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The facts remain.

On-Edit: The link I pasted below is getting gummed-up in DU's HTML editor. It is lawcenter DOT giffords DOT org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/preemption-state-by-state/

I stated above that there could easily be 20,000+ municipal laws on the DISCHARGE of firearms within city limits.

Looking at the Giffords Center clearinghouse on state laws:


I see that MOST (if not all - I don't plan to comb through all 50) states have exceptions to their preemption laws, and regulations about where and how firearms may be discharged within city limits are pretty routine in what I'd read.

Looking at my home state of NC, there are exceptions to preemption galore:

North Carolina provides for several exceptions to its preemption law:

Cities and counties may enact non-discriminatory regulations or prohibitions of firearms sales at a location if there is a “lawful, general, similar regulation or prohibition of commercial activities” at the location.

Cities and counties may enact general zoning plans that prohibit commercial activity within a fixed distance of a school or other educational institution without a special use permit issued for a commercial activity found not to pose a danger to the public health and safety of those attending that school or institution.

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit possession of firearms in, or on the grounds or in the parking areas of, publicly owned buildings, public parks, or recreation areas.

A local government may adopt an ordinance to prohibit, by posting, the carrying of a concealed handgun on a municipal and county playground, athletic field, swimming pool, or athletic facility, although a concealed handgun permittee may still secure a handgun within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area of a locked vehicle. Local governments are expressly prohibited from enacting other ordinances, rules, or regulations concerning legally carrying a concealed handgun.

Cities and counties may regulate the transportation, carrying, and possession of firearms by their employees in the course of that employment.

Cities and counties continue to have emergency powers as specified by statute (though North Carolina generally prevents cities and counties from enacting prohibitions or restrictions on lawfully possessed firearms or ammunition during states of emergency).

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit the discharge of firearms at any time or place, except when lawfully used to take animals (counties only), in defense of person or property, or when pursuant to lawful directions of law enforcement officers.

Cities and counties may regulate the display of firearms on public roads, sidewalks, alleys or other public property.

Cities and counties may regulate or prohibit the sale, possession or use of pellet guns.

So that's nine categories of exceptions available to every incorporated town and city in NC. That's a lot of potential laws.

Let's just review where we are at, now whopis01:

-You mischaracterized my paraphrasing of former Democratic Representative John Dingell as NRA bs propaganda.

-You cited a figure for gun laws across the country that is off by at least one, and probably two orders of magnitude.
-You doubled-down on an erroneous interpretation of state preemption laws, without citing a single source.

0 for 3.


Brooks' endorsement should doom the Harris candidacy once and for all.

David Brooks is a neoliberal, a George W. Bush fan, and apologist for the billionaire class at its worst.

I strongly suspect that Brooks' comfort with Harris is due to how neoliberal she is as well. I think that nominating a neoliberal candidate like Harris in 2020 would feed the "both sides are the same" narrative to dangerous levels and possible Democratic losses.

Brooks is (as usual) wrong that Harris' identity and fighting spirit will be enough to carry her candidacy. Many of the same tropes that doomed the Clinton campaign from the start (in her case, private speeches to Goldman Sachs, etc.) will haunt Harris (coziness withe both Steve Mnuchin AND the private prison industry, anyone?). Although Brooks cites the example of Harris being tough against a campaign opponent who had been her own boss, she too often has been tougher on the powerless (single moms of truant kids, black men convicted of minor crimes, potheads, etc.) than she has been against the powerful.

I actually agree with Brooks' that 2020 is not likely Sanders' moment. His history in the 2016 campaign is tainted, whether fairly or not (as a longtime Sandernista, I would lean toward "unfair," but that does not change the reality of it all).

For these reasons, I am leaning strongly toward Elizabeth Warren or Sherrod Brown. Democrats don't just need someone tough, they need someone whose toughness is laser-targeted against billionaire kleptocrats and the staggering inequality that has metastasized across America over the last 40 years or so.

On-edit: If Democrats need further information regarding the MANY reasons why they should not take Brooks word on the color of the sky or anything else, see this excellent column by Drew Magary, of which I will offer but a taste here:

How does this random IDIOT (Brooks) get treated as the definitive word on Serious Matters when’s out here acting like (A) Robert Mueller wasn’t appointed by democratically elected officials, (B) This kind of sweeping inquiry could befall literally any president, and (C) Lincoln would be King Of All Paper Shredders if he got investigated? And he’s the one saying something lacks substance? Fire this man.

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