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Lord North (Prime Minister during the American Revolution)...

...Was widely regarded as the worst Prime Minister of all time.

That was until Theresa May came along. And now we have Boris Johnson who is far, far worse!

I'm pretty fed up with millionaire Brexshitters

.....trying to label anyone who disagrees with them as "elitist", in spite of the fact that very few of us have anything like as much wealth as the likes of Cummings or Rees Mogg. Here and now in 2019 the Brexshitters are the elite.

To be honest though, there are plenty of people on both left and right with some pretty warped ideas about class in the UK, and this does create opportunities for charlatans like Johnson and Cummings.

I do think that Corbyn's proposal should at least be given very strong consideration by remainers

Corbyn's proposal is realistically the best hope of delaying or derailing the disastrous project to leave the EU, and opponents of this madness need to put petty rivalries aside and work together to resolve this. Jo Swinson's proposal of a Kenneth Clarke / Harriet Harman lead government is reasonable, but has to be a plan B in the event of Corbyn's plan falling through.

The biggest problem with Corbyn's proposal is Jeremy Corbyn's unsuitability for high office. However, with a dishonest charlatan currently in Downing Street and the prospect of crashing out of the EU with no deal looming Corbyn has to be the lesser of two evils. I seriously doubt that Corbyn could stay long in Downing Street even in the best circumstances.

Part of the problem here is the approach of Momentum / Labour, who seem more interested in shifting blame for the oncoming disaster and calling everyone else all the names under the sun than in anything else. This in turn creates serious mistrust of Momentum and Labour from the people they need to persuade in order to put Corbyn in Downing Street.

To be honest, the more bile I see thrown by various political factions at present, the more convinced I am that we need major constitutional reform to increase checks and balances. Also to force all the different parties to work together. We have a political culture in the UK based far too much on tribalism and hurling insults. Which makes it very difficult when politicians and their supporters are required to work together!

Congratulations to Jo!!!!

I'm surprised she won by so much as I didn't think there was much in it between her and Ed Davey.

Time to get on with the hard work of electing excellent pro-remain candidates, forging alliances with other pro-remain groups, recruiting disaffected Tories and Labour folk and getting the basics right.

As an example of the sort of thing the Liberal Democrats need to do to progress, the below tweet is from my local ex-Labour, ex-Change UK MP. We need Jo and the rest of the parliamentary party to get people like Angela Smith on board. Won't be easy though.

https://twitter.com/angelasmithmp/status/1153220207361572864

As per usual, Johnson is playing to the gallery here

The gallery in question being an intended audience of well to do Conservative activists with little to no experience of hardship.

Now the good news here is that the idea that work helps with depression has a small amount of truth to it. I can say from experience that being unemployed is a very depressing experience indeed. Although part of what makes being unemployed so depressing is having to deal with shitty government policies dreamt up by hooray henry's in Westminster on a power trip.

The bad news is that Churchill is a poor example here, which shows that Johnson is more interested in grandstanding than in understanding the issue. Johnson clearly does not understand just how demotivating depression is, or how it destroys your confidence. And also he fails to grasp the whole matter of what a stressful work environment does for your mental health. And then there is all the stress and unemployment Johnson's bad nationalist policies will unleash on everyone else.

Many political terms and phrases have been abused to the point of meaninglessness

"Strong Leader" is just such a term. You would think that the Conservatives would have learnt their lesson on this point from Theresa May posing as a strong leader before being exposed as being nothing of the sort. Instead they are doubling down on the worst errors of recent years.

Strong leaders can tell uncomfortable truths to their own side. No leader of the Conservative party has done that since John Major.

On the plus side...

...we now have two very good pro-Remain MEP's from Sheffield representing Yorkshire.

Basically the OAP block vote has gone en mass to Farage's Brexit pity party. Labour and Conservatives have both done very badly.

It's been quite a weird election in that you had Lib Dem's, Greens and Change UK/ TIG all concentrating exclusively on remainers, the far right concentrating exclusively on Leave supporters, Labour trying to please both sides (and failing badly) and the Tories waving a white flag at Nigel Farage. Britain is badly divided and nobody is even trying to unite the nation.

Whilst Theresa May took on a poisoned chalice with the job...

...she failed to stand up to far right and the fantasists on her own side and has taken this country to the brink of meltdown. Her handling of the project to leave the EU has been very poor indeed.

Easily the worst Prime Minister of my lifetime, and probably even worse than Lord North!

I won't be celebrating her demise because the Conservative Party does not appear to be about to elect anyone who would be an improvement.

Tribalism is part of human nature everywhere

However, as someone who lives in a Northern City and has previously lived in the Home Counties and an (admittedly gentrifying) old coal mining area, I can assure you that for the most part Northern Cities are nowhere near as bad for political tribalism as elsewhere in Britain. I used to live down in Essex for example and much of Essex is tribally right wing.

Tribalism has become a major factor in British politics of late. And it's had an entirely negative effect. Too many people out there voting on the basis of spitefulness towards other groups in society instead of who has the best policies.

3 options for Remainers

Liberal Democrats and Greens both have good lead candidates from the city where I live. I know which of the two I will be voting for.

I'm not impressed by the lead candidate for Change / TIG in the region where I live (Yorkshire and the Humber). One of the candidates on their list has just been voted out of the council ward where I live. In spite of having been a longstanding Sheffield councilor he only polled 102 votes!

Labour's policy on the EU is poor, the Tories are abysmal and the less said about the rest the better quite frankly. I wouldn't even describe the Brexshitters as the "WTO lot" as none of them appear to understand what applying for membership of the WTO actually entails.
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