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One Big Thing Oliver Stone got right: JFK was pulling US out of Vietnam.

National Security Action Memorandum 263



"I will never send draftees over there to fight."

Is that the same Wikipedia famous for CIA revisions?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/16/us-security-wikipedia-idUSN1642896020070816

Taking Wikipedia's word on Jim Garrison, who said the agency had some kind of role in the assassination of President Kennedy, then would be what's odd.

For those interested in learning more about Garrison:

http://www.joanmellen.net/

Stone does the nation a service by bringing up the things the rightwing prefers we move on from.

How anyone, particularly "progressive, liberal Democrats," can agree with the fictions foisted by Washington and the toadies in Corporate McPravda is startling. It's as if they never heard of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution or WMDs in Iraq.

Oliver Stone, on the book, "JFK and the Unspeakable":

Why does it matter? The death of JFK remains a critical turning point in our history. Those who caused his death were targeting not just a man but a vision -- a vision of peace. There is no calculating the consequences of his death for this country and for the world. Those consequences endure. To a large extent, the fate of our country and the future of the planet continue to be controlled by the shadowy forces of what Douglass calls "the Unspeakable." Only by unmasking these forces and confronting the truth about our history can we restore the promise of democracy and lay claim to Kennedy's vision of peace.


Thank you, MadHound, for an outstanding post.

PS: Here's my 2-cents on the subject:

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

I can't stand conservatives - especially conservative Democrats



Hypocrites and Hypocrites squared.

A Dallas tee vee station recorded JFK leaving Love Field on Nov. 22, 1963...

...it was never shown on national broadcast, for some reason. In the tape, Secret Service Agent Donald Lawton holds up his arms thrice in the classic "What the heck?" gesture. The video indicates SS agent Emory P. Roberts stood up in his car to order Lawton* off the presidential limousine's back bumper, leaving the president unprotected from behind. President Kennedy was murdered a few minutes later.

Video: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/171830/secret_service_jfk /



From Vince Palamara:

An important discovery was made by this correspondent during review of video of the Dallas trip shot by the ABC television affiliate in that city. During the start of the fatal motorcade at Love Field, Secret Service agent Don Lawton begins to jog alongside the presidential limousine. He is immediately called back by his shift leader and commander of the follow-up car detail, Emory P. Roberts.

Lawton's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language: He throws up his arms several times before, during and after the follow-up car passes him. He was not being allowed to do his job -- and it was not JFK who was ordering the stand-down.

Despite the discovery by this correspondent of three reports to the contrary (two by Roberts) written on November 22, 1963, this newly discovered photographic evidence confirms that frustrated and vocal-in-his-objections Rybka did not enter the follow-up car and was left behind at the airport.

Afterward, in William Manchester's book, Death of a President, we see the "official story" of what happened:

"Kennedy grew weary of seeing bodyguards roosting behind him every time he turned around, and in Tampa on November 18 (1963), just four days before his death, he dryly asked Agent Floyd Boring to 'keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of the car.' Boring wasn't offended. There had been no animosity in the remark." (1988 Harper & Row/Perennial Library edition, pp. 37-38)

The thing is PRESIDENT KENNEDY NEVER SAID THAT.

SOURCE:

Agents Go On Record

* Previously, the agent in the photo was incorrectly identified as Henry J. Rybka. According to records, he also was ordered to stay off the car and remain at Love Field. Much "chatter" arose over the misidentification.

You gotta problem wit' dat?

A chosen BFEE few will survive.



Know what I mean, see?

Is survival only for the rich?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9084342&mesg_id=9084342

Justice for JFK



What Can We Do About JFK's Murder?

It's time to demand accountability from the officials who failed to protect the president -- and then spent decades covering up their mistakes.


by Jefferson Morley
The Atlantic, Nov. 21, 2012

As November 22 comes around again, the memory of John F. Kennedy's assassination seems to be fading in America's collective consciousness, save among aging Baby Boomers like myself. Few people younger than me (I'm 54) have any memory of the day it actually happened. 9/11 has replaced 11/22 as the date stamp of catastrophic angst.

Yet that doesn't mean people have stopped looking for answers. The buzz surrounding the release of Jackie Kennedy's private conversations and Tom Hanks' upcoming Dallas movie shows that the public is still seeking new theories and clues. Two years ago on this site, I tried to answer the question "What Do We Really Know About JFK?" With the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination approaching next year, the time for conspiracy theories has passed and the time for accountability is coming. Now is the time to ask, "What can we do about JFK's assassination?"

For one thing, we can use the Internet. The World Wide Web has birthed many conspiracy theories (most of them easily debunked), but it has also made the historical record of JFK's murder available to millions of people outside of Washington and the federal government for the first time. I have to believe this diffusion of historical knowledge will slowly clarify the JFK story for everybody.

CONTINUED w links...

http://m.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/what-can-we-do-about-jfks-murder/265520/

Outstanding post, bvar22, in every way.

Thank you for putting it down in words. The side-show artistes, who most loudly and automatically proclaim "nothin' to it conspiracy nonsense" whenever the subject of electronic vote fraud comes up, succeed merely by derailing discussion from what truly matters: verified voting with a citizen-counted paper trail. Those who have lost their lives working on the process and related matters include Athan Gibbs and Michael Connell.

Did President Obama campaign on behalf of Elizabeth Warren?

I know he endorsed her a few weeks before the election.

Either way, I'm going to do all I can to help her and him -- including letting them know when they're off on the wrong track or supporting the wrong cause or person.

For instance, Cass Sunstein, the guy who led the effort to forgive Bush, Cheney and the rest of the warmongers who lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars.

FDR Thought ALL Americans Entitled to the Economic Bill of Rights



On January 11, 1944, in the midst of World War II, President Roosevelt spoke forcefully and eloquently about the greater meaning and higher purpose of American security in a post-war America. The principles and ideas conveyed by FDR's words matter as much now as they did over sixty years ago, and the Franklin D. Roosevelt American Heritage Center is proud to reprint a selection of FDR's vision for the security and economic liberty of the American people in war and peace.

“The Economic Bill of Rights”

Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union


It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.


All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.

Source: The Public Papers & Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt (Samuel Rosenman, ed.), Vol XIII (NY: Harper, 1950), 40-42

12 How. 152: “Necessitous men,” says the Lord Chancellor, in Vernon v Bethell, 2 Eden 113 (1762), “are not, truly speaking, free men; but, to answer a present emergency, will submit to any terms that the crafty may impose on them.”

 
SOURCE: http://www.fdrheritage.org/bill_of_rights.htm


 
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