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Has anyone seen thoughts and prayers being offered this time? Dare they with all the mockery? ?

Just saw this cartoon and wondered with all the mockery if they will consider it not politically expedient to offer thoughts and prayers this time. Maybe they are substituting "We have to do more for mental health."

Cartoon taken from this thread, to give credit where it's due:

Show the Carnage: Time for Americans to see the true result of mass shootings



For all of the killing, though, it’s striking how little Americans have actually seen of the violence. We are shown the aftermath, and sometimes—as with Parkland—we see victims hiding or escaping. But we don’t see what the bullets actually do. We don’t see the crumpled bodies or the bloody hallways, the mutilation that results when a medium-caliber round leaves a high-powered rifle and strikes a living person, tearing flesh, destroying bone, and leaving them either dead or gravely wounded. For the public, mass shootings are bloodless.

That might be part of the problem. Simply hearing about another shooting—seeing the familiar footage on television—has not been enough to turn ordinary Americans into activists or even single-issue voters. Maybe we need to see the results of our choices—of our policies—to prompt a change.

As attorney general, Eric Holder saw the carnage of Sandy Hook firsthand. “If the American people had access to those pictures, if the American people had seen those pictures, the calls for reasonable gun safety measures would have been passed,” Holder said in a 2016 interview. “If members of Congress perhaps had a chance to see those pictures and see what happened to those little angels I think we would’ve seen a different result.”

Speaking to reporters on Thursday, California Sen. Kamala Harris, a former district attorney, echoed that sentiment. “As a prosecutor … I had to look at autopsy photographs. When you see the effect of this extreme violence on a human body, and especially the body of a child, maybe it will shock some people into understanding this cannot be a political issue. We have to be practical.”


The fight to pass a federal anti-lynching law stalled for decades before it was propelled, in part, by gruesome images of Southern lynchings, printed in newspapers and circulated by black activists and sympathetic allies. The horrific violence done to Emmett Till, captured in photos and published for the world to see, helped energize the civil rights movement. There is no firm empirical relationship between press coverage and the public’s turn against the Vietnam War, but images of fighting and death played a real part in pushing some Americans from quiet disagreement to staunch opposition. Images from Abu Ghraib contributed to the wide sense among Americans that U.S. officials were condoning torture in Iraq. And more recently, graphic videos and images from police shootings of black Americans have galvanized a broad protest movement and led to real change in public opinion.

More at link

Edited to add: I can see both sides, and I do not have an answer to this. I do respect Kamala Harris and Eric Holder, and they have a valid point worth considering, and yet...I also respect the right to privacy of families who have been torn apart and would not want to see it handled in a way that added any more agony than they are already suffering. This is not a question with an easy answer.

Some funny animal photos just because we all could really use a good laugh:

Hopefully a little bit of an antidote to today's news!


Lawrence just referred to Kelly as "being hired to run the asylum."

This is getting crazier by the day.

Thinking of Rs. Guess if you have no shame you are not capable of being embarrassed.

Two Gay WW 2 Vets in VA Home Marry; Surprised By Warm Reception They Receive


When John Banvard, 100, met Gerard "Jerry" Nadeau, 72, in 1993, neither of them had been openly gay.

"When we met, we were sort of in the closet, and I'd never had a real relationship. Now, we've been together almost 25 years," Jerry tells John during a StoryCorps interview.

"What would it have been like if you didn't meet me?" Jerry asks John.

"I would have continued being lonely," John says. "I'd been absolutely lost."

Both are veterans, having served in World War II (John) and Vietnam (Jerry), and when they moved into the veterans home together in Chula Vista, Calif., in 2010, Jerry says people there wondered what their relationship was.

"Well, when we got married, they knew what our relationship was," Jerry says, laughing.

The couple married in 2013, and John says he was surprised by the warm reception they received. "I was expecting we'd be ridiculed, and there was very little of that," he says.


Later, their achievement was affirmed by a simple introduction. "I was with you in the cafeteria, and somebody came up with their family, and they said, 'This is Gerard Nadeau, and this is his husband, John,' " Jerry recounts. "I'd never heard that before."

"Yes, that was very nice," John says.

"You've made my life complete," Jerry tells John.

"I could say the same to you," John replied. "I think we're probably as happy together as any two people you're likely to meet."

Edited to add: It makes me so happy to post something happy! Positive things are so important to keep our spirits up in today's climate.

Sen. Wyden at town hall Friday; he's very concerned about & working on election security for 2018

Just FYI, I went to Senator Wyden's town hall last Friday. Hoping this will be reassuring to you all:

At one point he did specifically mention how concerned he was about election security and that he was doing a lot of work on it. He did specifically mention voting machines and other cyber security issues and registration data bases. So there are some Dems working on this. He takes questions by lottery so your number has to get called to ask a question, which is fair, but frustrating in that I am often left wanting more information! I was dying to ask more but my number didn't get drawn.

He is on Senate Intel so knows as much as anyone about Russian election meddling. He is also all over the entire Russia thing and has been since it first was a thing. He's been saying for a long time to follow the money and the trail of dead Russians.

I always feel so much better after going to one of his town halls because I know that at least we are in good hands with Wyden and Merkley. He has a town hall in every county in Oregon every year, and has had more than that in Portland since the election. Probably because his constituents are so concerned. And I am immensely grateful and aware of how fortunate those of us are who have good senators and reps.
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