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to me I don't think it matters if Trayvon was beating up Zimmerman

I was going through this in my head.

I've read the "stand your ground" law and I think I understand the self-defence aspect.

Here's the thing, to me.

Zimmerman calls 911. He knows police are coming. He keeps following Trayvon.

Everybody agrees on that so far.

Then there are discrepancies in the stories.

Zimmerman's story is that Trayvon attacked him, broke his nose, beat his head on the sidewalk.

Then at some point Zimmerman pulls out a handgun.

What gets me, and this is just me personally, is why did he have to pull the trigger?

I don't really see that it matters who pushed who first or last, Zimmerman is the guy in charge.
I mean, he knows the police are coming. He has the pistol so he is in charge of the situation. He has the control.

Why doesn't he yell "freeze!" "Stop!" "Put your hands where I can see them!" "I Swear to God if you move I'm going to shoot you!" "Get the fuck down on the ground now! NOW!"

I have a hard time believing he couldn't subdue the guy.

I just have a hard time understanding that a bigger guy with a pistol can't control a 17-year-old long enough for the Police to get there.

And it isn't that the "stand your ground" law makes that OK. He has to reasonably be afraid for his life or serious bodily harm. How would he reasonably be afraid that the guy he is pointing a pistol at is going to kill him before the police get there? I mean really?

And that's the legal side - the moral/ethical side, I don't see shoot first. Man, if you are going to shoot somebody you try to avoid it first. I don't see how he couldn't have avoided that. I said the other night that there were a ton of ways he could have gotten out of that situation without killing the guy. Legally that might not be murder 1 or even 2, but morally it is just pitiful.

Didn't your Dad's tell you over and over - that if you pull that trigger it is a done deal there is no going back? Done, final, last resort. Don't do it unless you mean it.

I think it was cowardly.

I think Zimmerman should be on suicide watch - he's got a lot to live with.

Just my opinion and of course I don't know any more facts about it than anyone else.

See, he's an uppity black man

I followed the link to hannity show about the secret hidden tapes.

I watched about five minutes of it, and I couldn't bear with it anymore.

What a bunch of idiots. An idiot carnival.

They took a joke "I hid that during 2008 but I don't care if they see it now" and act like it is a grave admission of some horrible guilt.

The little geeky blog commenter guy says, and I'm paraphrasing "and this demonstration was not about diversity. It was about a professor going on a voluntary sabbatical in protest of a tenure decision. And that was about diversity, so that there would be more women and minority faculty. But this wasn't about diversity, it was about radicalism."

It was radical because "just months before, the professor had given a speech in Chicago where he said that the civil rights movement had been a sham because there was still racism." See, radical!

I mean, really, that's what the guy was saying.

The point they are making is "See, we told you! He really is an uppity black man!"

That's what the whole "radical agenda" is, uppity black folks having the nads to say that people (like these dumbasses) are racist.

See, there I go playing the race card.
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