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I am getting bombarded with ads for WI Dem candidate hoping to replace Johnson.

I am WI born and raised, but now live in the flatland's, so I am short on real information. Can some of you help me sort out which of the potential candidates deserve support?

Question. Where there arrests in the Michigan Capital takeover?

I am not in MI but I don't remember hearing of any. Please enlighten me.

Florida judge dismisses fraud lawsuit against DNC

Source: Washington Post

A year-long legal battle over the Democratic National Committee’s handling of the 2016 presidential primary came to an end Friday, with a federal judge in Florida dismissing a class-action suit brought by supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

“To the extent Plaintiffs wish to air their general grievances with the DNC or its candidate selection process, their redress is through the ballot box, the DNC’s internal workings, or their right of free speech — not through the judiciary,” Judge William Zloch, a Reagan appointee, wrote in his dismissal. “To the extent Plaintiffs have asserted specific causes of action grounded in specific factual allegations, it is this Court’s emphatic duty to measure Plaintiffs’ pleadings against existing legal standards. Having done so . . . the Court finds that the named Plaintiffs have not presented a case that is cognizable in federal court.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/25/florida-judge-dismisses-fraud-lawsuit-against-dnc/?utm_term=.764c2e35efae

Both Sides DON'T

One side came in army fatigues riot gear and with loaded weapons. The other side came with ideals messages and American flags. One side killed and injured people. The other side caused damage to a bumper with their bodies.
The far right is a much bigger problem then it would otherwise be, because the media does not want to criticize them. The corporate media is as much at fault here as the damned nazis.

How progressives can ( and probably will ) blow the next election

Please prove me wrong, but I think the math of the next election is against electing more progressives to the house and Senate. Here is what I see locally. ( burbs of Chicago).

The DCCC has declared some of the seat as targets. They are out requiting candidates of their own. Not surprisingly the people I suspect kind of look like they are cut from a pattern. Moderates, with a mixed D & R voting record in primaries. They are quickly, after announcing, endorsed by sitting moderate Democrats. Served on the staff of moderate Democrats or some mix of several of these indicators. Still there is great enthusiasm for progressive candidates among the new precinct members. A lot of the new progressive resistance groups have put forth their own candidates. In fact we are lousy with congressional candidates. The trouble with that is math. Anyone the DCCC has chosen is going to have money for 4 color glossy mailers. You may have already seen their facebook adds. The progressives are going to have a lot of people out canvasing, but not all that much money each since their are many of them.

So in my humble opinion what we are going to see is several progressives spiting that wing of the parties vote while the moderate DCCC person waltzes through the primary with a modicum of support and a weak slate of values.We could have a plethora of failed progressive candidate and a demoralized bass of activists, come the general election.

So that is my nightmare scenario. What do we do?

So if Russia really did interfere in the election, why would they stop then?

If the purpose of their interference was to create disunity in the Democratic party is there any reason to think they would stop on the day of the election? Of course not. Are there agent provocateurs here? how about on social media? What woudl they look like in each case?

Trumps "War" against the media.

You're kiddin me right? WAR? Trump received, according to MediaQuant, over $5 Billion in free media. This as compared to HRC's $3 Billion. This is a war against Trump? 30 minutes of air time for Trumps empty podium? That's a war AGAINST him?

Then there is the Comey incident. First he spent 15 minuets giving an announcement that there would be no charges. Well the no charges part was maybe 15 seconds of the announcement. The rest was denouncing Clinton with evidence that was not prosecute-able. Have you ever and I mean ever heard a prosecute go on about someone they were NOT prosecuting? If one had and it was not a public figure that would be reason for a libel suite. This denouncement got plenty of air time by a supposedly Clinton friendly media. Then there was the Comey letter itself. Was there ever such an uproar from the media about so much nothing? Essentially the letter said that someone Hillery Clinton sent emails too, gasp, received them. So F'n what? Did the media make any effort to point that out? NO. Did they make anywhere near the noise about the next weekends "never mind" statement from the FBI? No.

This is a media at war with Trump? We have to (a) stay on the media's back to report honestly and fairly. (b) be our own media as much as we can in our resistance to the Trump University Establishment.

Rant over.

Is there a way to change my user name.

I know I usta could change my user name, but I have been unable to find any such function. Don't really care is I drop my old posts.
Thanks in advance everyone.

So you voted for Stein or Johnson? What did you get for your vote?

It's clear that third party voting did not cause Trump to loose the election. He "won" kinda sorta.

It's far less clear that Hillary Clinton lost due to erosion from third parties. We know that neither Gary Johnson or Jill Stein makes the claim that they are to blame for Clinton's loss. In fact both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson deny they are the cause of Hilary's loss.
Neither third party received the 5% needed for federal funding of their party 4 years from now. Johnson 3.8% Stein less then 1%.
So neither third party is going to have a windfall for party building. Third party's will return to their normal also ran status in four years. Nothing accomplished on this front.

Then you have to ask yourself why aren't Stein and Johnson claiming the messed up the election for Clinton? This is the best outcome either of them could have rationally have hoped for. The BEST! The argument then is one of the large parties should lean toward their stances and so not risk having their election screwed up next time. This isn't happening either.

No third party candidate has ever won in the history of the United States. This leads me to one other factor, the enormous waste of time arguing for third parties on this board and elsewhere. so thanks for that.

If you voted third party you should feel like the right wing played you for a chump, because they did and you were.

Can we at least learn for 2 years from now? I hope so!

Turnout by Latino question. Over 2.5 million deported since Obama took office.

Hillary could not have wrapped herself around Pres Obama any tighter if she was a skin graft. Truth of the matter is especially in high Latino areas it seems many Latinos would know about Pres Obama's deportation record.
Yes I know President Obama likely deported as many as he did in the service of getting a more comprehensive immigration bill through the GOP but that didn't work.
obviously this is even if I am correct only a small portion of the problem. I just wanted to know If others had an thought on this.
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