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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:24 AM

 

So I was curious at Sanders' 2016 retrun

Yes, the one that he never released in 2016.

https://berniesanders.com/tax-returns/

And no wonder. His income then was more than a million. In 2018 - $560,000. Was interesting that he did not choose to designate $3 to presidential campaign. Most income was from "business" - $790,000 - but there are two schedules C one does not make sense the second adds details. Had he released this document that is now on his website, he would have a lot of explaining..

So I thought, OK, a millionaire , perhaps generous to charity. All of $10,600. At least this year he did chose to give to presidential campaign and donated twice as much $18.950. Obviously was prepared this year.




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Response to question everything (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:34 AM

1. His newfound millionaire status probably explains why he never released his tax returns.

 

Didn't he go on and on about millionaires, billionaires, and oligarchs?
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:39 AM

3. He still does.

 

He wants them to pay more taxes too.
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Response to dogman (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:24 AM

22. Yep

 

I hear the greatest democrat of all was (GASP) a multi millionaire too.

Good old FDR.

He is saving my *** even today in 2019!
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Response to dogman (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:28 PM

48. They almost surely give MORE to charity than Bernie.

 

Bernie's giving, for someone of his wealth, is paltry at best, not hard to beat.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:44 AM

5. His "status" was disclosed in his Senate disclosures in those years.

 

It was no secret. Not here or in the press..

https://efdsearch.senate.gov/search/view/annual/79926514-81b5-4154-9ded-e9b5779dc31d/
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Response to question everything (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:38 AM

2. I beleve you are mistaken.

 

If he had won the nomination in 2016 he would have released his 2015 return. 2015 had an adjusted gross of 240k+. He didn't earn the book money until 2016. Your tax filing is always for the previous year. That is why he released them now so he could release his 2018 return now. You certainly do question every thing.
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Response to dogman (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:49 AM

6. Yes, question EVERYTHING... but, ONLY if it has to do with Bernie.

 

Otherwise, there's no questions asked.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:51 AM

7. People act like this is some big revelation. His book income is disclosed every year

 


As are his assets


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:54 AM

8. Well he better.

 

There is now a crack team of auditors going through his returns right here, right now.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:53 AM

13. Personal homes, even second and third homes, are not included on the Senate Disclosure forms.

 

And neither are bequests or inheritances, such as the property Jane inherited, and they eventually sold.

So, no, his Senate disclosure forms do not disclose all his assets.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:04 AM

15. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about disclosure forms.

 

1) Many assets are estimated within a wide range.

2) Many assets are not required to be disclosed.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:19 AM

16. Is Bernie's book money on his disclosures? Yes or no?

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:30 PM

49. Yes, but the range can be massive and distorted toward the low end. nt

 

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:26 AM

23. Ha!

 

Yes, question EVERYTHING... but, ONLY if it has to do with Bernie.



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:21 PM

27. IKR

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:49 PM

42. Mostly. Because he is the only one running as a Democrat while he is not

 

actually mocking us for falling for him. Again.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:07 PM

71. Are you convinced of this, because

 

there was plenty of questioning about everything Hillary did, and now Harris is questioned for like every decision as Cal. AG and Elizabeth Warren can never live down the Native American thing - and now "people are saying" Beto has no policy and I see a thread already where he is defending his charitable contributions. Biden is already getting it from all sides. No one escapes. Bernie got entitled because Hillary went easy on him but this time he has many challengers.
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Response to treestar (Reply #71)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:00 PM

79. I thought transparency and vetting is a GOOD thing...

 

or, that only applies to Bernie??


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Response to dogman (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:35 PM

32. You are correct. In 2016 he should have filed for 2015

 

Still interesting that he jumped from $240K - I take your number - to $1,062.626 for 2016. $796,858 came from book sale.

Yet for 2018, his AGI is down to $561,421 with business expenses - mostly book royalty of $381,000.

So... when did he write his book(s)?

Yes, I do question everything. You would do the same for Trump, I hope. For Hillary?
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Response to question everything (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:59 PM

40. He wrote 3 books.

 

In 2016,2017, and 2018. The 2018 sales were not revealed earlier as that was in the 2018 filing submitted yesterday. He also is married to wife with a decent income as a professional.
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Response to dogman (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:59 PM

43. And he, and his spouse, are running at least three business entities

 

judging by three different Schedule Cs, for both 2016 and 2018.

In 2016 they were for:
VEDA Commissioner, income = $156
Recording Artist (really?) income = $2521
Book Author, income = $840,485

In 2018 they were for:
Music Royalties, income = $110
Book Royalties Verso (Publishing House?) income = $1810
Book Royalties McMillan, income = $391,000



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Response to question everything (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:44 PM

52. That's pretty simple to see.

 

Show's you why he said it was boring with the books being the highlight. Have you found anything interesting in any of the other candidates tax returns?
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Response to question everything (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:40 AM

4. He also donated the proceeds of one of his books to charity and chose not to take

 

the deduction for it.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:36 PM

50. So was that the $18,000?

 

BTW. If he donated to charity and chose not to take the deduction HOW would YOU know that? I have donated to charity and never took the deduction and NOONE save those reading this now knew. It is simple, you simply don't claim it on your tax filing, but only YOU know that (you don't even have to tell your accountant because once the decision is made, it is irrelevant for tax filings).
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:07 AM

65. Not sure, someone else had commented that he had said that. However, 18,000 is sure a lot

 

more than $1166.
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Response to question everything (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:02 AM

9. Seriously? As a CPA tax preparer unless someone actually tells

 

Me to designate to Presidential election campaign I skip over it. Time is short during tax season and I won’t go out of my way to ask busy clients this question and explain how saying yes won’t affect liability. Pick on him for many other reasons but give the extremely busy senator a break on this one.
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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:37 PM

33. How many of you clients are running for president?

 

Kinda strange that presidential candidates would skip this little box.
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Response to question everything (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:24 PM

35. You have a point.... but this day and age clients (especially

 

clients with complicated returns) leave details to their accountant. But yes it would be good to see that box checked.
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Response to question everything (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:18 AM

10. Dont understand the point of these 'attacks'...

 

its not like he wont be paying the taxes he wants to put forward for people who make that much money.
this idea that hes some sort of hypocrite is so funny.. i guess FDR was a hypcrite ?


Oh and Amy Klobuchars estimated net worth of $1,112,513 in 2015...
so?
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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:58 AM

14. Why are you mentioning Klobuchar's estimated net worth of over a million

 

when Bernie owns three homes that together are worth at least $1.5 million, and has another million in assets beyond that?

The reason people are curious about Bernie's finances is because he has attacked other Democrats for being millionaires, and therefore in his view corrupt, when he himself is . . . a millionaire.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2019/04/12/how-bernie-sanders-the-socialist-senator-amassed-a-25-million-fortune/#2c6b665336bf

Sanders, 77, has, in fact, amassed an estimated $2.5 million fortune from real estate, investments, government pensions—and earnings from three books, including the 2016 hit Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In. “I wrote a best-selling book. If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too,” he recently told the New York Times, striking a downright Trumpian note.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:24 AM

17. +1 nt

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:39 AM

20. I'd like to see a link to Sanders attacking a Democrat for being a millionaire.

 

That's just over the top.
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:44 PM

25. Really?

 

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/03/31/watch-bernie-sanders-live-streamed-talk-at-mit

“Our job is not a radical concept. Our job is to organize and educate people around a progressive agenda that demands Congress represent us, not just the one percent. That’s about it. Nothing more complicated than that,” Sanders said. “But to make that happen, we are going to need radical transformation of the Democratic Party. I don’t want to offend anybody, but the Democratic Party cannot continue to be just the party of the liberal elite and people who have money. It has got to be the party of the working class of this country. The Democratic Party cannot just be a party that just does well in New England and the west coast, it has got to be a 50-state party.”
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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:22 PM

28. I was gonna say he attacks dems CONSTANTLY, to find just one example is laughable

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:34 PM

41. Thanks for this quote. I love Bernie.

 

pnwmom says "The reason people are curious about Bernie's finances is because he has attacked other Democrats for being millionaires, and therefore in his view corrupt, when he himself is . . . a millionaire."

Still waiting for a quote showing Bernie attacking "other Democrats for being millionaires."

Your Sanders quote from Boston.com is not an attack on other, any or a Democrat for being millionaires. I'm a native english speaker and I went to some of the finest public schools in the country and I can read. .

Really.
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:27 PM

47. Mrs. Coffee's post will do. Bernie accused the Democratic party as being the party for people

 

with money.

That's a grossly unfair description of the party -- and it doesn't acknowledge the fact that he himself has LONG had money. His Senate salary alone puts him among the highest household incomes, and has since the day he joined. Below is a calculator from 2014. His Senate salary alone, not including Jane's income, would have put their household among the top 8% of households in the country. And yet he rails on as if everyone at his level and above -- including his fellow Democrats in the Senate -- is corrupt.

Mrs. Coffee's post above:
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2017/03/31/watch-bernie-sanders-live-streamed-talk-at-mit

“Our job is not a radical concept. Our job is to organize and educate people around a progressive agenda that demands Congress represent us, not just the one percent. That’s about it. Nothing more complicated than that,” Sanders said. “But to make that happen, we are going to need radical transformation of the Democratic Party. I don’t want to offend anybody, but the Democratic Party cannot continue to be just the party of the liberal elite and people who have money. It has got to be the party of the working class of this country. The Democratic Party cannot just be a party that just does well in New England and the west coast, it has got to be a 50-state party.”



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Response to rgbecker (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:00 AM

60. Cue the crickets... chirp! chirp!

 


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:01 PM

44. +2

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:42 PM

51. Boom!!!! You got to the very core of the hyprocracy.

 

Bernie cast aspersions on other people about wealth, but he chose to hide his own wealth.

The whataboutism from Bernie supporters is going through the roof.
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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:16 PM

24. Bernie's not FDR and this isn't 1933

 

And only among Sanders supporters is actually examining the returns he provided an attack. Are we allowed to even look at them or is that offensive in itself?
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:32 PM

31. The negative analysis of his returns is bullshit.

 

He made a lot of money on a book in 2016 and 2017 after achieving rockstar status. No surprise . He also donated the proceeds of another book to charity and did not take the deduction.

He still calls for increasing taxes on the wealthy

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/15/18311337/bernie-sanders-releases-tax-returns-fox-news-town-hall

In 2018, Sanders’s income was $561,293, on which he paid a 26 percent effective tax rate on that adjusted gross income. In 2017 and 2016, his income was more than a million — $1.15 million and roughly $1.1 million respectively — because of the advance and royalties from his bestselling book about the 2016 election. Sanders and his wife Jane Sanders paid $145,840 in taxes last year; $343,882 in 2017; and $372,368 in 2016.

They also donated 3.4 percent of their adjusted gross income to charity last year. But the campaign was also sure to note that they also gave the proceeds from Sanders’s book, The Speech, directly to charity, and that they did not take the tax deduction for those contributions, which is why they don’t show up in the tax returns.

Looking at the relative wealth of members of congress, Bernie cracking the millionaire barrier at 75 years of age from book sales (an honest buck) is a non issue.
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:57 PM

36. How much did he donate without taking a deduction? A couple hundred in royalties? n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #36)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:50 PM

54. Crickets since at least 3pm. nt

 

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:49 PM

53. You keep saying that he donated book proceeds and did not take the deduction.

 

HOW would YOU know that? I could say that Jeff Bezos donated half his annual stock bonus and does not take the deduction and that, in the absence of proof, would be equal to your claim.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #53)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:25 AM

70. I don't keep saying it. I stated it once as mentioned in the linked article

 

and other recent msm articles. I do not think that the Senator is a liar and I am sure that this is something that can be verified easily..


The Senator has expenses, he lives both on D.C. and VT. He has children and grandchildren that i'm sure he assists from time to time. I know I assist my children and don't dont deduct or claim anything related to it. If I made more, i would give them more. From what I read his charitable contributions are higher then most of the other candidates and on par with the average.

He is as always pushing for a tax increase on the wealthy and it is pretty evident he does nothing to avoid paying taxes.

So i say this issue is dead. He made some big money on a book for two years, pays his taxes, and donates at least an average amount to charity.




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Response to CentralMass (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:38 PM

81. I choose to see the obvious, not rumours, even written ones.

 

You made another unprovable declarative statement that Bernie gives more than most of the other candidates. How can you possibly prove that with even a smidgen of certainty?
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #81)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:57 PM

85. There have been several msm articles on it. I believe that I first read it here on another podt.

 

This link has some of the details.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/04/16/daily-202-tax-returns-show-2020-candidates-gave-to-charity-but-not-a-ton/5cb4ab60a7a0a475985bd448/
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #85)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

86. We will have to agree to disagree. Eventhough I don't agree with you a lot, I like the general

 

measured tone in your posts. Take care.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:35 PM

91. Thank you and best regards to you as well. But please note:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2019/04/16/daily-202-tax-returns-show-2020-candidates-gave-to-charity-but-not-a-ton/5cb4ab60a7a0a475985bd448/

"THE BIG IDEA: Former congressman Beto O’Rourke (D-Tex.) released 10 years of tax returns last night. He and his wife reported $1,166 of charitable giving from a total income of $370,412 in 2017, the most recent year for which they released a return. That’s one-third of 1 percent.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and his wife gave $19,000 to charity out of an income of $566,000 last year, or 3.4 percent. They provided $36,300 to charity in 2017, according to returns released last night. “The Sanders campaign said those rates do not reflect charitable proceeds given from one of his books, which he did not deduct from his taxes,” Michael Kranish and Sean Sullivan report. “The campaign did not say how much was given in that case.”

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) released 15 years of tax returns on Sunday, showing that she and her husband earned $1.9 million last year and gave $27,000 to charity — or 1.4 percent. Harris reported no charitable giving at all during her first three years as California’s attorney general. But then she married Doug Emhoff in 2014. The first year they filed jointly, Harris and Emhoff — a partner at the law firm DLA Piper — reported giving $60,000 to charity. Their giving dropped off to between $18,000 to $37,000 in the years that followed.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and her husband donated $6,600 of their $338,500 income to charity last year, or just under 2 percent, according to a return her campaign published on its website yesterday.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and her husband made $215,000 last year and gave $3,750 to charity, also just under 2 percent.

The most generous of the top-tier presidential candidates appears to be Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). She and her husband donated $50,000 last year of their $906,000 income. That’s 5.5 percent.

Gov. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.) and his wife, who recently released 12 years of returns, earned an income of $203,000 in 2018. They gave $8,295 to charity, about 4 percent"

"But Joe and Jill Biden gave just 1.5 percent of their income to charity, $5,500 out of $379,000.

-- Biden took heat during the 2008 campaign when his tax returns showed that he and his wife had donated only $3,690 to charity in total over the previous 10 years — an average of $369 a year. The most recent year for which Biden has released his tax returns is 2015. The then-vice president and second lady gave $6,900 of the $392,000 they earned to charity, about 1.8 percent. It will be interesting to see whether the rate of giving went up after Biden started giving high-priced paid speeches in 2017 and 2018."

Another article nentioned that Sanders charitable give varied ftom 1 to 4 percent ovef the 10 year period and averaged 2.26%


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Response to CentralMass (Reply #91)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

92. This should make this whole thread

 

disappear in a puff of smoke, but you know it won't.

There is just too much to question about everything without using the little gray cells.

Like another poster said, I too admire your measured responses in the midst of this...what shall we call it...intrigue.
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:55 PM

58. EXCELLENT rebuttal CM!! Too bad it will fall on many deaf ears.

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #58)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:02 AM

61. How much in royalties did that book make? Funny he didn't mention that piece of info.

 

I can't be that impressed that he didn't take a deduction for The Speech on a trivial amount in royalties.

Currently, this is its ranking among Amazon "best sellers":

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #98,080 in Books
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #61)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:42 PM

82. Amazon has over 6 million ranked books.

 

So it is hard to say how much he got, BUT, I had a book rank 318,000th there once and I made enough to buy three months worth of toilet paper.

The thing that gets me is the Bernie supporters keep referring to claims that they have no way of verifying. Bernie is a saint beyond any reproach to them.
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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:30 AM

11. Did Sanders release the full returns with ...ALL... schedules?

 

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:51 AM

12. Good question.

 

Because that's where the details are.
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:23 PM

29. I assume not, because that he is a millionaire is NOT why he would

 

refuse to release them in 2016.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:06 PM

37. Petty is the needless lack of disclosure and asking us to trust

 

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:19 PM

39. When he wears a wrong color suite and his hamburger comes from Trump steaks. I'm reasonable

 

... asking me to trust and needless opaqueness isn't
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:53 PM

55. Someone pointed out that Schedule B was missing.

 

The all important "sources of other income schedule". Bernie may not want people seeing the nature of his investments.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:45 AM

67. "Sources of other income schedule?????"

 

My copy of the Schedule says its for reporting Interest and Dividends. Period.


"Use Schedule B (Form 1040) if any of the following applies:

You had over $1,500 of taxable interest or ordinary dividends.
You received interest from a seller-financed mortgage and the buyer used the property as a personal residence.
You have accrued interest from a bond.
You are reporting original issue discount (OID) in an amount less than the amount shown on Form 1099-OID.
You are reducing your interest income on a bond by the amount of amortizable bond premium.
You are claiming the exclusion of interest from series EE or I U.S. savings bonds issued after 1989.
You received interest or ordinary dividends as a nominee.
You had a financial interest in, or signature authority over, a financial account in a foreign country or you received a distribution from, or were a grantor of, or transferor to, a foreign trust. Part III of the schedule has questions about foreign accounts and trusts."
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #67)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:23 PM

75. Did Sanders release his ... FULL ... returns? Is there a site we can see them? thx in advance

 

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

87. Try this webpage:

 

https://berniesanders.com/tax-returns/
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #67)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:01 PM

84. Bernie said from his mouth that he made tens of thousands from "investments"

 

Yet, none of that is recorded on any of his tax returns. Why does the data that he posted NOT support what he claims about investment income? Could it be that he pulled something out of the posted tax returns? If so, CPAs that look at the returns will find the irregularities, unless Bernie did a smash up job of dotting that i and crossing it's related t.

I just have a nagging suspicion about someone who avidly chose not to disclose that stuff finally putting out information that is at odds with what comes out of his mouth.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #84)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

88. Did we ever get a link to that mouth talk about income from investments???

 

I missed it.
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:17 PM

89. He made the statement in response to a tv reporter's question.

 

We are just going around in circles, you have your candidate, I have questions about him. But if Bernie takes the Democratic Party nomination for President, I won't hesitate one second before getting fully behind him.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

90. I'll google again, but I haven't come up with anything yet.

 

thanks,
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:19 PM

73. Only 18 pages. I am sure there should be more

 

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Response to question everything (Reply #73)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:22 PM

74. There were ten years of taxes, how can there be only 18 pages? tia

 

Is there a sight were we can see the taxes he released?

Tia
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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:25 PM

77. 18 pages of his 2018 return. 16 of his 2016 return

 

I wonder how many taxpayers reporting more than a million dollars AGI have only 16 pages.

Oh, I get it. 16 pages for 2016, 18 pages for 2018 wonder whether there were 10 pages for 2010.
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Response to question everything (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:28 PM

78. Ah, I'm still looking for a sight we can see the returns. Not releasing all the schedules does matte

 

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:25 AM

18. He wasn't "hiding" his 2016 tax return in the 2016 election...

 

...because it wasn't prepared and filed until 2017.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:41 AM

21. Details, details.

 

There must be something in there that he's hiding. They will continue, apparently, until November, 2020.

Very sad to see such shit on the DU.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:04 PM

45. already addressed that, above

 

but he was hiding his 2015, and 2013 and 2012 etc.

And even his 2014 did not have all the accompanied schedules

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:26 AM

19. It would have caused him to say "billionaire" instead of

 

"millionaire" a lot earlier. But those followers who approved his attacks on the Democratic Party and have never seen a need to excuse or forgive any of his behaviors didn't need him to do that for them.

Whether they came to him from the left right or left, he is their leader against the giant coalition of other groups that is the Democratic establishment. That's who he is to them, and those types care only that their chosen leader wins.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:50 PM

26. Heh. You noticed that too?

 

The rhetoric changed from "millionaires and billionaires" to just "billionaires" once he became a millionaire.
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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

59. Or once he had no choice but to show that he was a millionaire of several years running.

 

The clever phrasing and lack of opaqueness by Bernie worked to his advantage until it was clear that he could no longer use the opaqueness. I think that is one reason we "found out" that he was a millionaire BEFORE he released his years long tax returns, WITHOUT the dividends and interest and other income schedule (that would show his investment holdings). I wonder why he left those out.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:24 PM

30. If the nazi fascist stays in the WH after 2020, I know EXACTLY who to blame

 

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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:25 PM

46. Bernie is a miserly giver. Yet he is quick to criticize other rich peopke

 

on what they do with their money.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:19 AM

62. You really don't know that

 

he may give anonymously or not keep records of donations and not deduct them.

I think he criticizes other rich people, not about giving to charity which is redistributed privately, but about not paying enough in taxes, which is redistributed to the public. Maybe he doesn't claim donations so he'll pay more in taxes because he actually believes the wealthier you are, the more taxes you should pay. He's a pretty common man.. why we love him.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #62)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:28 AM

64. His own statement of charitable giving versus income.

 

To your point that he could give and not report it, couldn't Bezos and other rich people that Bernie pillors also do the same?
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #64)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:38 AM

66. Sure they might

 

or they might bribe someone to get their kids into college and take that as a charitable deduction, which some did.
The point is Bernie has always said the rich don’t pay enough taxes and he’s right and we all know that.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:16 AM

69. Just so you know, Bernie isn't a miserly giver as some are. Links and I'll highlight

 

the details for you.


Elizabeth Warren: 5.5 percent.
Jay Inslee: 4.1 percent
Bernie Sanders: 3.4 percent
Amy Klobuchar: 1.9 percent
Kirsten Gillibrand: 1.7 percent
Kamala Harris: 1.4 percent
Beto O’Rourke: 0.31 percent.


The Democratic 2020 hopefuls have started releasing their tax returns in the name of transparency (how quaint!), and among other information about their finances, it’s giving us an opportunity to learn a bit about their charitable giving habits—which in some cases are frankly a bit stingy.

Credit to the Washington Post for scouring the candidates’ returns for this info, which they published on Tuesday. First, here’s how much of their total income candidates gave away, from most generous to least. All numbers are for last year, unless otherwise noted.

But as for the other candidates? For their income, Sanders, Inslee and Warren are all somewhat above average givers by U.S. standards. The others are a bit below average. Based on IRS data, the Tax Policy Center shows that Americans who earn between $100,000 and $500,000 contribute about 2.9 percent of their adjusted gross income to charity; those who earn $500,000 and $2 million give about 3.1 percent. (The Post’s calculations are based on total income, not AGI, which is your income after subtracting away certain deductions. The candidates’ giving would probably be slightly higher as a percentage of AGI, but you still get the idea.)



https://slate.com/business/2019/04/beto-orourke-democratic-candidates-tax-returns-charitable-giving.html


to this OP for the WP link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128773043


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Response to Autumn (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:52 PM

83. Harris and O'Rouke definitely are lagging, especially O'Rouke.

 

Amy Klobuchar and Kirsten Gillibrand ARE NOT REMOTELY AS RICH AS Bernie. Since Bernie is always bashing the rich, maybe he should on occasion give more.
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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:54 PM

57. There are many irregularities in the return

 

As various expert CPAs comb through them, wait for more revelations.
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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:54 AM

68. I hope you will update us when you find them.

 

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Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:21 AM

63. I'm actually pretty curious about the personal financial disclosure

 

that would have shown his finances up to May 2016.

He did, after all, get a pretty big advance for his book--detailed in his Senate financial filings for 2016.

So what happened to this disclosure form? Why, he delayed it for 45 days.

Then delayed it again.

Then--oops! He was no longer a candidate, so too bad, so sad, not filing.

Could that form--which Clinton and even Trump managed to file with no extensions requested--have painted a different picture of his finances at a time when he needed to push his "poor Senator" persona?
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Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

72. I refuse to check the box for the presidential campaign. I check the others but skip that one.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:23 PM

76. Are you a presidential candidate?

 

I find it strange that presidential candidates will not check this box

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Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:43 PM

80. I don't find it strange. I also don't think political donations should be deducted as charity. nt

 

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