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Yes, you're right about that. But what about the powerhouse unions we still have?

The UAW, IBEW, etc.? We really need them to step up on this. I can guess why they're not; it's probably because K Street is thousands of miles from a lot of their members, and they think the dues-paying members need representation closer to home. They're not wrong. But the problem is that the policy that is directly harming them is being made in far-right "think" tanks on K Street.

They need to be doing both.

Some of the cell lines go back even further, to the 1960s.


They are "immortal" cell lines. The most well-known line is HEK. It is distantly derived...

...from aborted fetal tissue in the '60s. That's how old these cell lines are. They are now so far distant from the original tissue culture that you can't even say they're human anymore. These cell lines (HEK and others) have been used in nearly every major advance in medicine in the last 50 years. HEK and similar cell lines are used in labs absolutely everywhere, everyday, for more things than you can imagine.

These antivaxxers--all of them--are arguing and acting in bad faith.

Here's an example of a health care system that got serious about firing them:


Thank you for explaining this. It just seems absurd...

...considering the fact that those objecting have at least one alternative which does not use immortal "aborted" cell lines. You can also bet serious money that the Conway Health System ran that vax mandate and the document posted in that article past their legal department.

To laymen, this does look like an absurd case, and one that is made in bad faith. Especially because Thomas actually believes this garbage.

Yep. The Church endorses the vax under the principle of "double effect".

Pope Francis has been very clear that there is no Church objection to the Covid vaccine. Not to mention, the overly-scrupulous radtrads out there have options; I know at least one of the Covid vaccines has not been made with the use of "aborted" cell lines. Note that these cell lines (HEK and others) have been used in nearly every major advance in medicine since the '60s. So since these people have alternative vaccines, this is simply a case being made in bad faith.

Here's an example of a health care system that got serious about firing antivaxxers: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216873062#post13

But the case concerns the objection to the vaccines, which use an utterly ubiquitous technology...

...used in almost every medical discovery since the '60s. HEK and similar cell lines are used in labs absolutely everywhere for more things than you can imagine.

I'm not a lawyer, I just work with them, or rather they do work for me (patent attorneys), but this just looks like an absurd case. I would really like a qualified attorney to explain it to DUers.

Exacty what I would expect out of one of Trump's hired hands.

Mark Meadows, Sarah Huckabee, Hope Hicks, etc. Some were more educated than others, but they all had the same total lack of qualifications for being in the positions they were.

General Flynn--God help us--even took the Fifth when asked about whether he believed in the "peaceful transfer of power" in this country, i.e. those things called "elections"! It's hard to get your head around that one...how one of the most decorated military officers can have such contempt for the Constitution, all while taking advantage of the legal protections it contains. That's certainly a lack of qualifications right there. Did this guy fall asleep in civics class?

Only "the best people" for Drumpf!

Remember the vaccine mandate exemption from Conway Health System?

It listed all the drugs and vaccines that had been made with HEK and similar cell lines. If Justice Thomas objects to the Covid vaccines (not all were developed with "aborted" cells, but the most effective ones were), he's going to have to object to a lot of other medical advances as well.

Even the Catholic Church officially endorses the Covid vaccines, under the principle of "double effect".


It's probably too late for this, but I've always felt that the unions and other labor groups...

...should be funding the kind of K Street/think tank infrastructure that the far right has been building since time began. By the late '70s it was clear what we were dealing with, and the election of Reagan sealed the deal.

But nowadays we need a lot more than just think tanks. I still can't understand why big labor didn't get on task all those years ago. To be fair, there are a few left think tanks (e.g. Institute for Policy Studies), but not nearly enough to combat the "Rolodex factor", where the news media can just call any old hack from a right wing think tank and get a canned sound bite.

Yes, that and general radtrad-ism, which has been a major problem since at least the '70s...

...and Pope Benedict XVI aided and abetted it with several official acts, including opening the floodgates to the Latin Mass zealots as well as bringing in the Anglican-Catholic weirdos who make most radtrads look sane. Pope Francis finally clamped down on the radtrad Latin Mass fanatics because their behavior was so renegade and because they were so hostile to anything remotely resembling modernity--not to mention their open hostility to Pope Francis himself.
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