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No human purpose.

"Money trumps peace." -- George Walker Bush

Nothing funny about mocking people interested in learning and sharing the Truth.

Isn't the Truth the essence of Democracy?

That's why, when it comes to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, I would think DUers in particular, would be interested in learning what's new, particularly in light of all that's been learned since the CIA and FBI lied to government investigators about their relationships with Oswald, as well as in regards to their own negligence in protecting the life of the liberal Democratic president.

For those who want to learn, here's what I brought back from ''Passing the Torch'' at Duquesne:

Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?

JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People

After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.

JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings

JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee

JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963

JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford

Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM

Machine Gun Mouth

One important thing I learned on DU since Duquesne that I've never seen any of my critics on DU address is that ever since Dulles hired NAZIs and contracted the Mafia for his secret agenda, there's been corruption within the government of the United States.

When Jim Garrison pointed out its relevancy to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, President Lyndon B Johnson said he agreed that there was a conspiracy and CIA had something to do with it (note last paragraph):


I would think this, too, would be on the front page and leading the newscasts every day until the surviving traitors, warmongers and banksters who've benefited were imprisoned. However, those interested in Justice for JFK are told to "Move on" and it's business as usual; meaning the rich get richer, our rights continue to vanish, and democracy falls victim to wars without end.

In my opinion, the biggest cowards are those who go along with that in silence, hoping they will survive another day as the servants of traitors.

You need Extra Strength Preparation J.

Real Journalism in the Raw:



Greg Palast

Center for Investigative Reporting

Citizens for Truth about the Kennedy Assassination

JFK Facts

TUC Radio



Common Dreams



World Socialist Web Site


You probably got all those, madfloridian. ETA: Please add to them and we will build a better list. It's just nice to put them down so everyone can see and use them.

For those new to the story of how a few can get the many to do what the few want:

Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda

The Attack on Democracy

The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.

John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.

Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.

This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.

SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html

If you find a moment, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) on Carey.


A guide to understanding what we hear on the television screen and most everywhere else:

The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making

Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.

Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis

Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy – as in true democracy – places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society – locally and globally.

From the late 19th century on, the “threats” to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.


The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the “public” and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.

The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and “experts” armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape America’s “democratic propaganda” throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.



As was related earlier today on DU: Let's make hay before Net Parity or whatever it's called kicks us all off democracy's last remaining medium.

800,000 troops.

Guess they'll have to reinstate the draft for that kind of operation. Wonder if they'd raise taxes?

No wonder Dulles Brothers sold Ike on using CIA for AJAX and cost effective theft.

How the NSA Helps the US Assassinate (Greenwald / Scahill)

Greenwald/Scahill: How the NSA Helps the US Assassinate

In their first piece written for their new media venture, journalist duo reveal shocking interplay between digital surveillance and Obama's assassination program

- Jon Queally, staff writer
Published on Monday, February 10, 2014 by Common Dreams

In the first investigative piece co-written for their new media venture, journalists Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill on Monday published a much-anticipated story—based on eye-witness accounts and leaked documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden—describing how the National Security Agency uses its digital surveillance capabilities to assist the CIA and Pentagon as they carrying out controversial overseas assassinations ordered by President Obama.

Published under the masthead of 'The Intercept' at their new First Look website, Greenwald and Scahill report:

The National Security Agency is using complex analysis of electronic surveillance, rather than human intelligence, as the primary method to locate targets for lethal drone strikes – an unreliable tactic that results in the deaths of innocent or unidentified people.

According to a former drone operator for the military’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) who also worked with the NSA, the agency often identifies targets based on controversial metadata analysis and cell-phone tracking technologies. Rather than confirming a target’s identity with operatives or informants on the ground, the CIA or the U.S. military then orders a strike based on the activity and location of the mobile phone a person is believed to be using.

The drone operator, who agreed to discuss the top-secret programs on the condition of anonymity, was a member of JSOC’s High Value Targeting task force, which is charged with identifying, capturing or killing terrorist suspects in Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

His account is bolstered by top-secret NSA documents previously provided by whistleblower Edward Snowden. It is also supported by a former drone sensor operator with the U.S. Air Force, Brandon Bryant, who has become an outspoken critic of the lethal operations in which he was directly involved in Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.

The explosive story about the relationship between the NSA, CIA, JSOC, and the White Houes which executes individuals abroad—including American citizens—was first mentioned by Scahill in Septembt of last year when he announced discussions between himself, Greenwald, and eBay co-founder Pierre Omidyar to launch their own journalistic enterprise.

Appearing to fulfill their goal of providing a more adversarial form of journalism than their mainstream counterparts, the NSA refused to respond to questions posed by Scahill and Greenwald for their investigation. However, Caitlin Hayden, a spokesperson for the National Security Council, did release a statement explaining the government's position that “the type of operational detail that" upon which their questions were based "in our view, should not be published.”

Read the entire First Look story here.

Strikingly, on the same day as the Scahill/Greenwald article was published, an Associated Press story—citing numerous "unnamed" U.S. officials—posited as a dilemma the White House's pending decision to possibly assassinate an American citizen living overseas who the government accuses of being a member of al-Qaeda.

In contrast to not speaking with Greenwald and Scahill, the government officials—hiding behind provided anonymity—seemed very willing to give away lots of potentially telling information about the alleged U.S. target.

According to AP:

Four U.S. officials said the American suspected terrorist is in a country that refuses U.S. military action on its soil and that has proved unable to go after him. And President Barack Obama's new policy says American suspected terrorists overseas can only be killed by the military, not the CIA, creating a policy conundrum for the White House.

Two of the officials described the man as an al-Qaida facilitator who has been directly responsible for deadly attacks against U.S. citizens overseas and who continues to plan attacks against them that would use improvised explosive devices.

But one U.S. official said the Defense Department was divided over whether the man is dangerous enough to merit the potential domestic fallout of killing an American without charging him with a crime or trying him, and the potential international fallout of such an operation in a country that has been resistant to U.S. action.

Another of the U.S. officials said the Pentagon did ultimately decide to recommend lethal action.

The officials said the suspected terrorist is well-guarded and in a fairly remote location, so any unilateral attempt by U.S. troops to capture him would be risky and even more politically explosive than a U.S. missile strike.

Under new guidelines Obama addressed in a speech last year to calm anger overseas at the extent of the U.S. drone campaign, lethal force must only be used "to prevent or stop attacks against U.S. persons, and even then, only when capture is not feasible and no other reasonable alternatives exist to address the threat effectively." The target must also pose "a continuing, imminent threat to U.S. persons" — the legal definition of catching someone in the act of plotting a lethal attack.

The Associated Press has agreed to the government's request to withhold the name of the country where the suspected terrorist is believed to be because officials said publishing it could interrupt ongoing counterterror operations.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the classified drone targeting program publicly.

SOURCE w/more links: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/10-0

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Jack Sarfatti, Weird Science

Some ideas are more active than others.


Don't will it so, just know it will be so.

If by 'evil' you mean a government in service to the richest people in the world...

...who amass untold fortune from wars without end, yes.

If they themselves labor in service to Satan, that is debatable.

There needs to be a top-to-bottom investigation.

The two judges and their scheme are but parts of a larger criminal conspiracy. On occassion, parts of it are revealed:

Jerry Sandusky, as Legal Schnauzer details, was operating in the same state.

A US Attorney from Florida, Roy Atchison, connected to the Alabama GOP, committed suicide rather than explain why he was in Detroit to molest what he thought was a 5-year-old.

US Senator Lamar Alexander's chief of staff, Ryan Loskarn, commits suicide rather than explain why he had all the child porn.

US Representative Mark Foley quits Congress rather than explain why he was dreaming romantically of teen-age pages while leading the Congressional subcommittee on Missing and Exploited Children.

Anyone see a pattern of some seriously messed up dots here?

Melting Constitutions

“The Persistence of Liberty, Salvador Dalí”

Stole his way in, with Poppy and William Casey and the Ayatollah.

Robert Parry of ConsortiumNews has documented the story:


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