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The Dangers of fundamentalist christian housing for people with mental illness

There is a place that houses the mentally ill out here called Hope House.The people running it are insane fundamentalist christians and control freaks.I just found this out,today. I was told when clients move in there the crazy religious assholes take them off their DOCTOR prescribed medications.And some meds need to be tapered off like seizure medications for safety reasons.They don't taper them off there,safely they just confiscate their medications and cut them off cold.

That means schizophrenics get no medication,people with depression can fall back into depression,etc..The person I was talking to had been in the hospital twice since she moved in there,the hospital stabilized her and she went back to 'hope house' and had a crisis again.

She said the people running the place took away her medication, they said to her, that it was ok to see people that are not there and that god can cure her of schizophrenia. Other people in the group I was talking with her and others ,there were others who lived there or are living there backed her up. The "hope house" christian fanatics had pulled this crap with them also..The more I heard I got more pissed.I felt like going to"hope house" and kicking some religious bully ass.

Religious people,especially ones that FORCE clients to go to church whether they believe or not and risk their sanity because of what the asshole running the place believes in..should be shut down,and the owners put in jail.I hate pushy,fundamentalist christians.They need to go away,stop & shut up.. the people running"hope house" are too fucking religious to take care of anyone.

So many times I have wanted to punch pushy religious freaks in the face.I hate them.You cannot reason with them,or even talk to them like other people.I think these true believer types are a toxic religious disaster.

They should not be allowed to legally to run any housing for the mentally ill. They push religion,they try to bully clients into conversion and take away meds that some really do need. This is WRONG.They do not tell the clients their meds will be cut off when they are in the admission process. In my case assholes like the hope house staff would trigger me so bad,it would be a horror show,if they forced me to stop my meds,and go to their fanatic church. And it could get much worse the more they played control games and pushed religion....I know I'd be hospitalized in the first week.I was in Assemblies of God,and these people are dangerous and can't think clearly.They fucked up my mind! After I got out of that cult I was a mess,emotionally.

These christian run places are ruled by religion are dangerous and inhumane.I wish bush never let christian-freak assholes "help" the mentally ill.Those fundies need to get out of the 'helping' business,period.fuck them and their 'god'.

The whole thing is so WRONG.
Posted by undergroundpanther | Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:50 AM (11 replies)

mental health clinic closures...

Patients Occupy Mental Health Clinic To Prevent Closure

Last edited Thu Apr 12, 2012, 10:31 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by maddezmom (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).
Source: Care2

By Beth Buczynski

Members of Occupy Wall Street are reporting that dozens of people who use Chicago’s mental health clinics along with other advocates have barricaded themselves into the Woodlawn Clinic at 6337 S. Woodlawn, one of 6 clinics facing closure in the city.

The patients, family members, and mental health advocates say they intend to remain there until Mayor Rahm Emanuel agrees to keep all of Chicago’s public clinics open, fully funded and fully staffed.

According to the Chicago Tribune, some 5,100 patients receive services through the city’s network of mental health clinics. About 3,000 are uninsured or underinsured, and another 2,100 carry Medicaid, Medicare or private insurance. The plan to close the clinics was made toward the end of 2011, and will save taxpayers about $3 million, according to the Chicago Department of Public Health.

The City says it will refer the insured clients to nonprofit community mental health providers, but patients and their advocates have their doubts. Not to mention that thousands without insurance will be left to fend for themselves.

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/breaking-patients-occupy-mental-health-clinic-to-prevent-closure.html

#occupytogether #occupyeverywhere #OWS

Ustream - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21796413

Uncensored Activist News - http://activistnews.blogspot.com/

Thanks to Cory777 for the top part of this post.. I saw this and felt it needed a repost in GD

http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/as-mental-health-clinics-face-cuts-the-affected-speak-out/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/us/impact-of-chicago-mental-health-cuts-will-be-clear-soon-on-the-streets.html

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/22/5/110.full


(my comments)
All the people that are affected by bad state policy and the closures and allies,staff,families friends etc...I admire those people fighting to keep the clinics open,to show up in masse and let the assholes know how we feel about THEIR decisions that harm OUR lives

If the clinic closures go nationwide maybe we should get together,walk into the chamber as "observers" Than ask some revealing questions of the political people cutting the clinics face to face,then I'd recommend they SHAME them all. And of course the media would be called and cell phones would record the truth and it would be all over the net.People with mental illness &psychiatric injuries SUFFER ENOUGH.
There was awhile ago an attack on mental health services ,they were closed overnight..nobody knew.
I know if they cut off my access to the clinic I attend, I would have nothing to lose,and I'd be ungodly pissed....Hell,I'm already pissed.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-12-28/health/ct-met-mental-health-closures-20111228_1_community-mental-health-board-public-health-activists-question


"Fight" by the cure.

Sometimes there's nothing to feel
Sometimes there's nothing to hold
Sometimes there's no time to run away
Sometimes you just feel so old
The times it hurts when you cry
The times it hurts just to breathe
And then it all seems like there's no-one left
And all you want is to sleep

Fight fight fight
Just push it away
Fight fight fight
Just push until it breaks
Fight fight fight
Don't cry at the pain
Fight fight fight
Or watch yourself burn again
Fight fight fight
Don't howl like a dog
Fight fight
Just fill up the sky
Fight fight fight
Fight til you drop
Fight fight fight
And never never
Never stop

Fight fight fight
Fight fight fight

So when the hurting starts
And when the nightmares begin
Remember you can fill up the sky
You don't have to give in
You don't have to give in

Never give in
Never give in
Never give in




Posted by undergroundpanther | Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:44 PM (0 replies)

Do NOT attempt to think or depression may result.


Depression's Evolutionary Roots

Two scientists suggest that depression is not a malfunction, but a mental adaptation that brings certain cognitive advantage

There is another possibility: that, in most instances, depression should not be thought of as a disorder at all. In an article recently published in Psychological Review, we argue that depression is in fact an adaptation, a state of mind which brings real costs, but also brings real benefits.
*snip
There is another suggestive line of evidence. Various studies have found that people in depressed mood states are better at solving social dilemmas. Yet these would seem to have been precisely the kind of problems difficult enough to require analysis and important enough to drive the evolution of such a costly emotion. Consider a woman with young children who discovers her husband is having an affair. Is the wife’s best strategy to ignore it, or force him to choose between her and the other woman, and risk abandonment? Laboratory experiments indicate that depressed people are better at solving social dilemmas by better analysis of the costs and benefits of the different options that they might take.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=depressions-evolutionary



So, Depressive ruminating may help solve Social Delimmas. I ruminate over delimmas that affect alot of people depressed or not.So it might be a very important social survival mechanism...Social Delimmas are plenty in our society like war,wall st.,bullies,pollution,inequality,corruption,abuse,sexism,racism,the oppressive corporate powers,our diminishing rights and privacy,why are so many people so narcissistic, sociopathic,manipulating or cruel,etc.etc.

Depression might actually help solve the intractable issues happy people don't want or like to think about?? That's a strange idea,but it also seems possible. Most my life has been spent depressed.I DO ruminate over things alot. I do think deeply,I see things very different than most can tolerate even hearing,except when I'm depressed and talking to other depressed people, it seems we focus on similar issues. I ask why are things the way they are a lot,doubt,question,research think...and sometimes what I find,sometimes other depressed people figure out pieces of solutions while ruminating too. So if Depression is useful for making social change,than,it has a reason to exist.

*snip
One reason to suspect that depression is an adaptation, not a malfunction, comes from research into a molecule in the brain known as the 5HT1A receptor
*snip
Rodents lacking this receptor show fewer depressive symptoms in response to stress, which suggests that it is somehow involved in promoting depression

(stress of being in a traumatic or painful situation,dealing with abusive people maybe)
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"or they(depressed people) have difficulty putting their complex internal struggles into words."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=depressions-evolutionary


Yeah that's so true...So many times people don't grok what I'm trying to say,and get defensive over what I write,and get nasty or try to hijack the threads. But I keep trying to say it regardless of the defensive trolling,here on DU.Why? Because I need to convey what it is I am learning via ruminations to someone,anyone in hopes they understand it,and even better USE it to solve a social delimma. I know when I write here,it gets to more people than those who reply to my posts or try to derail it..This concept of depression, makes sense.

Alot of traumatized people suffer deep depression. A trauma is a personal delimma. Trauma's delimmas maybe shared by many people.Not just depressed ones.But depressed people can't let a painful delimma be denied because of the pain..Depressed people sometimes deal with very deep questions..like asking things like why does life have to suck,why me,why am I alive?

Legit philosophical questions I think.

Hmm This means the you make your own happiness new age crap floating around like the secret might be socially DE-evolutionary,and right wing reactivism.Which is not thinking or rumination over a social delimma.

Shut Up Be Happy by Ice T & Jello Biafra.

We interrupt this program with a special bulletin:
America is now under martial law.
All constitutional rights have been suspended.
Stay in your homes.
Do not attempt to contact loved ones, insurance agents or attorneys.
Shut up.
Do not attempt to think or depression may occur.
Stay in your homes.
Curfew is at 7 PM sharp after work.
Anyone caught outside the gates of their subdivision sectors after curfew
will be shot.
Remain calm, do not panic.
Your neighborhood watch officer will be by to collect urine samples in
the morning.
Anyone caught interfering with the collection of urine examples will be
shot.
Stay in your homes, remain calm.
The number one enemy of progress is questions.
National security is more important than individual will.
All sports broadcasts will proceed as normal.
No more than two people may gather anywhere without permission.
Use only the drugs prescribed by your boss or supervisor.
Shut up, be happy.
Obey all orders without question.
The comfort you've demanded is now mandatory.
Be happy.
At last everything is done for you.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shut-Up-Be-Happy-featuring-Jello-Biafra-lyrics-Ice-T/E7444E919B810DB948256DF80016350F
Posted by undergroundpanther | Sun Apr 8, 2012, 04:59 PM (10 replies)

Why I hate the rich...

Why I hate the rich
Posted by undergroundpanther in General Discussion
Fri Oct 28th 2011, 06:49 PM
On top of the pathological levels of sociopathic indifference they have twords the pain of others,the horrors they perpetrate against others,against the environment and everything else that exists. Despite the fact they want to OWN and CONTROL the world and if they cannot have it all that they'll make damn sure nothing else can live on/in it either. Even regardless of that zero sum ass holiness bullshit they foist upon everyone by hanging price tags on everything but themselves, to make us all pay the rich MORE..Despite their attempts to own or destroy the commons.On top of their systemic abuse of this entire nation cradle to grave. Or the intrusions their fucking companies make into our lives,and the petulant demands found in all levels of the hierarchy they whip into submission via lies,debt and free market bullshit,and the damage to our collective well being that is done to make sure the rich shall never do without a desire unmet,..

I hate them for even more,

They get to have have time,
Most people have NO time because they have been taught they must PAY to EXIST.So they must run to work and to work,school,home eat fast,go to bed late,get up early to get back to work,because wages are 1970's wages and costs have gone far past the 1070's prices.
The rich don't only get time,they have meaningful time, time to enjoy art,theatre and music,time to go socialize in a pleasant place,(Like huge homes with everything you could want in there,money to entertain and be entertained,and country clubs),without being hassled by mall cops or sales people demanding they BUY something to occupy the space. The rich live in ESTABLISHED neighborhoods not atomized suburbs.They can develop a social life.A social life is built up by having free time to enjoy being around others,do fun or interesting things,have a meaningful relationships.The RICH have made sure many of us are so alone.
http://club2.psychologies.co.uk/self/the-l... /

I hate the rich they always have the means to go places I will NEVER EVER see.They are never without transportation,food,medicine, heat.They aren't late on bills,they have a never ending supply,so it is NOTHING to them and because of the disgusting wealth they have they will NEVER be haunted by debt.

The rich get to go to quality schools with low teacher to student ratios that have time to challenge them if they are smart and the motive to pass them if they are not.. The school I went to besides being a hellhole bored me to death.And because bullies took their toll on me unfettered by teachers trying to manage 40+ kids in a class, I never got to aspire to anything, I was too busy trying to survive abuse everyday .That took away my dreams for the future in about the 5th grade. My school never bothered to notice there was something terribly wrong in the school they were obeying some "higher authority" and brown nosing some rich pigs in high places..But if a rich kid if he ever set foot in a public school to begin with ever suffered a bully's cruelty that would have been attended to pronto,a rich kid with political ties in a situation like I faced would have had the entire school bending over backward and sacrificing who knows how many poor students dreams to please those rich connected parents holding power by the purse..

I hate the rich because they never feel the faceless cruelty of poverty,and they are so removed from the consequences of their lifestyles and greed they can see people like you and I as cattle,as disposable,as inferiors.. and they can deem the homeless as lazy .The rich can pretend the homeless want to be homeless,and that they deserve to suffer,for the rich won't suffer one bit,they will sleep at night regardless of how the 99% lives. The rich sleep in the best of beds in the softest of linens,security watching over them like surrogate parents.

The rich,they never have to do without anything or do anything they don't want to do once they are adults,.They have soft perfect hands because the rich have staff to cook the food,wash the dishes.They won't fuck up the budget because they have top notch professionals to manage the paperwork,manage their fucking companies for them,workers to make or do the jobs,as they see the money pour in like never ending manna from heaven. The rich never even have to manage the hassles in maintaining their lives. No budget to speak of,health care,and all the other really insane time occupying BULLSHIT that the 95% of us deal with day in day out (Like repeating over and over your name/dress/date of birth etc. to a fucking machine,or going up a phone tree trying to put you off,to get a number to call to go up ANOTHER damn phone tree until you find the person that can really fix your reason you called.They don't have to worry about forgetting to go wait in line for 3 hours at the DMV to get a little fucking sticker,with 2011,12,13..on it to put on a corner of a license plate to avoid being charged 70 or 80 bucks,or waiting in a ten mile line at a store.They hire people for pennies to do those unsavory tasks.And should that peasant forget to do that task,they can have fun firing them,and that 80 buck fee won't even be noticed.An 80 buck fee over a stupid sticker for many of us might mean no food next week.

I hate the rich because THEY get their organic pure healthy meals DELIVERED to their kitchens where staff cooks it up into beautiful culinary delights.A dinner of mac'n'cheese and tuna mixed in it isn't a culinary delight.It's survival.
A dinner out for the rich can cost 1,000 bucks a shot,a dinner out for me is panera or chinese once a while.

I hate the rich because they'll never experience trying to stay dry in a storm at a bus stop with no shelter hoping the lightening does not hit YOU today.The rich think public transportation is a waste of money,because to the rich it IS. They never need to take it,their drivers are always on call..or they could just take the new benz for a ride.
They'll never have to do the laundry,mow the most stupid thing on earth, the lawn. They'll NEVER be forced to tolerate being in our presence very long,but somehow despite their callous and cruelty aimed at us they get people like us to fawn over them to,cover their ass,and they never ever are called out for being the wastes of skin they really ARE.They never go to REAL jail or have to admit their child is a fucking bully.Why? Why do the rich deserve such velvet glove treatment from the 99% Is it because they have hired other people to make your life more miserable than they've already made it?Why do you never tell them,fuck you I'm not paying you one more dime..because you are aware the pigs will come with guns and take you away? fear losing necessities of life like heat,food medicine to mitigate the damage of pollution on your body,or stress of living in the empire built of exploitation and abuse only they the 1% ever truly enjoy, because it is designed to make you do what the rich don't want to do?

Their houses are beautiful refuges, places they want to live in,and they give the rich a sense of security we wish we could have too. Because they are rich their housing security will never be threatened by a bully landlord, taken away due to taxes they can't pay, or foreclosed by a fucking BANK,unless they want to dispose of it.They'll never have to live next to a abandoned property with boarded up windows and half dead crackheads inside screaming,and guns a blazing all night,or hear some desperate couple that were once so in love tear each other's hearts apart over debt unable to ask what are we gonna do? So terrorized and frustrated by the demands of those with too much money and control operating through a faceless thief called a bank.. The rich,their places to live are THEIRS they will never be evicted.The rich people's houses, all of them,are NEVER left un-repaired from lack of money to fix them. But in poor neighborhoods there is no money and no one that fixes it.The rich can have whatever pets they want,who's gonna tell them they can't have a cat in their own home? But the rich can demand in that special faceless and cold way a desperately lonely and heartbroken person they can't have a cat.No cat for you,poor, to love and purr against your touch starved skin,it's in a lease,break it and you are not only left without a sweet furry face that loves you,you are now without the cat,you are homeless,and still desperately lonely & heartbroken.

And if the rich feel a teeny bit stressed they can call a chauffeur and go to a spa and get massages and have a wonderful meal,go home and cry to their ever attentive staff or go do yoga with a private physical therapist, or go to a PRIVATE shrink who does not have to report,as in fork over everything you said in your "private"therapy sessions to the insurance companies or the state.

I hate the rich because the rich will NEVER be treated like I have been,despite stress bad enough to destroy me.I was depressed threatening nothing,not even speaking loud,I answered the questions,But despite EMT's saying I was ok,and my own counselor, the pigs handcuffed,frogmarched me out of my house and forced me into the back of a squad car with lights and all.I was laying down in the back seat due to a broken knee,the hand cuffs were digging into my the wrists,and I despite being called ok by my counselor and the EMT's I was delivered to a ER scared wondering if I was gonna be sent away.I went though this Because the rich people, are skeered by people who are poor or suffering,and because they encourage reporters to spread this bigoted shit about mental illness and PTSD through the news.Where the 'middle class' hears it over and over gets spooked and I get to be assumed to be DAAAAaangerous,for being so damn sad inside. WTF!? Imagine if a senator's adult son,or a koch brother's niece was treated that way,I bet heads would roll and backs will bend into pretzels to appease such barbarity..The story of that poor man might run on faux news for a week.And all those letters and prayers pouring in from the stupid republican sheep to soothe his tiny troubled heart.

All this happened because because a program that is part of the mental health services for this county has to obey selfish stupid corrupt ass-wipes,in congress falling over themselves to obey wishes of those who are stinking RICH,commanding they cut costs,to enrich themselves,so since congress doesn't want their asses pinched they pass it to the states,The state not wanting to stop sucking the ass of BUsiNESS,and blowing money on highways,instead leave it to the counties to cut the social safety net.The counties upper crusties don't want to feel a pinch so they cut the poor, the rich think we are just cattle and we can't do anything to stop them.So the social safety net is cut more and more so the rich NEVER have to face the fact the greedy create the needy,So the county has to give money to"job creators" to appease the middle class. So the county finds it cost effective cutting funds available to MY county and those cuts made mental health caseworkers working for the county/state take on client loads so huge, they have no time to go visit clients in crisis and help clients in crisis they are hired to help out of a crisis.

I hate the rich because they are NOT at all better quality of people than I am.Not one iota more deserving,fortunate or hardworking or even noble than I or you,yet they get treated as if they were..

I hate them because they assume we should suffer more so THEY never have to suffer at all.
They get to live in a beautiful world because ours is so terrible to endure.

I HATE THE RICH.Why? Because they make me Suffer so they never will have to!!

The 1% ARE the source of 99% of the PROBLEMS the 99% suffer through!

I have -0% pity for the rich.
Posted by undergroundpanther | Mon Jan 16, 2012, 09:40 PM (53 replies)

Just a few thoughts about resistance


When I think of the OWS protests and the cops abusing them,they were tolerating unlawful arrest.

Some of these cases would have been useful I think.

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).


http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm
Posted by undergroundpanther | Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:41 AM (7 replies)

Hello y'all

I is baaack. Missed you all Got my net back and email back. Underground Panther
Posted by undergroundpanther | Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:44 PM (10 replies)
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