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Yes Jack, why?



Ten GOP exposed as a Putinist implant. Kind of funny that they could fool a "Navy intel officer" and member of the "alt-right", right?

Make sure to check links and take lots of screen caps of conservatives falling for that e-polonium right here before they eventually do that whole silent scrubbing thing they like doing like how no InfoWars person ever called Sandy Hook a hoax:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22ten_gop+suspended+site%3Atwitter.com

Lots of people are thinking Post-Trump, nothing wrong with that, I just want to add one thing

We had Bush and his horrible policies for 8 years and then suddenly on January 21, 2009, no Republican really supported Bush, all of the sudden it became OK to say Bush wasn't the messiah, nobody really thought the Iraq war was a great idea, nobody voted for him twice, oh yeah he didn't become President on September 12, 2001, that he wasn't selected by God himself, that it's OK to criticize him now, etc.

I don't want this to happen with Trump supporters, you feel me?

If one day becomes the first day of the post-Trump era, I don't want to see any Republican or conservative suddenly saying "But I never really supported Trump" and it going unchallenged.

You say "Prove it, or you are a liar!" Tell them to cite something or their credibility is on the line.

Bookmark this thread, keep it in your hearts.

(Plus giving a little hope that there is a post-Trump era at all.)

New Rule: If you're the media, any claim by Trump will need multiple source verification

There's a reason why Steve on the corner with the sign the world is ending next week for the past year now is not a meteorologist, there's a reason why Walid Shoebat is not considered an expert in national security, and there's a reason why you don't call up that 13 year old kid (or 31 year old conservative) who claims to be an ex-navy seal and is coming to find you to commit grievous assault on you for news on the technology circuit.

They're not reputable and they're not experts.

With Trump's long train of false statements and the whole "he's just trolling you" with his coming storm remark, he is clearly in that camp above.

There is nothing forcing any media organization to cover any item by or of Trump or his cohorts at all.

Now it's time to make a request of the media, if they want to be viewed as reputable, then any claim that is made by a member of the Trump administration and they plan to include it in a news cycle at all, then they need verification that that the claim was made and that it is accurate.

The Trump administration may have destroyed the credibility of the executive branch and the respect for the Oval Office, but there is a real chance for a real media to rise from the ashes.

That Which Must Not Be Named

So yes...

We've got a generation of conservatives fed on right wing and fake news media telling them that they should see it as preferable to scratch their eyes out than to take direction from a liberal, minority, or some other "other"

We've got people who think you are insane if you tell them the truth that the south did not win the civil war

We've got people who think "national security" simply means returning to the days when spree shooters were white and most definitely not! Muslim!

But we're not supposed to call it out, we're not supposed to call it racism, we shouldn't even be talking about it according to pundits and politicians.

This is what we are up against though, this is what our democracy is up against.

If we can't fight this, then we are not going to win. Period.

"America is drawn into a civil war"

The United Nations issued an extremely rare "early warning" for the United States of America, claiming that the country is moving towards a second civil war.

As StockBoardAsset.com notes, this rare early warning from the UN often anticipates a full-scale civil war.

An early warning was issued for the last 10 years for Burundi, Iraq, Côte d'Ivoire, Kyrgyzstan and Nigeria. And all these countries have experienced a different degree of internal conflict.

...

It is clear that the United States is deliberately divided. The United Nations clearly plays an advertising role with its early warning. In the last 10 years, these warnings were issued only for third world countries. In our opinion, further division in America will be achieved only through a greater number of events, similar to what was in Charlottesville. And they will strengthen the polarization of the sheep for slaughter in the streets.

http://tehnowar.ru/67338-organizaciya-obedinennyh-naciy-delaet-redkoe-preduprezhdenie-amerika-vtyagivaetsya-v-grazhdanskuyu-voynu.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftehnowar.ru%2F67338-organizaciya-obedinennyh-naciy-delaet-redkoe-preduprezhdenie-amerika-vtyagivaetsya-v-grazhdanskuyu-voynu.html


Now why post something like this? I'll tell you why. There was a guess as to just what some of the Russian propaganda being shoveled into Facebook was. I took some of these images and used a Russia-based search engine (Yandex), In addition to a site that was just coincidentally called "culturekill . com", I also found this article which is how we are seen according to Putinist propaganda.

Let's not call this a civil war though, it's not, if you're trying to divide Americans, if you're trying to turn law abiding Muslim Americans into an enemy, if you are pushing fake news against people who say that black lives matter, etc.; then you're not the south vs the north in a second civil war, you are an agent of Putin. It's as simple as that. This isn't a civil war now, you are the tip of the spear for the Kremlin, for the people who killed Alexander Litvinenko and Sergei Magnitsky, for the people who blew up MH-17; you are fighting for a nation, but believe me, it isn't your version of the United States.

Spread the word.

What is honesty?

Is "honesty" whatever happens to agree with your point of view?

Is "honesty" whatever happens to be any statement that one thinks would rile up or irritate some group that you do not like? So for these two statements, your reality is not contingent on memory or perception, but the emotional appeal, or lack of it, of something?

Is "honesty" saying the first thing that comes into your head, no matter how unfiltered or how divorced from reality it is?

Is "honesty" whatever you say while under an altered state of consciousness; whether that state is caused by tort... enhanced interrogation techniques or under the effects of hallucinogens?

I'm "honestly" sure we are seeing the rise of one group that would say "YES!" to all of the above.

There's a new drug sweeping this nation

It's street name seems to be known as "unity and healing".

Causes the person who consumes this to go blind to what is going on, get amnesia of rhetoric aimed at them telling them that it's their turn to suffer now, and disregard the completely reasonable notion that concepts such as preferring unemployment and opioids to some "globalist", liberal, black, or gay person "bossing them around", putting Muslims in a registry or expelling them from the country, or that it's "just too politically correct" to remind Confederate flag wavers that they need to get over losing the civil war a century and a half ago these days as all quote "bat guano insane" unquote.

Pushed by an orange egomaniac and people who have fixations with Nazi symbols.

This is one drug we can all just say no to.

As VX and sarin are to individuals, the "alt-right" and Putin propaganda are to nations

This is the chemical-esque political warfare we face today...

* Convince people that their best days are already behind them. We see people celebrating the zenith of their collective history as being the time when their ancestors owned other human beings over a century and a half ago. "Make America great again", what? Was it not great already? What happened? What period of time do we need to return to? And Putinist botnets seem to like stories that describe a decline of the US while contrasting it with casting Russia as having fantasy qualities. When people are convinced to glorify the past over the present which is seen as bad and see the future as being an imitation of that past at best, then nothing can really be created, people can not adapt to changes, nothing new happens, there is no change and there is no escape from degradation. Because you might have high hopes for the present and future or you might have a realistic view of it, but you can't have either if you erroneously think the past was a golden age, then this really is a crafty attack on both idealism and realism, so what are we left with? Pessimism. How long can a nation really run on that?

* Create a system of recreational paranoia. Make people afraid of the 'other'. Fear the Muslim. Fear the Jew. Fear the immigrant. Fear the transgender. Fear the 'globalist'. Everyone who is not-you is not your friend is how these forces want you to see the world. This is special to us. We are a nation of 'others'. Different skin colors, different ancestries, different religions, different sexual identities, etc. We are really attacking ourselves when we are convinced that the other people are out to get us, that we can't trust anybody who is not-us. We're also giving up our agency here, we are being told who these 'others' are, they are being set in stone for us, and they are driving us apart. When you give into recreational paranoia, you are also letting someone else ultimately make decisions regarding your freedom of association for you.

* Normalize a lifestyle of omission. There's something called omission bias that is going on here. This is where an inaction that results in the same amount of harm is seen as better or more moral than actually going out and doing an action on somebody that results in that same amount of harm. The common reply to the plight of people worried about healthcare, their place in the economy, the rhetoric of radical Trump supporters, or refugees is "Not my problem." Human beings are ultimately, though, a social animal. And if any social animal behaved in the way we see this being normalized with NOT doing something being the way to live, they would be seen as abnormal, maybe their death would be seen as inevitable. Another thing to remember here is that saying, "First they came for...", Niemoller wasn't the one coming for people and he wasn't the one speaking up, so no harm, right? How wrong he was in the end.

* Turn EVERYTHING into a fight. Debate is good, discussion is good. This isn't that. This is turning everything into a pseudo-debate that never ends and where historical facts are up for debate and the qualities of those debating are also seen as fair game too. Everything becomes a bullet point that can have a counteracting bullet point. "Black lives matter" is met with "No, all lives matter." "Nazis are bad" is met with "Well, there are good Nazis too." "But both sides", "fake news" to something you don't like, and blaming the victim. All of the sudden, there becomes no real truth, no objectivity, no shared history, no shared constructing of narratives. Nothing really matters if you can convince a populace of this.

* Turn the social hierarchy into a hyper-reality and then weaponize it against the people. There's a concept called vertical collectivism, emphasize the hierarchy, groups of people are always fighting against each other for a higher spot in society and to make other groups lower than your group. This is turning social dominance orientation and anti-social personality disorder into lifestyles and careers really. Convince the populace that people poorer than them, a different skin color than them, someone with less privilege than them is coming to take their privilege, their jobs, and their lives even and you turn it into an industry, turn it into a media and political force, then national unity becomes a pipe dream as everybody scatters to protect their spot in the social ladder from those they believe are coming to get those spots.

Realize this and spread the word. There is no timeline for this to end, this chemical-esque political warfare will only stop when we cease to exist as a nation or if we destroy these components. Exposing it is the first step to a cure.

More information:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/23/russia-propaganda-network-kremlin-bots-215520
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/24/breitbart-other-alt-right-websites-darlings-russian-propaganda-effort/598258001/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_bias
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/20/1690714/-Three-Russian-propaganda-techniques-being-used-by-the-Trump-administration-and-how-to-fight-them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism#Typology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

How to NOT be a bystander

Trump and his Nazi friends are hoping that we just stand idly by and let them spread injustice. Standing up to them and preventing their infection of our Democracy and the American spirit is mandatory. If you can not be aggressively against them; we all have things to do, jobs, family, etc. Then at the very least, you can not stand by and let them do this, there is no excuse for this at all.

Don't be neutral. Don't be about "order", don't rush to say the people out against the Nazis are anarchists or destructive. Neutrality in the face of oppression is assistance to that oppression. Don't be about the status quo and about preserving order when a Nazi is free to spread injustice, because there is something very wrong with that status quo and order if that is the case.

Don't be picky about who you defend. Don't be tolerant and inclusive, but then have that one group you have "cooties for adults" for. All groups that are targets of Nazis are worthy of love and protection. Black, GLBLTQ, Hispanic, Immigrant, Jewish, Liberal, Muslim, Poor, Refugee, Sick with pre-existing conditions, etc. They are all of us, we are them. Don't tolerate an attack on these people and groups, if the Nazis come looking for them, say you are one of them. "First they came for..." The only correct response is "Not this time!"

Don't give them an inch. Don't agree with them. Don't see where they are right. Don't give them equal time. In fact, treat the person who says "I'm a liberal but I agree with what you are saying" as the same as them... and they probably are.

Don't let Nazis divide us. Support interfaith groups and projects, don't divide transgender from GLBTQ, don't let them separate us in terms of race, gender, and class. They will seek to find ways to divide us, that is for sure. Liberal and progressive Muslims and Russians aren't our allies... they are our brothers and sisters. We need to remember that.

Don't let them be wrong and let them get away with it. When you see Nazis spouting logical fallacies, when you see them making obvious errors, generalizations like arguing using anecdotes, blaming the victim, confirmation bias, moving the goalposts, etc., then at the very least you need to call them out on it just once, call it out! Don't let their dogma float out there unchallenged.

Don't let them define what "normality" and "deviance" are. The only way they get to say they are normal and protests against them are unlawful or if we need to "needed a permit" to stand up to them in the first place is if we agree with them. Don't let them say they are the normal ones and everyone else is in the wrong.

Don't let them frame the language. They have language they use. "Cultural Marxism" and "Political Correctness" are examples. Sometimes you see it even see it being said by progressives. Stop. Deflate their language, their tropes, and their cliches. Only use words like "political correctness" in order to debunk it as a right wing strawman or to make fun of it in the way they talk about it.

Don't say you can't help. Find local resources to help people out, support groups like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and many more. There is a great number of ways you can help... Donate, spread the word about them, even that helps them out.

Don't shrug. Never shrug. If you feel your shoulders start to lift up and think you can't care anymore. Put your shoulders back down; that's Heather, that's Nabra, that's Ricky Best and Taliesin Namkai, that's Yusor, Deah, and Razan, that's Mayci Breaux and Jillian Johnson, that's Reat Griffin Underwood and William Lewis Corporon, that's Clementa Pinckney, Tywanza Sanders, Daniel Simmons, Sharonda Singleton, Myra Thompson, Cynthia Hurd, Suzie Jackson, Ethel Lance, and DePayne Middleton-Doctor, and many others helping to push them back down.

I'm sorry Trump supporters

I'm sorry I was horrified when Nabra Hassanen was murdered and I'm sorry I was disgusted when you guys were proudly crowing that it was "not a hate crime."

I'm sorry I found it evil when you rationalized Heather Heyer's death or when you blamed her for what James Alex Fields did and I'm sorry you don't see that if the Daily Stormer and other groups that participated in that march or reveled in her murder were Islamist instead of Nazi, then you wouldn't be championing their "freedom of speech" right now.

And I'm sorry I still feel this way about all of it.

So can we work on that "unity and healing" now?
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