapse on a scale we can't survive.

Anyone who believes supporting the current status quo third way corporatist du jour is a step in the right direction is fooling themselves, corporate greed has gotten us into this mess. Just leave those games behind and commit to the magnitude of change we all know has to happen. This isn't about your candidate or mine, it's about having a future.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:05 AM (0 replies)

Excellent, substantive OP

Bernie did all of ths at a time when Hillary was on a roll. There were calls from various corners that Bernie supporters should just give it up and circle the wagons around Hillary to defeat the Republicans. The Benghazi hearing gave her a national platform to show how strong, competent and presidential she can be (with no relation to issues that help the American people, just a platform to withstand Republican attacks and look good while doing so). She nailed that opportunity, and she nailed the DNC debate.

Bernie's response? Right back to what matters. Issue by issue, making his case. Nothing but resolve and determination. I haven't seen a candidate like this in, oh, forever. Thanks for the OP highlighting some of his statements.

I would like to see him wade more into foreign policy, debunk some of the conventional wisdom and centrist policies about resource wars, U.S. hyperinvolvement in the middle east, reliance on fossil fuels as it relates to foreign policy decisions, making our country more about building a decent and sustainable future for its citizens than about global resource exploration and empire. A lot of the money we need for social policies is being wasted on the military to support corporate resource procurement and extraction.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:58 AM (0 replies)

A good idea, what about foundations and the like?

The oligarchs accumulate wealth to use it to shape the world with their own ideas as much as to pass it on to their kids. I would like a world shaped by the interests of those whose needs are not met not by the ideas of people who have never known such needs, can't understand them in any tangible way, and in many cases, as you suggest, just view less fortunate people as losers.

So my point here is we would also need a way to curb this kind of influence. they create foundations and institutions to shape the world to their liking that persist long after they leave this earth. Inheritance won't touch that. A maximum wage, or better a cap on total compensation, some way of preventing this wealth from accumulating to that degree in the first place, might have a better shot at returning the balance of power from the few very rich to democratically run institutions.

The other component of course is putting the democracy back in government. Another current OP had a link down thread to this study, I'll just paste here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251724264#post52

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPPS%2FPPS12_03%2FS1537592714001595a.pdf&code=e40d65fc61c134913e3ad43a422129d3

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.


The fix to this of course is public funding of elections, and ending revolving door relationships between government and industry.

There's a lot to do, and it will all be difficult to achieve. It starts by identifying the tasks, electing a leader who believes in them (Bernie for the win), and fighting like hell no matter how many times we are defeated.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:27 AM (0 replies)

Thanks for posting this link

I had seen it before and lost track of it, and the linked study in the article is amazingly well written and researched. Should be required reading.

http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FPPS%2FPPS12_03%2FS1537592714001595a.pdf&code=e40d65fc61c134913e3ad43a422129d3

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:14 AM (0 replies)

Hang in there

It's a long game, and if we persist, and persist on principle, we shall see what happens. Things get better just in the act of our persistence.

The recent gains by Hillary are substantial, and are entirely the product of the powers that be. The debate was rigged to minimize rather than illuminate the differences in the candidates, with a room packed by DNC invitation only, a DNC head who is head off Hillary's Florida campaign, a moderator who is or was on the Clinton Global Initiative payroll, and endless MSM pundits hell-bent on marginalizing the "socialist" in their post-debate analysis, extolling Hillary's presence and competence while ignoring the peril of her third way corporatist and imperial policies.

The Benghazi hearing was a great showcase for Hillary, she was given a platform to show her competence, intelligence, and fortitude (all unquestionable IMO, I've never doubted any of these attributes of hers) while completely ignoring the very real issues behind the Libya debacle, and the Syria debacle, and Hillary's large role in both of them. That all fits the agenda of the powers that be.

Many good threads on this right now, among them:

ONE simple fact: Benghazi was a covert CIA op under direction of Gen. Petraeus.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027277145

Ignoring U.S. Destabilization of Libya, GOP Benghazi Hearing Asks Clinton All the Wrong Questions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027282512

Also Hillary is now spending money on ad buys, which is the lifeblood of the MSM, and effectively propagandizes the low-information public.

We're up against long odds, and we've always known it. That being said, we have Bernie and the truth on our side, and an American public who is very far down the creek the corporate owners of both parties have thrown them into, so people are more ripe for a real candidate who speaks truth to power and will represent their interests more than the interests of the large campaign donors. So therein lies our opportunity. Also climate change, with its oncoming horror, collapses the business as usual arguments.

We will lose many fights before winning, if we ever win. The fights do make a difference, people get educated and are more receptive when future battles are waged. And we have Bernie, probably the best candidate I have ever had the opportunity to support.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:45 PM (1 replies)

K & R, can't rec this enough

"What was learned was irrelevant," Goodman says. "What was relevant, wasn't discussed."

Same as it ever was. It sickens me to watch this, and to watch DU members rally to her side as if she's the most incredible republican-eating warrior we've ever had. They completely miss the point, as usual, and by design of the powers that be. Suckers all.

Though it isn't the same (the Republicans are comically inept and only interested in political gain), it reminds me of the Iran - Contra hearings in th 80's. Great crimes were committed by the intersection of U.S. politicians, CIA, and paramilitary assets. They were caught doing their dirty deeds, and a congressional hearing was held. The important questions about what was going on were conveniently not asked, and the principle witness and war criminal, Oliver North, was glorified as he skillfully navigated the faux hearing and presented himself as a tireless defender of the good ol' U.S. of A.

To watch our own members fall for the same rush of patriotism and partisan hero-worship for Hillary's ability to hold up in the hearing is really sad.

Our activities in Libya are a great example of why I cannot support Hillary Clinton, and I hope more Democrats can get their heads out of their anti-republican fervor to see the world-view they are buying into.

Don't be fooled people, this is how people get sucked into the wrong road. Being the best at this game is nothing to be proud of. The whole stinking game is the problem, and it's not a game, it's the destroyed lives of millions of innocents in every corner of the earth as the military industrial complex keeps the world safe for global fossil fuel extraction, destroying our environment and bringing vast wealth to a few greedy industrialists who increase their portfolios as the planet becomes uninhabitable and war breaks out all around.

Please, everyone, we have to be better than this, there is a lot on the line and it's now or never to get things right.
Posted by dreamnightwind | Fri Oct 23, 2015, 04:50 PM (4 replies)
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