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Since Nov. 22, 1963, it's been full-throttle: 'Money trumps peace'

Consider the link between Vietnam and Gulf War II.

War for profit. War for power.

Rich get richer. The rest of us get penured.

And the NAZIs? Forgeddaboudem.

PS: A lot of those links contain busted links. Anyone interested in learning more can plug the names and events into the GOOGLE and be amazed at the vital stories Corporate McPravda, let alone academia, seem to have missed.

PPS: Thank you infinitely for your post, Judi Lynn.

PPPS: Have you met my official mascot?

It's Dude the Wrestling Chihuaha™.

Unicorns? Almost as asinine as believing NAZIs had nothing to do with post-war US history.

The connections between the right wing of the United States -- the Pentagon, the Corporations, Wall Street, and Big Money, what Eisenhower called the "Military Industrial Complex" -- and the NAZIs granted asylum in the United States postwar have not been studied to any great degree by the nation's mass media, nor by much of academia, nor by much of official Washington, nor by your tag team.

Yet, the connections are there. They also are there in regards to the Kennedy assassination.

Incredible intelligence who could teach humans many, many lessons on compassion.

Remember the little boy who was mistakenly attacked by a Killer Whale in Alaska?

Boy's orca encounter short, scary

Whale researchers say it was highly unusual for a killer whale to bump a 12-year-old boy splashing in shallow water near Ketchikan. Ellis Miller found himself...

By The Associated Press

KETCHIKAN, Alaska — Whale researchers say it was highly unusual for a killer whale to bump a 12-year-old boy splashing in shallow water near Ketchikan.

Ellis Miller found himself face-to-face with an orca charging at him in 4 feet of water Saturday in Helm Bay. The animal, estimated to be more than 25 feet long, bumped but did not bite him.

"I looked underwater and there was this huge head right in front of me," Ellis told the Ketchikan Daily News.


The whale bumped Ellis on the left side of his chest and shoulder, then arched around him.

"Ellis was in the middle, and he was totally surrounded," Kathy Arntzen said.

She reached forward and grabbed Ellis as the pressure wave caused by the whale's rapid advance swept them toward the beach.

"Within a second we were on the shore," Kathy said. "We got out fast."

The episode lasted about five seconds, they said.

As the orca returned to deeper water, six more killer whales surfaced near the beach.

They swam along the beach for 100 yards or so and then returned. They swam back and forth several times. On the last pass, the largest orca rolled onto its side, raised a pectoral fin and smacked the water about five times. Then it hit the water with its tail. The other whales followed in a line and began doing the same.

"It was like the whole bay was boiling at this point," Kathy Arntzen said. "They were up and down and making noise. ... It was like they were signaling us."



Wish humans were as intelligent.

What condescending horse manure...

stopbush: "I would suggest that your inabilities as a shooter have nothing to do with Oswald's expertise as a shooter."

What the experts who disagree with the lone nut theory have to say about Dale Myers, the computer history generator guy.

BTW, this is the view from the TSBD if the Secret Service had stayed on the car:

But, they were ordered off at Love Field.

PS: The agent throwing up his hands in apparent disgust upon being ordered off the bumper at Love Field was Donald J. Lawton, not Henry J. Rybka as originally identified.

We're in contact with uncontrolled chemicals

Who needs regulations?

We're in contact with uncontrolled chemicals

By SANDY BAUERS | The Philadelphia Inquirer
PHILADELPHIA — In testimony before a Senate subcommittee, Ken Cook spoke passionately about 10 Americans who were found to have more than 200 synthetic chemicals in their blood.

The list included flame retardants, lead, stain removers, and pesticides the federal government had banned three decades ago.

"Their chemical exposures did not come from the air they breathed, the water they drank, or the food they ate," said Cook, president of the Environmental Working Group, a national advocacy group.

How did he know?

The 10 Americans were newborns. "Babies are coming into this world pre-polluted with toxic chemicals," he said.



Bill Moyers talked about this phenomenon, chemical body burden.

Thank Goodness for McClatchy, whose reporters picked up on it. But, that's about it from the nation's free press.

How about your media sources? Anyone wanna insult an advertiser?

When will you get around to actually contribute to the thread, zappaman?

Going by what you post: Never.

Anyone can read above and see what I said* and how you misrepresent it.

That says loads about...you.

*I don't know if Oswald was a hero or not.

Why I think that: Lee Harvey Oswald was murdered while in police custody before anyone could ask him how the heck he ended up working in the Texas School Book Depository a couple of weeks before the motorcade made a hairpin turn just outside the front window. That was only four months after Oswald was arrested in New Orleans for disturbing the peace after a scuffle with members of DRE, the Directorio Revulicionario Estudiantil, a CIA-financed fiercely anti-Castro militant group. Nor do we know why he was New Orleans' only member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

Something we couldn't of asked Oswald what the deal was with the CIA paymaster who testified to the HSCA that Oswald was CIA. Nor can we ask him what his relationship, if any, was to George Joannides, the CIA case officer charged with overseeing DRE. Something else, it appears that Joannides had worked with Gen. Edwin Walker, the man President Kennedy "admonished" for calling President Truman and First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt "pink" and supposedly was targeted by Oswald before the assassination.

The problem isn't with what is the truth about Oswald, or what I think about him. Much of the truth we may never know, but we should work to learn the truth. The major problem lies with people who have no interest in the truth. They, like you, zappaman, only are interested in derailing discussion about the assassination of President Kennedy. That's also why you and they are no heroes.

If the Secret Service planned that turn they were criminally negligent or part of the plot.

Either way, people should have gone to jail. Yet, nothing happened.

Here's physical evidence for the latter: Videotape shot at Love Field on November 22, 1963 clearly shows Secret Service Agent Donald Lawton holding up his arms thrice in the classic "What the heck?" gesture. The video also shows SS agent Emory P. Roberts standing up in the follow-up car to order Lawton* off the presidential limousine's back bumper, leaving the president unprotected from behind. President Kennedy was murdered a few minutes later.

Video: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/171830/secret_service_jfk /

From Vince Palamara:

An important discovery was made by this correspondent during review of video of the Dallas trip shot by the ABC television affiliate in that city. During the start of the fatal motorcade at Love Field, Secret Service agent Don Lawton begins to jog alongside the presidential limousine. He is immediately called back by his shift leader and commander of the follow-up car detail, Emory P. Roberts.

Lawton's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language: He throws up his arms several times before, during and after the follow-up car passes him. He was not being allowed to do his job -- and it was not JFK who was ordering the stand-down.

Despite the discovery by this correspondent of three reports to the contrary (two by Roberts) written on November 22, 1963, this newly discovered photographic evidence confirms that frustrated and vocal-in-his-objections Rybka did not enter the follow-up car and was left behind at the airport.

Afterward, in William Manchester's book, Death of a President, we see the "official story" of what happened:

"Kennedy grew weary of seeing bodyguards roosting behind him every time he turned around, and in Tampa on November 18 (1963), just four days before his death, he dryly asked Agent Floyd Boring to 'keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of the car.' Boring wasn't offended. There had been no animosity in the remark." (1988 Harper & Row/Perennial Library edition, pp. 37-38)



Agents Go On Record Yet, someone in a position of authority was interested in creating that impression.

* Previously, the man in the photo was incorrectly identified as Secret Service agent Henry J. Rybka. According to records, he also was ordered to stay off the car and remain at Love Field. Much "chatter" arose over the misidentification. Of course, were it not for someone preserving the videotape, few would ever know anything about this important evidence for conspiracy.

Look up in the sky and remember today: A REAL Trifecta

If skies are clear where you are: a reminder to go out and take a look at the moon and Jupiter.
At 11 p.m. ET or so, they won't appear so close together in the sky until 2026.

Today has been a real trifecta:

The inaugural of President Obama

The celebration of the life of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. National Day of Service

The appulse of Jupiter and the Moon.

It's a sight that may help you remember today 13 years from now and, I sincerely hope for all, farther down the road than that.

To borrow the immortal words of Dr. Jack Horkheimer, "Keep looking up." The skies are beautiful in Detroit tonight.

The family must have the strongest of hearts to carry the burden of what they know.

Fifty years, this November 22. They carry it in their hearts. People who believe justice has not been served in the assassination also share the weight.

Going from the news Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Rory Kennedy conveyed about their father's thinking, where they revealed he was aware of the connections between organized crime and Jack Ruby:

I wonder if Attorney General Kennedy was aware on that very day of the assassination someone sent by CIA deputy director of plans Richard Helms to meet with a man recruited to assassinate Fidel Castro had been instructed to convey that the meeting was sanctioned by President Kennedy and the attorney general.


(Chapter VII of Deep Politics II: Oswald, Mexico, and Cuba)

Peter Dale Scott


The AMLASH 1963 Project as a CIA Revolt Against Presidential Policy

Much has been written (albeit inconclusively) about Robert Kennedy's angry reaction on learning that the CIA had used Giancana in an operation, how he ordered CIA in May 1962 to clear such operations in future with the Justice Department, and how the CIA failed to do so.(28) The Democratically-controlled Church Committee assembled much evidence on the question of Bobby Kennedy's knowledge but was inconclusive. We shall soon see that the issue is an important one. From my own reading of the evidence I would conclude:

1. Robert Kennedy (and probable his brother John) had known of these plots from as early as May 22, 1961, if not earlier.(29)

2. It is possible, if not certain, that both Kennedys, although not officially informed of these assassination plots, continued by their non-intervention to tolerate them, up to March 1963.(30)

3. After March 1963, and particularly after a new Cuban policy memorandum of April 21, 1963, the Kennedys neither knew of nor sanctioned by silence such plots. On the contrary, Bobby's Justice Department warned on March 30 it would crack down hard on Cuban exile activities launched from U.S. territory. And a new set of Presidential policy options explored in April and May led to the reasonable finding, by a committee of the National Security Council that U.S. interests were not likely to be served by Castro's death.(31)

This does not seem to have deterred the CIA. On the contrary, the ClA's conduct of the Cubela (GOULASH) operation in late 1963, unambiguously, has the earmarks of a hostile revolt against Presidential authority and policy.


This first coincidence of dates may have been fortuitous. Less excusable is the unauthorized decision of Richard Helms and Desmond FitzGerald to have FitzGerald present himself to Cubela on October 29 as a personal representative of Robert Kennedy, especially since FitzGerald proceeded to discuss an assassination plot against Castro which the Kennedys almost certainly knew nothing about. October 29 was just five days after the President had met personally with Jean Daniel, and given him a personal message to transmit to Fidel Castro. Robert Kennedy had just authorized the Attwood accommodation initiative from which the CIA was being excluded. Crudely put, Helms and FitzGerald chose unilaterally to represent Robert Kennedy, precisely at a time when they could not know what he wanted, or was up to: a time when there was a distinction and potential divergence between CIA and Kennedy interests.

That the CIA was well aware of this distinction was unconsciously revealed in 1976 by FitzGerald's assistant Samuel Halpern. Halpern was deposed by the Schweiker-Hart Subcommittee, who had learned that two senior CIA officers had counseled FitzGerald against the security risk of a personal meeting with Cubela. Halpern discounted the danger that the FitzGerald-Cubela meeting "exposed the CIA to possible embarrassment, because Fitzgerald had not used his real name and, therefore, AMLASH would have been unable to identify Fitzgerald as a CIA officer."38)

Only Robert Kennedy would be embarrassed, in other words. This indeed would seem to be the most rational intention of such an unprofessional and disloyal meeting. Both Kennedys were lending support to explorations which promised (or alternatively, threatened) to lead to an accommodation with Castro. Those initiatives could only be harmed by FitzGerald's discussion of assassinating Castro with a suspected leaker or double-agent, while claiming to be a representative of Robert Kennedy.

The same Samuel Halpern has argued that the CIA, far from being disloyal to Robert Kennedy in this operation, had in fact gained his explicit approval informally. In the words of John Davis,

Since Kennedy and FitzGerald often met socially and at work, there was no need for formal authorization. The attorney general's approval could just as easily have been conveyed informally and be far less risky for all concerned. This opinion was confirmed by former CIA official, Samuel Halpern, who in 1963 had been executive assistant to the Task Force on Cuba and one of the four men directly involved in the AM/LASH operation. In an interview on November 18, 1983, Mr. Halpern told me that he was absolutely certain that 'Des" FitzGerald "had full authorization from Attorney General Kennedy and President Kennedy to proceed with the AM/LASH plot against Castro," adding that he always felt that since they often met socially, Bobby Kennedy and "Des" FitzGerald conducted most of their business together at Washington cocktail parties and receptions, rather than in their respective offices.(39)

There is a germ of truth underlying this false allegation. Robert Kennedy had indeed authorized the AMTRUNK political operation which the IG Report relates to the AMLASH (Cubela) initiative. AMTRUNK was an ambitious attempt to promote a military coup within Cuba, using assets such as Major Ramon Guin whom Cubela contacted (IG Report, 86). As Helms rightly testified to the Church Committee in 1975, he "had pre-existing authority to deal with AM/LASH regarding 'a change of government' (as opposed to assassination)."40)

But Halpern and Davis seem to have missed the point: namely, that FitzGerald and Helms never presented the Cubela initiative to their superiors as an assassination operation. It is indeed likely, almost certain, that the CIA had authorization to proceed with the political initiative. But that it had authorization to involve Robert Kennedy's name and authority in an assassination plot with a notorious leaker, at a time when the Kennedys were attempting to open discussions with Castro, is virtually unimaginable. Both Fitzgerald and Helms later denied that the AMLASH operation contemplated assassination.(4l) It seems clear that Kennedy's authorization for AMLASH would have been limited to what they described it as. an attempt to find a group to replace Castro.



Thank you, triplepoint, for the very interesting videos and information. I've been going through them over the past few days and am amazed at the various levels of complexity in the crime, cover-up, and search for truth. I very much appreciate that you have stood up for justice. A most hearty welcome to DU!

Why did the FBI destroy the note Oswald left for SA James HOSTY?

The FBI destroyed evidence -- obstructed justice -- when Special Agent James P. Hosty destroyed a note wriiten by Lee Harvey Oswald and left at the Dallas FBI office 13 days before the assassination of President Kennedy. A secretary who received the note from Oswald read it and told the House Select Committee on Assassinations that it contained a threat to blow up the FBI in Dallas. In her words, Oswald's "letter" read: ("I will either blow up the Dallas Police Department and the FBI office.". Hosty said its contents were of a "non-violent" nature, directed toward him because he had interviewed Marina Oswald when Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't home.

The FBI destroying this note is just one of many examples of important information that the FBI excluded from reporting to the Warren Commission. Other government agencies also withheld important information from the Warren Commission include the Secret Service and the CIA.

What was in the note Hosty destroyed upon hearing Oswald was dead? Oswald could have been warning the FBI about the upcoming assassination. Because the FBI destroyed evidence, we probably will never know for certain what was really in the note. Oswald might have even been trying to do something heroic. That, you wouldn't know, zappaman.

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