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"Who is the Hillary voter?"

We don't shout.
We show up.
We don't whine.
We win.

Everyday is a Whining Road

Is the Hillary Clinton campaign prepared for the possibility that Bernie Sanders may never actually concede?

Even if Clinton wins big in the New Jersey Democratic primary on June 7 and thus reaches 2,383 delegates* (regardless of the outcome in the California primary that night), it’s difficult to see him throwing in the towel prior to the Democratic convention in Philadelphia, where he has already signaled that he will petition superdelegates to hand the nomination over to him, on the grounds that he is (in theory, anyway) a stronger general-election candidate than Clinton. The dream of unity between Clinton and Sanders after the conclusion of the primaries is unlikely to ever come true: the visceral hatred that Sanders so obviously feels for Clinton is simply not going to dissipate.

As the old joke goes, even Stevie Wonder can see that Sanders is going to have an epic meltdown at the convention if superdelegates reject his request for the nomination. The behavior of Sanders, his campaign staff, and some of his supporters is profoundly disappointing to those who wanted Sanders to play a constructive and healthy role in defining the post-Obama Democratic Party. During the 2008 Democratic primary, Clinton may have said a few undiplomatic words about Obama in the final days of her campaign, but it never seemed as though Clinton personally loathed the future president. Things are much different this time around.

I was disturbed watching Sanders’s interview on CNN’s State of the Union last weekend; Sanders seemed to be filled with a dark rage, an intense bitterness, a scornful tone. Sanders came across as a man who believes he is morally entitled to the Democratic nomination, who looks down upon those who think Clinton would be the party’s best representative, whose soul is now filled with palpable jealousy and contempt for Clinton.

Like Kevin Drum, I have to ask: what happened to Sanders? Why didn’t he remain positive? Why didn’t he and his campaign understand that putting Clinton down wouldn’t raise him up?


Just a reminder: In 2008, Hillary won CA by 10 points and still graciously and faithfully strove for party unity.

Sanders: Democratic primary not "rigged," just "dumb"

"What has upset me, and what I think is -- I wouldn't use the word 'rigged' because we knew what the rules were -- but what is really dumb, is that you have closed primaries, like in New York State, where three million people who were Democrats or Republicans could not participate," Sanders added. "You have a situation where over 400 super delegates came on board Clinton's campaign before anybody else was in the race, eight months before the first vote was cast. That's not rigged, I think it's just a dumb process which has certainly disadvantaged our campaign."

For more of the interview with Sanders, tune into "Face the Nation" tomorrow. Check your local listings for airtimes.


He "wouldn't use the word 'rigged'! Never! He just wouldn't, okay!


There's some great new stuff in Hillary's speech to SEIU today

There are things I haven't heard before, anyway. She trolls Trump hard, then recounts an emotional story about a child. This is a 9 minute clip. I haven't found the whole thing.

John Oliver explains that Hillary won

If you don't have time for the full segment, the portion about Hillary already winning starts at 12:20

He's ready for an angry deluge

NYT op-ed: Do Sanders Supporters Favor His Policies?

.....More detailed evidence casts further doubt on the notion that support for Mr. Sanders reflects a shift to the left in the policy preferences of Democrats. In a survey conducted for the American National Election Studies in late January, supporters of Mr. Sanders were more pessimistic than Mrs. Clinton’s supporters about “opportunity in America today for the average person to get ahead” and more likely to say that economic inequality had increased.

However, they were less likely than Mrs. Clinton’s supporters to favor concrete policies that Mr. Sanders has offered as remedies for these ills, including a higher minimum wage, increasing government spending on health care and an expansion of government services financed by higher taxes. It is quite a stretch to view these people as the vanguard of a new, social-democratic-trending Democratic Party.

Mr. Sanders has drawn enthusiastic support from young people, a common pattern for outsider candidates. But here, too, the impression of ideological commitment is mostly illusory. While young Democrats in the January survey were more likely than those over age 35 to call themselves liberals, their ideological self-designations seem to have been much more lightly held, varying significantly when they were reinterviewed.
For many of them, liberal ideology seems to have been a short-term byproduct of enthusiasm for Mr. Sanders rather than a stable political conviction.

Perhaps for that reason, the generational difference in ideology seems not to have translated into more liberal positions on concrete policy issues — even on the specific issues championed by Mr. Sanders. For example, young Democrats were less likely than older Democrats to support increased government funding of health care, substantially less likely to favor a higher minimum wage and less likely to support expanding government services. Their distinctive liberalism is mostly a matter of adopting campaign labels, not policy preferences........


Bernie people are volunteering to help elect Hillary in OH

Donald Trump Lags Behind Hillary Clinton in Organizing Key State
The presumptive GOP nominee’s slow start in Ohio could undermine his chances of winning the White House

PLAIN TOWNSHIP, Ohio—Though Donald Trump dispensed with his last primary opponent months before Hillary Clinton will, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee trails far behind the leading Democrat in organizing in key general-election states.
Meanwhile, Clinton aides are preparing to open the first campaign office in Columbus and have begun coordinating with the Ohio Democratic Party to recruit an army of volunteers made up of people who backed both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders in the state’s primary.
Mrs. Clinton’s team here is led by Chris Wyant, a veteran of Mr. Obama’s two Ohio campaigns. Last week, Mr. Wyant and another Clinton aide watched as a team of 30 local Democratic Party activists made calls to recruit general election volunteers.

The first sentence of the scripted recruiting pitch asked recipients to “show how unified Democrats are against Donald Trump.”

About half of the activists interviewed at the Stark County Democratic headquarters said they backed Mr. Sanders during Ohio’s primary, but each said they believe they must work to elect Mrs. Clinton.

“The difference between any Democrat and Trump is so spectacular that I had to come help,” said Tony Collins-Sibley, a 54-year-old cabinet maker from Alliance who wore a blue “Bernie 2016” T-shirt as he phoned potential Clinton volunteers. “Hillary is a boilerplate Democrat with all the traditional views.…I’ll work for her.”


Ever gracious...

The WA state convention chose delegates today.

This Sanders delegate concludes these incoherent comments with "F--- Hillary". The rest of the Sanders people in the room hooted and cheered. Who *are* these people?


Then they went all NYC cop v De Blasio and turned their backs on Rep Rick Larson, a superdel, for supporting Hillary. A "public shunning" they call it here. So Amish sometimes! "A thing of beauty" they call it.


Here's Rep Larson being a good sport on Colbert's old 'Better know a district' bit

Hope he kept his sense of humor!

I'm just a boy...standing in front of a girl...


Bloomberg: Sanders, Defiant on the Stump, Quietly Reassures Democrats on Unity

After all the public belligerence, it's encouraging to see this, especially the call to Sen Boxer. After NV, party leaders agreed to let Reid, who is the only Senator close to Sanders (according to reports on the meeting) handle the issue with Bernie. Maybe he's ready to admit the problem?

As tensions were escalating between Bernie Sanders and Democratic Party leaders over the chaos caused by his supporters at a Nevada convention, Dick Durbin got an unexpected call from the Vermont senator.
Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, came away from the conversation on Wednesday convinced that Sanders, who has all but lost the presidential nomination battle to Hillary Clinton, understands the need for party unity and will do his part to defeat presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump.
"We talked about the demonstrations and such," Durbin said Thursday in an interview. "I am convinced, as Bernie has said repeatedly, he is going to be on the team to defeat Donald Trump. I don't have any question in my mind."
Sanders has reached out to multiple Senate colleagues in an attempt to assuage them. Among them is Senator Barbara Boxer of California, whose keynote speech at the Nevada state Democratic convention last weekend was disrupted by rowdy Sanders supporters in a situation she described as frightening and out of control.
Boxer said she conveyed her concerns to Sanders in "a really nice talk" with him Tuesday. "I told him how bad it was in Nevada. He said he was distressed about it, and he expressed chagrin about it. I told him 'Bernie, you need to get a hold of it,' and he said he would.''
"He said, 'I can't believe my people would do this,'" said Boxer, who is stepping down from the Senate in January. "He got the point."

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