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A revolver on its own would have been inadequate.

I recommend that all DU'ers discussing gun issues and possible bans watch the full video (shared below) and read the full article at this link:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/tina-ring-ashley-lee-mom-daughter-tulsa-robbery-video/

I'll excerpt the allowed number of paragraphs, and provide some comments to get the discussion started.

A mother and daughter fought off a robber armed with a sawed-off shotgun at their family’s liquor store, shooting him multiple times before he fled, police say. The harrowing incident was caught on the store’s security cameras.


The daughter is seen working the register and the mother is initially off-screen when the robber enters brandishing a sawed-off shotgun. The women are then seen putting their hands up and otherwise peacefully complying with the robber as empties the register of its cash. He moves off screen, presumably exiting the store, but inexplicably returns, perhaps wanting to steal more. By this time, the younger woman has retrieved a revolver from under the counter and handed it to her mother, and also retrieved a small-caliber (perhaps .380?) semi-automatic pistol for herself.

Tina Ring, 53, and her daughter, Ashley Lee, 30, were working at Forest Acres Liquor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on February 22 when the incident occurred. Police say the suspect, Tyrone Lee, checked himself in to a local hospital with four gunshot wounds and is expected to survive.

Both women shot Lee during the incident, police said.

“I think I’m still in shock,” Tina Ring told the Tulsa World on Saturday. “I don’t think I have really processed everything yet.”

The suspect is believed to be connected to a string of several armed robberies in the area in recent weeks, police said.


Tyrone's sawed-off shotgun was apparently unloaded, or this event could have turned out much more tragically. Nonetheless, the larger and stronger man was able to wrestle-away the revolver from the mother, fortunately only after she had emptied it of its ~5 rounds. But by that time, Tyrone had been hit at least twice with bullets fired by the women.

Tina Ring told the Tulsa World, “I didn’t want him to hurt my daughter. That was my main thought.” She said they tried to give him the money and get him out of the store, but then he came back.

“All I was thinking was ‘Just give him the money and go,’ and next thing I know, I see him back in my face,” Ring told the newspaper.

Ashley Lee told ABC News, her mother, “was all I could think about,” during the horrifying experience. During an interview Sunday, Ring said that Lee, “saved my life,” and her daughter responded, tears in her eyes, “you saved my life.”


These women acted as safely and responsibly as I could ever imagine. They initially complied with the assailant, they called 911 as soon as they could. They only fired their own weapons when the assailant reinitiated contact. And yet, a full load of a revolver was not enough to even slow the assailant down, and the rounds from the semi-automatic pistol were what allowed the two women to escape with their lives.

I'd really like to hear from the DU Chairborne Commando Brigade (Virtue Signaling Division) who have been telling me for over a week now that a revolver is plenty of protection, and that all semi-autos need to be banned...


Full video (graphic):

-app

This is just as bad as the Franken pile-on.

I oppose AWB's on grounds of individual liberty, and that they will not in fact reduce murders.

I can't imagine compliance with such a ridiculous law being particularly high even if a fair price was paid for each weapon turned-in, and the link makes no mention of how more than a hundred million firearms would be paid for.

But the details of my opposition aside, the mob mentality that has gripped many Democrats is truly chilling. There is a mad rush to delete one of the ten fundamental freedoms written into our founding national document. Like the rush to Deny Al Franken due process in the zeal for "Me too," this AWB madness will hurt many actual, progressive Democrats across the USA. I predict that Democrats will suffer at the polls once the media moves on to the next big story.

Meanwhile, I will continue to speak against this ill-advised policy proposal.

-app

Dionne's tune may change when it comes time to count votes.

Here in the mountains of NC, Hillary was written-off wholesale for her views on guns by all but my most urban neighbors (and where I live, the 'urban' environment is quite small).

I really think that this moment offers Democrats' a better opportunity to push for universal healthcare (to include vision, dental, and mental health of course, unlike most plans we have now where your eyes, teeth, and mind state are optional), publicly funded child care, family leave, better educational systems and support, and even a guaranteed basic income. Making this country more compassionate, with a wider safety net could reduce mass shootings much more effectively than any realistic gun control proposal I have heard.

Calling for gun bans satisfies some Democrats' visceral urge to "do something," but it is still an authoritarian and simplistic response to a broad and complex social problem of pain and alienation among the populace.

-app

One would think that any concept of actual freedom...

... would include the right of adults to choose how to manage their own bodies and psyches.

And in fact, this IS a part of my concept of freedom, which means that the USA is not yet free.

-app
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