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Petition for Justice for 13yr old Andy Lopez shot by police


Witnesses Harassed for contradicting sheriff - 13yr old Andy Lopez shooting

“We are aware that there were witnesses that the police never interviewed, there have been witnesses that have been harassed after speaking to the media and there are other citizens stepping forward about the mental state of Erick Gelhaus.


I had a feeling this would happen being it was in a "Brown Neighborhood"

How shooting an Unarmed 13yr old Boy became legal

This really shocked me to find out

Once the officer has decided to arrest, detain or perform an investigatory stop - the Citizen's Rights to Due Process Ends at that point.

And I learned an new Buzz Phrase - "Waste Band Shootings"

The old standard was a substantive due process four part test which was to determine if the use of force “shocked the conscience”: “(1) the need for the application of force; (2) the relationship between that need and the amount of force that was used; (3) the extent of the injury inflicted; and (4) ‘[w]hether the force was applied in a good faith effort to maintain and restore discipline or maliciously and sadistically for the very purpose of causing harm.’”

That seems pretty straightforward from a public perspective, because it is a I-know-it-when-I-see-it criteria. The court in Graham v. Connor found that an objective standard based on Fourth Amendment seizure jurisprudence was more applicable to police use of force, since the civilians was essentially being seized, and thus ruled:

“Today we make explicit what was implicit in Garner’s analysis, and hold that all claims that law enforcement officers have used excessive force — deadly or not — in the course of an arrest, investigatory stop, or other ‘seizure’ of a free citizen should be analyzed under the Fourth Amendment and its ‘reasonableness’ standard, rather than under a ‘substantive due process’ approach.”


The gives police here in Calif a lot of wiggle room because ALL investigations of Officer Involved Shootings are kept secret - BY LAW

Its only in a few cases around the country where citizens have video taped police actions that these actions are ever challenged

My advice to American Citizens is once you see officers - START RECORDING

The life you save my be your child's

Licensed to Kill: The Growing Phenomenon of Police Shooting Unarmed Citizens

Here's a recipe for disaster: Take a young man (or woman), raise him on a diet of violence, hype him up on the power of the gun in his holster and the superiority of his uniform, render him woefully ignorant of how to handle a situation without resorting to violence, train him well in military tactics but allow him to be illiterate about the Constitution, and never stress to him that he is to be a peacemaker and a peacekeeper, respectful of and subservient to the taxpayers, who are in fact his masters and employers.

Once you have fully indoctrinated this young man (or woman) on the idea that the police belong to a brotherhood of sorts, with its own honor code and rule of law, then place this person in situations where he will encounter individuals who knowingly or unknowingly challenge his authority, where he may, justifiably or not, feel threatened, and where he will have to decide between firing a weapon or, the more difficult option, adequately investigating a situation in order to better assess the danger and risk posed to himself and others, and then act on it by defusing the tension or de-escalating the violence.


I'm not the only one concerned, either. Indeed, I've been contacted by many older cops equally alarmed by the attitudes and behaviors of younger police today, the foot soldiers in the emerging police state. Yet as I point out in my new book, A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, this is what happens when you go from a representative democracy in which all members are subject to the rule of law to a hierarchical one in which there is one set of laws for the rulers and another, far more stringent set, for the ruled.


The reason why we have so many Unarmed Citizens being shot by police

Definitely worth the time to read

A whole cottage industry has sprung up of police experts and training specialists, such as the Force Science Institute, who educate departments and officers throughout the country that waiting for the gun to come out is too late. As Professor Ross argues, logically, there will have to be a nexus between the officer’s stated belief as to what occurred and his actions in response, but in my view that nexus can get awfully shaky but still withstands official scrutiny.

But Ross comes from the camp which stands solidly behind Graham v. Connor.He is not alone in mindset when he suggests that department policies and training “should direct an officer to respond to the pre-assault threat cues of an assault without waiting for the actual assault to commence.” That’s right — shoot to kill because you think you will be assaulted at some point in the near future.

Thus we have a condition where the law allows use of deadly force on nothing but the perception that its use is justified and a condition where that belief is proven with nothing more than the statements of the involved officer. In some cases, such as this weekend in North Carolina, it is abundantly clear that the officer was not being reasonable; but that is the rare exception. Proving that an officer is not telling the truth if he chooses to lie is even more of a challenge.


And they want to outlaw airsoft guns once more as if that will help

The problem is systemic within the police community

One in three police shootings involve unarmed people

Holly Shit Batman

Law enforcement officers in Harris County have shot 65 unarmed people since 1999, killing 17. These incidents represent more than a third of all local police shootings, but experts call them the most preventable.

After two unarmed teenagers were shot and killed in separate incidents last year, the Houston Chronicle analyzed 189 shootings by officers from 18 local law enforcement agencies in the past 5 1/2 years.

Officers' actions were ruled justified in nearly all of the shootings examined. A shooting can be legally acceptable if an officer believes someone's life is in danger.

But only half of those shot by police carried a gun or a knife. Another 7 percent held another object, such as a screwdriver, a piece of lumber or a pipe.

Of course it goes on to say nearly ALL of the shooting were declared legal by the Police Dept.

Is a Pet Dog Really Killed by a Police Officer Every 98 Minutes?

Is a Pet Dog Really Killed by a Police Officer Every 98 Minutes?

In November 2012, police officers in Commerce City, Colorado, received a call about a large dog roaming free in a subdivision. Unbeknownst to the police or the caller, Chloe, a large, three-year-old mixed breed, was not an intruder. A woman in the neighborhood was dog-sitting for a friend, and Chloe had flown the coup.

Eventually, police and an animal control officer cornered the anxious dog in an open garage. A cell phone video shows them debating what to do as Chloe sat and watched. Eventually, one of the officers tasered Chloe. She fell over, then began to run away. As Chloe attempted to flee, an animal control employee snagged her with a catch pole. That should have been the end of the story, except Commerce City Police Officer Robert Price proceeded to shoot Chloe four times with his service weapon, alarming the animal control worker and killing the dog.

Cops shooting dogs when they arguably don't need to is called "puppycide" by opponents (naturally). Animal rights activists and civil libertarians say these shootings are widespread, a result of officers having little-to-no training on how to deal with dogs.


Blaming a 13yr old holding a toy is like blaming the Rape Victim for wearing a dress

Its the delusional SOB jumping to conclusions in his head who is at fault

What we do know is witnesses claim the officers only shouted drop the weapon once from inside their car. The officers failed to identify their selves as law enforcement as prescribe by Supreme Court Decisions governing lawful use of deadly force. The victim was given No Time to drop the toy. Andy Lopez was breaking no laws.

So when some one perceives in their own mind they have a Adult Gang Banger out on a mission with a REAL Weapon before they even approach the scene - THEY and they alone have acted/assumed improperly and are 100% at fault

just the same as if they see a woman wearing a dress and perceive "She Wants it" and Rape her

Woman killed in officer-involved shooting

Woman killed in officer-involved shooting

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - A woman is dead after an officer-involved shooting early Thursday morning on the streets of Santa Fe.

Residents woke up to gunfire just after 1 a.m. along Camino Carlos Rey.

Santa Fe police are working alongside New Mexico State Police to figure out exactly what happened.

State Police released the identity of the woman who was killed. She is 39-year-old Jeanette Anaya of Santa Fe.


Answers still few in police shooting of Asheville teen

Answers still few in police shooting of Asheville teen

ASHEVILLE - Samuel Tyson remembers the shouting that woke him on the morning of Sept. 29.

There were multiple voices, and they sounded like commands, although he couldn’t make out what was being said most of the time. But Tyson heard one officer’s statement clearly.

“If I see you, I’m going to shoot,” the 21-year-old UNC Asheville student recalls hearing from his second-floor apartment.

Later came the crack of a single gunshot.


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