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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:27 PM

 

Bernie Sanders Organizer Screams Expletives at Rally: 'F*ck Hillary! F*ck Hillary!'

Bernie Sanders Organizer Screams Expletives at Rally: ‘F*ck Hillary! F*ck Hillary!’

By Tommy Christopher Apr 15th, 2019, 1:05 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/print/bernie-sanders-organizer-screams-expletives-at-rally-fck-hillary-fck-hillary/

A Bernie Sanders organizer named Mark Craig shouted expletives at a Bernie Sanders rally over the weekend, targeting former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with screams of “Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!”

At a rally on Saturday in Warren, Michigan, Sanders spent a portion of his speech boasting about his success at reducing the power of Democratic “superdelegates” in the primary process.

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It was during this section of the speech that, according to the Washington Post, a Bernie Sanders organizer named Mark Craig shouted the expletives in question.

And according to another Washington Post reporter, Sean Sullivan, wrote that “Mark Craig, 66, disparaged Trump and Hillary Clinton with expletives as he cheered on Sanders during his speech Saturday in Warren, Mich.” Weigel, reached by email, confirmed that he heard Craig shout “Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!”


Have Senator Sanders condemned this outburst from his organizer? Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign? Is this the reaction Senator Sanders wants to elicit with his speech?
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:34 PM

1. He forgot to add "Lock her up!"

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:45 PM

57. One man in a huge crowd and you focus on him? No chant, noone joining in

 

Seems just looking for any reason to attack Bernie. It's petty and without substance to think anyone in Bernie's camp would have had anything to do with that comment.
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:50 PM

67. A "BS Organizer" & he can't quit the venom

 

about Hillary.. he needs to fucking wake UP, and realize it's Fucking 2019 and Hillary is NOT Running for POTUS.
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Response to Cha (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:05 PM

87. And she is NOT running

 

thank god.


This place and others would implode.
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Response to artislife (Reply #87)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:16 PM

104. Not running but this Idiot can't get it through

 

his stupid head.
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #104)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:19 PM

106. The thank god was that she isn't running. nt

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Bernie Sanders

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Response to artislife (Reply #106)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:21 PM

109. And, that BS organizer can't get it through his stupid head.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #109)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:12 PM

181. He isn't the only one holding on to

 

animosity from the last go around.

smh
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Response to artislife (Reply #181)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:49 AM

270. ...

 



Sid
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Response to artislife (Reply #181)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:22 PM

274. No kidding. Anti-Bernie animus among some here is palpable. /nt

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to philly_bob (Reply #274)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:50 PM

279. You nailed it

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #106)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:20 AM

267. Yes, you've said that multiple times.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #87)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:39 PM

130. She is a private citizen and an honored Stateswoman

 

and should be treated with respect, at least from Democrats.
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Elizabeth Warren

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Response to mcar (Reply #130)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:23 PM

192. Yeah, poor things.. they just can't quit Hillary.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #192)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:30 PM

194. Living rent free in their heads

 

Along with some others. SMDH.
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Response to mcar (Reply #130)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:20 PM

283. If we are ever able to PLAINLY speak we will see MANY saying they HATE Hillary

 

and they HATE Kamala and so on.

They are all around us, afraid to say it but THAT is what they are thinking. They hate Joe also, probably ALL candidates with a "D" after their name, not probably actually.

But, we have to pretend that isnt happening, sigh
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #283)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:08 PM

287. I don't think they are afraid

 

At least not on Twitter. They are all over the place with their misogyny and racism.
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Response to artislife (Reply #87)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:52 AM

268. Because too many people fell for obvious propaganda and fake news?

 

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Kamala Harris

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Response to betsuni (Reply #268)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

273. I think Hillary should be glad he ran as a Democrat

 

Or she wouldn't have had the popular vote win. Not that it made a difference to the outcome.
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Response to artislife (Reply #273)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:26 PM

290. So she and WE should be THANKFUL he didnt ...i cant say more without

 

getting in

AMAZING

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #290)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:07 PM

291. Look how Ross Perot changed the outcome of that election

 

It ended up helping Bill.

Look at Nader, it ended up hurting Al.

The one constellation that the Democrats have is that she won the popular vote. I don't think she would have if there had been Sanders running as a third party candidate. I don't think he would have won as a third party candidate, either.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #268)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:45 AM

296. Yes.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:08 PM

179. I'm sure he's not the only one. Sadly, I've seen this type of behavior continuing on...

 

... the hatred and bitterness toward Hillary hasn't subsided.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #179)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:22 PM

191. Yeah, the brainwashing was

 

complete.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #179)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:46 PM

277. nope it hasnt

 

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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:52 PM

70. Strawman post.

 

It wasn't just one random person in a large crowd and saying that did nothing to promote either the candidate or you. It was a Bernie staffer - a person chosen by Bernie or the campaign - was the one doing that, which is a 100% different issue.
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Response to lark (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:00 PM

84. The defensive response is more telling.

 

Don't you think? God forbid one should own it and deal with it and show integrity.
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Response to Cary (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:19 PM

107. Exactly, Cary.. I was thinking the sameish..

 

Why try to give this idiot cover with straw and WhatAbout?!

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Response to Cha (Reply #107)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:23 PM

114. It is odd

 

A younger, more naive me once thought that this kind of tribalism belonged solely to Republicans. Unfortunately we Democrats are dumb enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory even after seeing a Nazi in the White House.

That's a shame.
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Response to Cary (Reply #114)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

284. That is exactly what it is. And we will ALL suffer for it.

 

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Kamala Harris

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Response to Cary (Reply #84)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:43 PM

134. Some real knee jerk defensiveness

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #134)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

146. Sickening.

 

We have so much at stake here. Can we please leave the vicarious b.s. to the Unindicted Co-Conspirator mopes?
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Response to Cary (Reply #146)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

149. Bernie would be wise to condemn these remarks and move on

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #149)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:56 PM

159. Only if he knew about them

 

Which he doesn’t
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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #159)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:01 PM

168. Bet he does

 

Since it's all over Twitter. If he doesn't, shame on him and his media team.
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Response to mcar (Reply #168)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:06 PM

176. I think they might have better things to do

 

They can’t possibly keep track of every person posting on social media about someone shouting something
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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #176)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:08 PM

178. Seriously?

 

The Twitter poster is a journalist covering Sanders' campaign.

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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #176)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:20 PM

189. Better things to do than not alienating the majority of Democrats?

 

???
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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #159)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:52 PM

255. He knows. It was reported. I await his condemnation.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #255)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:20 AM

265. Do you think Joe condemned his campaign person who said Joe was ready to kill Bernie?

 

When they blamed Bernie's campaign for Lucy Flores.
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Response to DeeDeeNY (Reply #159)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:35 AM

266. Kept in the dark, eh?

 

Sanders says he did not know about sexual harassment allegations during campaign

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142234955
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Response to lark (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

148. That figures

 

like Trump, Bernie gets the "best people."

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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:56 PM

78. How about condemning that one man?

 

Doesn't this work both ways?
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:57 PM

79. I totally agree. Every tiny thing and they make a national incident about it.

 

Nothing like the circular firing squad Obama warned about.
Hey, No candidate is responsible for EVERY person who comes to their rallies. If people start joining in that chant, then I am sure Bernie would hear it and tell them "no".
This is why many don't feel comfortable with the party, they don't stand up for their own and they tear each other down. Who wants to be with a group like that? Think about it.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:03 PM

85. I see.

 

You don't like circular firing squads so what to do?

Bash the whole party, of course!

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Response to Cary (Reply #85)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

117. Are you saying that Obama was bashing the whole party when he said it?

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #117)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:40 PM

131. Are you representing that you didn't spin President Obama's statement?

 

Because nothing you can say will make me believe that such a representation would be true.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

99. You're making WAYYYY too much sense!!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:44 PM

136. You realize the person is a Bernie staffer, right?

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:18 PM

293. We're calling out this BS staffer for

 

shouting out obscenities about our first female Democratic candidate for POTUS.
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:12 PM

96. What else is new?!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:41 PM

133. Umm, he's a Sanders staffer

 

It's petty and without substance to think anyone in Bernie's camp would have had anything to do with that comment.


Seems like a part of Bernie's camp, yes?
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:47 PM

143. "One man" is a Sanders organizer

 

I believe that makes a difference. He's not one random man in a crowd.
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:56 PM

161. Another reason why

 

I will never support Sanders. He's not a true Democrat. I don't care if it's one man. Sanders folks treat us real Dems like we are repubs. This might be against the rules.
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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:12 PM

182. Did anybody on the stage stop him?

 

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Response to onit2day (Reply #57)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:47 PM

278. it should not have happened

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:53 PM

71. I know, right?! WTH?!!

 

It's 2019, Idiot.. get a clue. Nice "organizer" there
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:53 PM

73. IKR...nt

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:35 PM

2. I Just Asked A Few Hours Ago On DU

 

How long before they pull HRC into their campaign

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=69175

You can't make this stuff up, and his crowing how he reduced the number of super delegates will not play well for him. Can't say I'm surprised at how his people behave and don't look for him to wave that bony finger at his own.
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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

81. This "BS organizer" misses Hillary

 

Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:30 PM - Edit history (1)

so much!.. he can't handle it!

Pathetic.. they need their boogiewoman back!
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Response to Cha (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:21 PM

110. I Know...Right?

 

Maybe they'll figure out how to target Pete now that he's taking over. I mean honestly, his supporters screaming about HRC and he says nothing. You're right it has the feel of a trump rally. And lest we forget, his man Devine is the one who coined the 'lock her up chant'.

Aloha Hoa...
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Response to Me. (Reply #110)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:35 PM

129. Hillary's stronger than all

 

her disingenuous attackers. They know that.. and it makes them lose it!

Hoaaloha
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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:22 PM

111. Oh, he was a bit more direct than that.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-iowa-2020-rally-speech-transcript-2019-3

And that great start in Iowa led us to win victories in 22 states around the country, 13 million votes, over 1700 delegates at the convention and more votes from young people - black, white, Latino, Asian American and Native American - than Trump and Clinton combined.
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Response to namahage (Reply #111)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:29 PM

124. So He's Bragging He Lost By 3.6 Mil?

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:16 PM

186. He what? Geesh!

 

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:06 PM

219. I understand...now, there is lots of heat and anger here..is the election next week? next month?

 

Oh, the nominating convention is next year. Is that correct? The first primaries are when? Next January..or is it February?....We got to calm down. Of course, some of us.......................................

don't have to calm down... Do and say what you believe. But we will need a whole lot of energy to win a year from November...So save some of it for then.. and................

Please don't get mad at me..(OK, if you want to that is ok)..but our anger needs to be saved for the 4 months previous to Nov 2020...(in my humble opinion)
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Response to Stuart G (Reply #219)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:22 PM

222. You Make Good Points

 

But there is no defense against excoriating HRC, once again, by some staffer and no apologies, or sanctions forthcoming. Bernie was bragging in an unbalanced way and it led to her being insulted. So I will speak out against such as she is a former first lady, Senator, and Secretary of State of this country. The Senator has only been that with 3 bills to his credit, two of which was naming post offices. So perspective is needed, but insulting behavior toward HRC is not. That is donald j trump teritory.

That said...not mad in the least...
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:39 PM

3. Luckily no Hillary supporter ever said anything bad about Bernie

 



I mean this is high school level stuff.

Sure would be nice to discuss the important issues of the day instead of your person called my person a bad name !!!11!!
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:42 PM

4. Sounds a bit like a trump rally, though

 

no?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:48 PM

9. um, Hillary & Obama aren't running

 

NEWS FLASH!
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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:53 PM

13. I never said they were... but if people are going to equate Sanders with Trump

 

under the context of what someone said at a Sander's rally, then it is fair game to look at Hillary's record on comparative tactics she used in the past.
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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:29 PM

35. Cool story bro.

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:50 PM

66. I got the message ..........You cannot reply to hidden posts............ from the one above.

 

I have never seen this message before. Do you know why??



..........You cannot reply to hidden posts............
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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:51 PM

150. Go read my post again

 

I said that it sounded like a trump rally. I did not "equate sanders with trump."
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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:58 PM

14. I am sure you have a link to this

 

I searched Google and can't find any such thing.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:27 PM

33. But...but...that was... different

 

SMH
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #33)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:46 PM

61. Because it never happened.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:29 PM

37. Yes, and darkened his face and pictured him in muslum garments. That was charming.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:48 PM

63. That's a total lie

 

In 2008, the "darkened video" smear marked the precise moment when I switched from supporting Obama to Hillary Clinton. This lie has been researched exhaustively and and demolished beyond the point of rational debate.

The fact that you tried to resurrect this proven smear demonstrates your bad faith.
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Response to JCannon (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:22 PM

112. I guess you should tell that the Clinton campaign

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #112)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:53 PM

155. From your link:

 

Aides for Mrs Clinton, who is fighting a last-ditch battle to keep her hopes of the White House alive, initially tried to brush off the furore, but later denied having anything to do with the distribution of the picture. "I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters. "None of us have seen the email in question."


You should be ashamed.
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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #155)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:26 PM

212. Thank you.

 

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Response to JCannon (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:07 PM

234. ...

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:51 PM

69. A) that's bullshit B) it's Muslim, not muslum.

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #69)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:30 PM

126. I am saying campaign staffer do stupid things. It does not necessarily reflect on the candidate.

 

I's sure Hillary did not know that was done, and I am sure Bernie didn't hear his staffer among the crowd cheers. You cannot blame a candidate for the stupid things their staffers do.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

115. Show links and sources -- or take this lie back. nt

 

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Response to Hekate (Reply #115)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:25 PM

119. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:39 PM

49. Let's see them. Thanks.

 

Sounds like bullshit to me, frankly, so post the images or stop making that claim.

Thanks for your cooperation.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

116. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #116)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

157. That was not what you originally claimed!

 

Deceptive.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #157)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:59 PM

165. If you are referring to the darking, no it wasn't just his face, it was the entire imaging,

 

meant to make it look sinister.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/did-clinton-darken-obamas-skin/
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #165)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:50 PM

216. I replied to the person who claimed the Clinton

 

Campaign used a photo of Obama with crosshairs. Was that you? If not, then why reply to me at all?
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #216)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:31 PM

223. No it wasn't, sorry.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #223)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:39 PM

224. I see.

 

So, you want us to rise up? And do what?
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #224)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:49 PM

227. I don't know what you are talking about. You must be responding to another poster.

 

I don't know what post 224 is.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:43 PM

54. Link?

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:34 PM

128. site

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

You can't blame the candidates for what stupid staffers do.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #128)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:16 PM

207. I don't see any crosshairs in that photo.

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #207)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:23 PM

208. I'm not the one that posted about the crosshairs, sorry.

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:23 PM

210. Then you replied to the wrong person.

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:24 PM

211. Sorry

 

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:49 PM

10. Yes!

 

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Response to lillypaddle (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:46 PM

60. No. Watch the vid below.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:44 PM

5. Well, when your people are screaming "Fuck Hillary" .. it's hard to discuss "important issues"

 

You can't have it both ways. Your team can't be acting like juveniles and then expect everyone else to turn a blind eye to it.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:04 PM

16. Even McCain stood up for Obama...

 

So surely, Sanders said stop doing that?
Yes?
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:09 PM

18. Surely you jest...

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:18 PM

23. Caught me!

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:29 PM

36. Reminds me of another politician that nobody seems to want to talk with ...

 

we've caught him alone, numerous times, watching everyone else around him networking.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:44 PM

56. An apt comparison I think.

 

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:50 PM

199. Perfect pic.. says 1000s of words!

 

Mahalo, comradebillyboy!


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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:38 PM

47. I had a lot of problems with McCain, we didn't see things politically the same way a lot of the time

 

But this one 30 second video shows that deep down, McCain was a decent, honorable man. Sadly, we'll never see the same from some people.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:40 PM

50. Yep!

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #47)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:16 PM

103. Indeed

 

I did not agree with Mr. McCain much politically but never ONCE ,not once, did I doubt his basic human decency and his sincerity. His efforts to work with all Americans and their representatives in Washington is something to be admired imo. He truly was and still is a true Patriot in every sense of the word. Yes, I'm a veteran and yes I am proud and humbled to call him a fellow veteran and an honorable man. A Hero with a capitol H.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:54 PM

74. Mahalo, SFnomad!

 

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:58 PM

80. One person your people?

 

That's interesting math.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:12 PM

97. I suppose when you can't debate the substance of a post, you play word games ... how precious

 

Secretary Clinton ... still living rent free in both BS's and tRump's heads.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #97)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:03 PM

172. I see the "equal" sign didn't show up in my post.

 

It was supposed to read "One person" equals "your people"?

Speaking of the substance of a post. Care to expand on your statement that this one person is "your people"? If this is true, then can I condemn all nurses because the last one I saw was awful? Can I condemn all McDonalds employees because one was a jerk?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #172)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:40 PM

195. This is one of the BS organizers .. it's not just a person in the crowd

 

But go ahead and continue to try and minimize this ... it won't work.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #195)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:02 PM

232. I'm not minimizing it. Just trying to clarify.

 

You said "when your people..." People is plural.

A more accurate statement would have been, "when one of your people...", or "when a person...".

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Response to progressoid (Reply #232)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:18 PM

238. You can debate the issue ... or you can be pedantic ... it's clear what you'd rather be

 

Get back at me when you decide you'd like to debate issues. I'd like for someone to try and justify this to me.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:46 PM

7. Can you point to where the supporters of any of our other 19 candidates..

 

Have yelled "fuck Sanders" at one of their events.

Maybe you missed it. Clinton isn't running.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:53 PM

12. But it is an issue of the day.

 

Two years later and an important Sanders supporter is still more upset about imagined wrongs Clinton might have done than about beating Trump.
What does that say about Bernie? What about him makes people hate so passionately and with such misdirection?

What does that say about his supporters? Are they brittle enough to oppose a democratic nominee if Bernie doesn't win? Is this guy an outlier or representative?
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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:42 PM

53. Well

 

He is more than just a supporter - he is the Flint Michigan organizer.

Why is Bernie still stuck in 2016? He lost the nomination. He did not loose because of the Super Delegates. She won more delegates than he, received more votes. It was not a close contest.
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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:46 PM

59. I think that's a problem you've identified-- Sanders (or maybe his campaign) seems obsessed with...

 

"fixing" the Democratic party somehow, refighting old primary battles, like other Democrats are the enemy-- even Democrats who aren't running. What's up with that? Is Secy Clinton really the enemy for his campaign? Is Democratic Party policy really the policy he's willing to get granular about?

I'd love to hear more about free college, how to make that work, rather than superdelegate policy intra-party. If he wants to obsess about election stuff, he seems to be more interested in THAT than even other more pressing election issues like, you know, Russian interference.

This just reinforces my sense that we need to move on away from the old intra-party squabbles, forgive the past, and unite to save the g-d country.
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Response to dawg day (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:25 PM

118. Yes , this.

 

I myself am afraid that Mr. Sanders in his quest to "reform"/"fix" the Democratic Party will do nothing but further splinter us at a time when we desperately need to come together. Mr. Sanders please give us ideas and proposals , something concrete to talk about and debate and tone down the divisiveness and yes, bile , for the Democratic Party. Is 4 more years of trump WORTH your social democratic purity? This from an old old leftist too.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:11 PM

19. Whataboutism

 

This was during a speech Sanders was giving. Did he stop and tell his idiot supporter to knock it off? Didn't he make a pledge of civility?

Was that just meaningless words?
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Response to mcar (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:25 PM

28. At least John McCain immediately confronted that woman who called Obama an Arab.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:37 PM

45. That person had a microphone and asking direct question to McCain. No comparison

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:41 PM

51. Look at vid below. Sanders couldn't even hear him.One man in huge crowd.

 

So quick to jump to conclusion shows your bias. Hundreds were screaming. The crowd just ignored him as this post should have.
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Response to onit2day (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:45 PM

139. +1

 

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Response to ancianita (Reply #139)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:59 PM

204. No, we're not "ignoring" it.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #204)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:48 PM

226. Cool. Don't. I posted my two cents. The history of this is too complicated to re-litigate here.

 

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Response to ancianita (Reply #226)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:51 PM

228. Yes, the history is ugly.

 

Just like the screamer yelling obscenities.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:05 PM

233. After looking around, I've seen no other coverage of this.

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:25 PM

239. " I didn't hear the C-word. Craig was near the media section of the rally

 


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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

145. He's had time to respond

 

Why won't he condemn the terrible words of one of his organizers?
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Response to onit2day (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:58 PM

202. No, we're not "ignoring" it.. as much as

 

you want that to happen.

This yeller.. obscenities at Hillary Clinton is a BS organizer in Flint Michigan.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:27 PM

31. The OP is about Bernie Sanders Organizer Screams Expletives at Rally: 'F*ck Hillary! F*ck Hillary!

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:33 PM

41. Heavens! A Bernie supporter said a bad word about Hillary

 

So obviously it's Bernie's fault and he should be banned from the race and shunned forever!

I'll just be over here clutching muh pearls on the fainting couch.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:45 PM

58. Yep.

 


I’ve even seen it posted here.


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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:51 PM

68. We know what the expressions of hate do and have done to us

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

147. Not a supporter

 

An organizer. One of Bernie's team.

What would your reaction be if a staffer for one of the other candidates screamed "F#ck Bernie" at a rally?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:00 PM

229. I'd say what an asshole, but s/he is entitled to their opinion.

 

And move on... like an adult.
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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #229)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:16 PM

237. ...

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #147)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:01 PM

231. No. Not one of Bernie's team. Not Staff. Not a campaign organizer. A freelance "organizer"

 

See post #225 below. A whole lot of unfounded assumptions are being made on this thread.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:34 PM

43. but if they did/do

 

there'd be ten diaries about it.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:38 PM

48. Actually

 

He is not just a supporter, but the Flint Michigan organizer - a Bernie campaign organizer, according to article in Washington Post.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:44 PM

55. He isn't just a "supporter", he's one of Sanders' organizers.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:47 PM

62. Your "WhatABOUT?!" is a FAIL.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:55 PM

76. Then maybe he should stop hiring Hillary haters, sexual harassers and Manafort wannabes?

 

But guess it's more fun to pretend to be Democratic while secretly giving them the raspberry?
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Response to lark (Reply #76)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:09 PM

91. And Jill Stein supporters.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:00 PM

83. Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't hillary our nominee against Trump?

 

And, in being so, Hillary was all that stood between us and the worst piece of shit that ever occupied any office in this country.

I can assume that if this particular Sanders' supporter shouted "Fuck Hillary" and "Fuck Trump" that he most likely voted 3rd party in 2016.

Like too many Sanders supporters (not all, so please don't defend yourself or take offence, but too many) they didn't fuck Hillary by voting 3rd party. They fucked us.

That's why I don't want to be in bed with them. There are far too many that can't be trusted. I will vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but if Biden is eliminated, I will work for any other Democrat in the race before BS. Not because of him, but because of too many of his supporters
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Response to louis c (Reply #83)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

100. Well Said, Louis! Mahalo!

 

Except.. it's because of "him", too.. for me.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:18 PM

105. Unindicted Co-Conspirator won with fewer votes than Romney had in 2012

 

What are your priorities? My priority is to defeat Unindicted Co-Conspirator.

The point of the opening post is that maybe such excesses need to be avoided this time. And hey maybe you can do your part and be a voice of reason?

Please notice that I am undecided. I really don't care who it is who delivers us from evil. I was actually of similar mind the last time too but guess who rejected me and hurled abuse? And guess who accepted the undecided me without issue?

There is almost no difference in policy so whom do you suppose people like me will side with? A bunch of reckless radicals who would cut off their noses to spite their faces, or a sober progressive intent upon doing justice and attending to the general welfare?

Oh, and call me names like "corporatist" or whatever. That endears me to your cause too.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:48 PM

300. sanders was treated with kid gloves

 

Sanders was a very weak candidate who was never vetted. The Clinton campaign treated Sanders with kid gloves because sanders had no chance in the real world of being the nominee. The press did not vet sanders because sanders was such a weak candidate and it would have been a waste of their time Sanders was not vetted and was in fact treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

I have no interest in litigating any of these attacks here. Like any Democrat elected president in 2016, Sanders wouldn't be able to get much done, but he would block attempts to roll back Obama's accomplishments and have a chance to fill a few Supreme Court vacancies.

When Sanders supporters discuss these attacks, though, they do so in tones of barely contained outrage, as though it is simply disgusting what they have to put up with. Questioning the practical achievability of single-payer health care. Impugning the broad electoral appeal of socialism. Is nothing sacred?

But c'mon. This stuff is patty-cakes compared with the brutalization he would face at the hands of the right in a general election.

His supporters would need to recalibrate their umbrage-o-meters in a serious way.

Sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaign because of the amusing over-reactions of the Sanders supporters in the primary process. It appears that you are upset that Hillary Clinton did not use all of the oppo research that was available. Sanders was a weak candidate and would have been destroyed if the oppo research was used.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:45 PM

6. Devotees chanting

 

Not dissimilar to "Lock her up"

The similarities with Trump are striking.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:49 PM

11. Again, very Trumpian

 

Never blame yourself, always your opponent. Never admit a mistake, always offer an excuse. And never, ever admit that words can incite your supporters to moments of true ugliness.

The Bernie Bros were a figment of our imagination as I suspect Mark Craig's outburst will be categorized, certainly overblown and in no way attached to anything Bernie Sanders. Because that would besmirch the whole notion of populism where only the leader truly knows the heart and mind of the people.

Deja vu all over again. Tighten your seat belts, it's going to be a rough and nasty ride.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:52 PM

152. It's already happening in this thread

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:03 PM

15. Class act!

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:09 PM

17. Did Senator Sanders tell him to STFU?

 

Since this cretin was telling this foul abuse during Bernie's speech, I would expect him to stand up for civility.

He did, right?
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:12 PM

20. WaPo mentioned Craig in "Can Bernie Sanders really win over Trump voters?"

 

article. Sounds like he was trying to "warm up" a crowd that was fairly cool to Sanders' attempt to turn their populist anger on Trump for failing them. Playing the Sanders' and Trump' campaigns "burn the witch" cards. They're both extremely worn and singed around the edges from 2016; but given their outstanding success among populists both trumpsters and sanders-ites then, we no doubt will be seeing a lot more of this.

Sorry, Hillary. Let's hope this left-wing trumpsterism appalls and disgusts many millions.

MADISON, Wis. — Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) walked onstage here Friday under a gray sky with occasional specks of snow and launched into a full-on attack against President Trump, labeling him a “pathological liar” in a state that was key to Trump’s victory in 2016.

The blistering attacks on the president reflect Sanders’s developing, and arguably risky, strategy of reaching out to Trump’s voters ... It’s a sharp contrast with other Democratic candidates who are focused on mobilizing Trump opponents. ...

The most striking example of this strategy will play out Monday night when Sanders appears at a town hall meeting hosted by Fox News Channel, an outlet many Democrats detest and one the party has blocked from hosting a debate. Sanders says it’s important to talk to Fox viewers directly and tell them Trump misled them.

Sanders’s approach faces a significant test in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, where many white, working-class voters were drawn to Trump’s fiery populist message in 2016. Sanders argues that he can reclaim these voters by convincing them he can deliver the economic relief they were seeking all along. ...

At a Sanders appearance in Michigan, Christina Fong, who supported Sanders in 2016, said she knows some people who voted for Sanders and then Trump. Sanders can win them back, she said.

“Unfortunately, a lot of times people are really angry, and sometimes they displace that anger,” said Fong, a 54-year-old musician from Grand Rapids. “So they remain angry, which he taps into,” she added, speaking of Sanders. ...
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:32 PM

38. "...left-wing trumpsterism appalls and disgusts many millions." WTF? Why

 

would U wish that and why say sorry to Hillary? That's deeply disturbing
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Response to onit2day (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:10 PM

93. Why would a supporter/organizer for Sanders even mention Clinton in 2019? Will John Lewis be next?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #93)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:28 PM

122. Yeah, Why the Hell would a "BS Organizer"

 

feel the needs to shout out obscenities about Hillary at a 2019 Rally?!

He must have not gotten BS' memo..

Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=5478

Ooops! Hillary is NOT BS' opponent, Mark Craig(Idiot).
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Response to Cha (Reply #122)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:30 PM

125. +1,000,000

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #122)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

158. Well, but, it doesn't apply if Bernie doesn't hear it

 

at the time he's actually speaking.
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Response to mcar (Reply #158)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

170. Maybe BS will read about it.. if he's

 

not too busy releasing 10 years of Full Transparency Tax Returns?
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Response to Cha (Reply #170)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:04 PM

173. Busy day for him

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #122)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:04 PM

174. They also advocated violence against a woman.

 

Reminds me of a brick post.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #174)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:20 PM

190. They must be so

 

proud of themselves

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Response to Cha (Reply #190)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:25 PM

193. Boys will be boys?

 

Not in my lifetime.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #193)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:30 PM

242. More on Mark Craig.. :(

 



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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:58 PM

203. +1 Thank your for the smile your post brought me in this extremely long and ugly thread. I am

 

tempted to take to task BS supporters for their IMO support of ugly behavior, or deflection. Maybe they are trying to deflect from his taxes he is suppose to show? I suggest those who defend the OP behavior identified try Beneficial Speech as defined by Aristotle. It should pass the three sieve test.

First it must be Truthful.
Second it must be Necessary.
Third it must be Good.

So much of the BS posting in this thread IMO just sucks the air out of the room. I do find many BS messengers have the feel of Dumpster rally. It is enervating.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:53 PM

154. I love how white folks are the only people allowed to be "angry" in politics...

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:56 PM

162. White men folks

 

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #154)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:56 PM

200. Well, populist movements require crowds of spiteful,

 

resentful jerks, don't they? Those can come in any color, but in the U.S. only whites, and mostly men, can provide sufficient numbers to get away with it. And, of course, the nature of populist movements makes sure they aren't going to exactly be diverse. Someone like Candace Owens can support Trump all she wants, but she is an outlier from his trumpster populists as much as everyone else.

With the press he's been getting for years Sanders is attracting people with a variety of viewpoints, but he IS a left-wing populist leader. Those drawn to him might want to think about the kind of people they are hanging with and wonder to what purpose.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:13 PM

21. Please let us nominate someone else for President this time.

 

I don't want to have to vote for BS.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:27 PM

32. Please let's not run another moderate with years of baggage. We are losing our planet

 

We need clear bold action not likability
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Response to onit2day (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:37 PM

46. that's going to happen with republican courts

 

and the filibuster how?

Bernie's not presaging any revolution, even if he is elected.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:07 PM

90. Which "modrates with years of baggage" do you want to rule out?

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:43 PM

197. We don't need BS.. he's Too Divisive.

 

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:44 PM

198. Exactly.. We Don't Need that DIVISIVE

 

Bull Shit.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:25 PM

27. Thanks Kanoko. Your vid says it all. People cheering and yet THAT is the focus?

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 PM

245. Poof.

 

They gone.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:42 PM

52. I didn't hear any cursing at anyone during that segment so idk. If there is proof that someone

 

on his team did this that someone needs to get the boot. I voted for Bernie during the last primary, been following him for over a decade & I'm 100% positive he wouldn't put up with it.
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Response to yaesu (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:46 PM

141. This seems very much like the Nevada "chair throwing" garbage from last time...

 

...completely made up and eaten up here by certain folks.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:22 PM

24. You know it's not representative of Bernie. Plus it's petty to draw THIS out of his rally

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:23 PM

26. He is one of HIS organizers who said that. Did Sanders do anything to condemn that filth?

 

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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:56 PM

160. If it WASN'T representative of Bernie, dude wouldn't have felt comfortable saying it

 

would he?
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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:22 PM

25. Disgusting, and Sanders did nothing.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:55 PM

77. What should he have done since no one heard the comment, including Bernie

 

One person in a huge cheering crowd? Come on. Your immediate jump to conclusions when it comes to Bernie is predictable. Like the guy who showed up with AR15 to a pizza place cause the Clintons were running a child porno trafficking ring...jeez. We don't understand why logic did not tell him this was ridiculous. Like one person's shouting in a huge crowd is perceptable. Like I said watch the vid above
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Response to onit2day (Reply #77)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:46 PM

140. Dave Weigel of the Washington Post reported it elsewhere

 

and when reached by email, confirmed that he heard Craig shout “Fuck Hillary! Fuck Hillary!”

from Weigel's WaPo article:

'No other candidate for the Democratic nomination still talks about Hillary Clinton, whose surprise defeat was traumatic for millions of Democrats. Poking at the primary wounds can be risky; in Michigan, when Sanders reminded the crowd of his successful fight to end the voting power of “superdelegates,” there was a mix of cheers and boos. Mark Craig, 66, a Sanders organizer in Flint, took a cigar out of his mouth to shout a four-letter expletive about the party’s 2016 nominee.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2019/04/14/the-trailer-what-we-learned-about-sanders-2020-this-weekend/5cb088b61ad2e567949ec175/?utm_term=.4dbc59f8d2c9
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Response to onit2day (Reply #77)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:57 PM

248. Was he unaware of John Lewis being booed and shouted down at the convention?

 

He said nothing then either.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:26 PM

29. Is this like the Nevada "chair throwing" thing all over again?

 

I'm getting some real "Yeah, that happened..." vibes from this one.

Unless someone finds this in the video of the event?
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:27 PM

30. Who cares? Why does an idiot who yells expletives get any publicity?

 

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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:28 PM

34. Who cares? me ..

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:44 PM

138. Me too. As a dem, I have never disparaged another dem running for office like this guy.

 

Or any other dem.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:33 PM

42. Sssssshhhhh. You're interrupting the Sanders Daily Dogpile.

 

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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:55 PM

75. I care. We need to know the early signals so

 

that we can get prepared to protect ourselves as early as possible.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:59 PM

82. Idiot? He's the Campaign organizer in Flint.

 

In other words, he's an official member of the campaign, not just an idiot supporter.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:06 PM

88. I've listened to the speech, I heard no shouts of obscenities. Until I get proof

 

that this really happened & that is was someone on Bernies team I've got to call it BS.
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Response to yaesu (Reply #88)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

98. Me too. This is a hit piece. Google the journalist -- Weigel.

 

Fits The Hill’s MO.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:58 PM

164. Cause he's a Bernie staffer

 

And Bernie pledged a "civil" campaign. That's why.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

169. Because Sanders shows poor leadership

 

by having people like that in his campaign. It is extremely important.

Any other candidate would have fired the organizer.
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Response to Doodley (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:03 PM

250. I care when a woman is verbally attacked.

 

Doodley

30. Who cares? Why does an idiot who yells expletives get any publicity?



They advocated violence against a woman. That is wrong. Period.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:32 PM

39. Stay classy

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:33 PM

40. Sick of much lately and so adding this to the pile. n/t

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:49 PM

64. Hopefully, a "former" Bernie Sanders organizer. nt

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:49 PM

65. Wow...one person yelling creates so much interest....

 

Note to self.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:53 PM

72. Gee. That's impressive and convincing.

 

I better run out and vote for Bernie now.
Bernie is kind of like Jesus, Lord save us from his followers.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:04 PM

86. There are a-holes in every crowd. Majority of Bernie supporters vorted for H. Fact.

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:06 PM

89. Latest 'hit piece' on Bernie ?

 

One guy yells "F Hillary",
and you ask :

"Have (has) Senator Sanders condemned this outburst from his organizer?
Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign?
Is this the reaction Senator Sanders wants to elicit with his speech?"

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:54 PM

156. I just want to know why the hell he's dragging Hillary when she isn't in the race

 

what is your boy trying to accomplish here?
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:41 PM

196. A "BS oganizer" and all BS' fans can do

 

is try to cover for him.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:09 PM

92. Obviously Bernie must withdraw from the race !!!

 

This is worse than Biden sniffing someone's hair !!!!

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:11 PM

94. Did Bernie release his returns?

 

it's 5:11PM
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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #94)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:08 PM

180. Maybe tonight during his FOX NEWS TOWN HALL.

 

Perhaps.
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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #94)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:01 PM

230. yup

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:11 PM

95. The other day he scolded the press for not talking about poverty and he uses his time to

 

rant about superdelegates to continue this "rigged" nonsense?

I do think "Fuck Hillary" should be his official campaign slogan.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:15 PM

101. Just once I would like Bernie to speak out in the moment or close to the moment. McCain managed to.

 

Why can't Bernie?
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Response to Hekate (Reply #101)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:43 PM

135. It's one guy in a cheering crowd. Can you hear it in the video?

 

Wasn't McCain responding to a single person talking with a silent audience?
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #135)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:53 PM

153. That "one guy" appears to be a paid organizer or aide of Bernie's. He's not just a random *hole...

 

He needs to be publicly called out by his boss and fired.

Not ignored. Not glossed over.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #153)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:59 PM

166. No argument from me if it happened...

 

...but the post I was responding to was regarding response in the moment. To pick out one voice in that crowd it would have needed to be quite loud. There’s no guarantee he would have been able to hear it.

The audio from the video is of the mic directly in front of Bernie. If it was loud enough for him to hear it should show up there.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #166)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:06 PM

175. True enough. But as it happened over the weekend I presume he's now been informed...

 

Back to what I said: just once I'd like to hear him repudiate the misbehavior of some of his followers. By not doing so once he knows about it, he in essence endorses it.

Which is rather sad for a man with national ambitions.
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Response to Hekate (Reply #153)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:08 PM

235. "appears to be" a paid organizer. Dangerous to make assumptions like that.

 

"Appears to be" based on what? the fact that a reporter called him an "organizer"? I've been a grassroots organizer for decades for lots of issues and only once was I paid by anyone, and that was $40 a month by the Abalone Alliance back in 1980.

I did some research on this guy and posted it in post #225 below. More checking can/should be done but it certainly "appears to be" the case that this guy has no official connections to the Sanders campaign. Seems to be strictly on his own with his organizing efforts, if in fact he is still does more than just attend a rally.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:19 PM

108. Why wouldn't he condemned it?

 

A candidate can't be responsible for every idiot in the crowd. This is a nation of morons we live in.
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Response to Hulk (Reply #108)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:03 PM

171. An idiot who works for him?

 



What is he responsible for?
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Response to mcar (Reply #171)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

258. Agreed.

 

Exactly.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:23 PM

113. More the the point: the superdelegate rule changes were a horrible idea

 

We had the system we had for a reason, as I fear we may remind ourselves this cycle.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:26 PM

120. I always liked Bernie, but he's becoming the Tim Tebow of politics

 

His cult following is just too much baggage for him to overcome.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:27 PM

121. He must have friends or family in Honduras.

 

Or Libya.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:29 PM

123. Burr Under The Saddle

 

Posts like this are really counter productive. People need to leave some of this go. Craig is not the enemy, Trump is so this is taking the eye off the ball. Besides, this just encourages the likes of Craig when the best course of action is to marginalize him. If Craig is part of Sanders staff he should be quietly fired - no fanfare.
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Response to DallasNE (Reply #123)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:07 PM

177. Disagree

 

Bernie pledged a civil campaign. One of his staffers screamed abuse at Sanders' former opponent. Sanders should publicly reject such nonsense and fire the staffer.
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Response to DallasNE (Reply #123)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:56 PM

201. Insurance Companies Hate Medicare for All

 

Insurance companies hate Medicare for All. That is what this attack is about and also its about getting Democrats to fight among themselves. We have better things to discuss like what we are offering The People with our platform.
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Response to McKim (Reply #201)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:23 PM

209. Getting Democrats To Fight Among Themselves

 

Was exactly my point. And people are slow on the uptake as to what is really going on.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:34 PM

127. I can tell you one thing...

 

Any Trump supporters reading this thread are laughing their ass off.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:40 PM

132. i am done with Bernie now

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #132)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:51 PM

217. Is that a new status?

 

Were you not also done with him yesterday?
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:44 PM

137. Bernie needs to fire that guy.

 

Or lose credibility.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:46 PM

142. I wonder what his Jackpine username is

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

144. My daughter was on the receiving end of similar treatment by sanders delegates at National Conventio

 

I was a Clinton delegate to the national convention and my youngest child came with me as my guest. She got a visitor pass for the first night and got to see Michele Obama speak.

This is normally an once in a life time experience. i had been working on voter protection and other issues for a long time including running war rooms and training poll watchers. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention that sort of asked his delegates to behave (it was a weak text and the Clinton campaign was not happy with it) and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. The Clinton campaign had a great whipping infrastructure in place and my whip kept me informed as to the various stunts being pulled by the sanders campaign/delegates. I was warned about the planned stunt of booing Congressman John Lewis 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders. There was a mini-riot after this demand



sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #144)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:14 PM

183. Gothmog, I'm sorry you and your daughter had that awful experience

 

It should have been an exciting time for you both.
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Response to mcar (Reply #183)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:53 PM

302. This incident reminds a great deal about the conduct of sanders delegates at the national convention

 


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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:51 PM

151. Hillary's running in 2020? Who knew?

 




It's 100% clear that neither St. Bern nor his minions have learned anything the last three years...
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:58 PM

163. Not a single Bernie supporter on this thread

 

has said

1. It was wrong and reprehensible
2. Bernie should condemn this and fire the guy
3. This kind of behavior should never be tolerated.

Instead we see

1. It was a minor thing
2. No need to make a big deal
3. He was just some guy, Bernie had nothing to do with it
4. But... but... Hillary
5. But... but... Obama

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #163)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:15 PM

184. Yes, we just need to move on

 

Nothing to see here.
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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #163)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:16 PM

185. Ummmhmmm

 

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #163)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:28 PM

286. mmmm hmmmmm. Yep. 100% correct.

 

And nobody is at all surprised.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:00 PM

167. Some folks are still bitter. They are in tiny groups depending on the side.

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:18 PM

187. ya know if the candidate gets broad enough appeal, there will be a lot of supporters of them

 

who you are not going to like... I hope they stay at a minimum though.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #187)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:48 PM

214. Yep.

 

Could you imagine Kamala Harris attracting the racist, misogynist vote?

But if some of those find their way into Bernie's camp, why, that's just evidence of his "broad appeal"!
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Response to namahage (Reply #214)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:50 PM

215. Yep. Some of the Charlottseville organizers supported Obama

 

I dont Know why, but it is very likely she will attract covert racists if they ever get back in the closet. Just like Obama did.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #215)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:02 PM

218. If you're talking about Jason Kessler,

 

he turned against Obama because of a focus on "identity politics."

Which, interestingly enough, has been used as a cudgel primarily by one candidate's supporters.

It wasn't that Obama promised to make his views more acceptable. It's not like he said that not wanting to vote for a candidate because of their race doesn't mean you're racist, for instance.



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Response to namahage (Reply #218)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:17 PM

221. Identity pOlitics is not a term with a universal definition

 

He was a racist, and realized he cant support obama for that reason. Other candidates may also lose supporters because they realize they arent the blank canvass they thought they were. UsIng crazy supporters to bash a candidate is not productive if we want to wIn.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:18 PM

188. I voted for Bernie last time but this sounds like the same type of tribalism that we

 

se from the Trump camp. Beating Trump should be the goal.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:59 PM

205. Oh, knock it off

 

"Is this the official stance of the Sanders campaign?" Can we at least attempt to be serious?
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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #205)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:07 PM

206. Well the "Bernie hasn't released his taxes" attack is dead so..

 

Looks like the "Bernie supporter yelled a bad word about Hillary" is gonna take it's place.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:31 PM

213. I wouldn't even nibble on that...

 

sounds almost Russian-esque.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:12 PM

220. OMG! This is truly bizarre at this point.

 

Not fooled by this blatant attempt to create yet another false narrative. Hillary’s not running!
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #220)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:29 PM

241. Some BS fans can't get over the Strong Woman..

 


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Response to Cha (Reply #241)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 PM

246. I guess Bernie's base are people who still think DNC/Hillary rigged the election.

 

Crooked Hillary! Is he subconsciously proving his "both sides" message?
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Response to betsuni (Reply #246)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:56 PM

247. Of course, and BS keeps bringing up the "SuperDelegates"

 

to make sure they don't. Excellent Divisive Tactics..




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Response to Cha (Reply #247)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:17 PM

252. Once you've run again cartoon villain Hillary "Satan" Clinton, hard to go back to running

 

against mere humans. He's running against someone who isn't there, like talking to an empty chair onstage. Clearly, he's not running for president.
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Response to Cha (Reply #241)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:59 PM

256. That is truly pathetic. What a shame that whipping up false

 

and divisive misinformation about superdelegates is such a crutch. Calling Hillary names just to rile. If he’s so unhappy with Democrats, makes you wonder......sad.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #256)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:10 PM

257. You're Welcome, RB..

 


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Response to R B Garr (Reply #256)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:13 PM

259. I think this is one of his mottos:

 


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Response to betsuni (Reply #259)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:35 AM

272. lol, this is very appropriate.

 



It's all too obvious at this point, too.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:41 PM

225. I see someone identified as "Msrk Craig" being described as "a Bernie Sanders organizer".

 

I went looking for more about him because many of the comments above seem to assume this guy is on the Sander's staff and that he is a paid organizer for Bernie Sanders. I thought that displayed a questionable leap of logic without more supporting evidence. I know plenty of grass roots activists who call themselves "organizers" for some cause that they believe in, but they aren't paid by anyone nor do they have any formal organizational ties. They freelance organize as the spirit moves them.

I found one story from 2016 that described "Mark Craig" as "the founder of a grassroots volunteer group in Michigan that supports Bernie Sanders"
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4bxepm/ryan_hughes_mi_and_pa_bernie_state_director/?depth=2

I found another from 2016 where he was featured in a (Flint Michigan) human interest story

"Flint, Michigan: Where the pipes poison the water and even the nice parts of town are dotted with vacant homes"
"A generation ago, in a different world, Mark Craig, the founder of an organization called 'Flint 4 Bernie,' was living the textbook American dream...
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/flint-michigan

The guy came off in that story as a fervent Sanders supporter, clearly, but self activated and not in anyway coordinating with the Sanders campaign. Here's some insight into him:

"Craig left Flint right out of high school. He spent 22 years in the Navy before leaving to sell boats in Florida. He came back six years ago after Michigan legalized medical marijuana. He grows his own now, for himself and five others. It’s good stuff, he says. Potent. His girlfriend swears by it. It’s good for her arthritis...

...Craig comes from politics, the local kind. His dad was a union organizer. His mom’s a Democratic party lifer. Over the past forty years, Craig has volunteered for every big name Democrat that’s come around. Carter was the best of them, he said. Bill Clinton was the worst.

Craig quit the party recently. He only rejoined to volunteer for Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator and self-described socialist running Hillary Clinton a close second in Iowa. “I figured it was our one chance to get an honest person elected,” he said. “I’ve had too many Bushes and too many Clintons.”

Every weekend since last spring, Craig has parked the Bern Unit at the Flint farmer’s market. He hands out home-pressed buttons and signs up voters..."

I don't know if it all has changed this time around and now he is the Sanders inner circle as a core paid organizer, but that seems improbable. More likely Craig is still a passionate Sanders supporter doing what he thinks he can to help a politician he believes in.

Screaming anti Hillary Clinton obscenities in a rally crowd does Bernie Sanders no good of course, but nothing suggests that Craig had any significant role in organizing that rally. His outburst was as stupid as it was ugly. I unhesitatingly personally "Condemn it", but there are a lot of passionate people in the world who say and do dumb ass things who I usually don't get a chance to weigh in personally to condemn them.

Calling Mark Craig out is one thing. Implying that he has some important official role in the Sanders campaign is another, and unless someone produces evidence that he does, than in my book he is just some over the top guy who clearly has strong beliefs but lacks some rudimentary political judgement. NOT SOMEONE WORKING FOR BERNIE SANDERS
...
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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #225)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:14 PM

236. Methodical

 

Thank you for taking the time.


There is a lot of frothing at the mouth and crazy pounding on the keyboards while it is still so early...
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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #225)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

251. No one said he organized the rally.

 

Sources, including a couple of Washington Post reporters, said he was a Sanders organizer.

Those aren't even remotely the same thing.

Apparently, he likes the C-word, too.


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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #251)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:56 AM

271. Plenty said he works for Sanders. Plenty said he's a paid staffer. He isn't. That's a big difference

 

The wide spread implication throughout this thread is that Sanders employs this guy and that Sanders should fire this guy etc. And that the fact that Sanders hasn't publicly fired him makes Sanders directly complicit. The jerk IS a strong Sanders supporter, yes. So are hundreds of thousands others. No candidate monitors what each of their loyal supporters might scream out at a large rally.
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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #271)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:43 PM

275. I think you're being intentionally obtuse.

 

"I see someone identified as "M(a)rk Craig" being described as "a Bernie Sanders organizer"."

An organizer is someone who organizes - they find and train volunteers, oversee workers, and/or oversee fund-raising, etc. Craig clearly fits the description as noted in your own sources.

Who cares what people in this thread say? Your argument is that he's not an organizer and that sources who claim otherwise are inaccurate. He is *clearly* an organizer. The descriptions of him as such are accurate.

You're trying much too hard to write this guy off as just some random dude who showed up and bleated expletives.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #275)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:06 PM

280. I don't (and didn't) doubt that he was an organizer. I wondered if he was employed by the campaign

 

I did not know if he was or wasn't when I started searching,but I saw a lot of people on this thread draw that conclusion without having facts to support it. The distinction matters to me because I agreed with those who said that Sanders should fire the guy if he was on staff, except most of them blew past the "if " part.

My point was always that he is not staff, nor embedded in the Sanders campaign.

I am not writing him off as a random dude. He's a hard core volunteer activist supporter. He is not, however, part of the Sanders campaign and many above thought otherwise
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:28 PM

240. Remind me of.....

 

Randi Rhodes
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Response to quickesst (Reply #240)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:57 PM

249. After her unhinged rant against Senator Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro, ...

 

Randi was dead to me and she remains that way to this very day.
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Response to SFnomad (Reply #249)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:53 PM

260. Same here SFnomad

 

Some things you just can't come back from, and that day she stepped into the abyss. The praise she receives here now quite frankly, turns my stomach.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #240)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

309. I'm keeping this

 

Kicked.. because.

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Response to Cha (Reply #309)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:59 PM

311. hey Cha

 

Randi Rhodes passed beyond a path to redemption on that day for me. Once she crossed the threshold, I slapped a lock on the door, and threw the key into a virtual crocodile pit.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #311)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 01:55 AM

312. Nice touch with the crocodile pit,

 

quickest!
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Response to Cha (Reply #312)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 04:41 AM

313. Thanks Cha....

 

.... and right back at ya!
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:30 PM

243. social media is full of hateful attacks on Hillary from Sanders supporters

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #243)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:38 PM

244. Secretary Clinton is still living rent free in a lot of heads ... on the right and on the left n/t

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

253. The more people defend this, the worse it seems. nt

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:49 PM

254. This is not a Democratic rally...people shouting fuck Hillary. Well

 

This Hillary supporter won't support Sanders in the primary...general yes . Primary no.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:57 PM

261. Lol.

 

cue The Big Outrage. Because if there’s anything to throw at Sanders, we must madly hump it.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #261)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:06 AM

262. The Stupid "outrage" was coming from

 

this "BS organizer".
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Response to JudyM (Reply #261)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:55 PM

289. Well the income tax HS is gone so I guess it's replacement

 

is gonna be this high school level stuff.

Some random idiot in a crowd yells out FU Hillary so of course Bernie and his whole entire movement are guilty and should be banished to the outer darkness immediately!

I mean wow.....
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #289)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:20 PM

292. Anything that can be twisted will be, by some obsessives.The guy is still focused on my core issues.

 

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #289)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:04 PM

298. That "random idiot" was a BS staffer in Michigan.

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:21 AM

263. Not helpful.

 

Someone should ask Bernie about this.
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Response to NCLefty (Reply #263)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:43 AM

264. I'm sure BS will come out with a strongly worded post .... soon n/t

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:10 AM

269. Perhaps he was just celebrating

 

The Independent Senator from Vermont's victory as the newest member of the club of the 1%? Like you know, in your face Hillary, we're millionaires too kind of thing?
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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #269)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:52 PM

294. Uh huh..

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:45 PM

276. here we go AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:47 PM

281. This is consistent with the booing of Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #281)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:32 PM

282. Not a chance.. #NeverForget..

 



Gracias, Goth
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #281)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 03:36 AM

295. Etched in democrats' memories like a knife in the heart, Bernie supporters booed and hissed John..

 



Gracias for this, Goth!
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:10 PM

285. Hillary is renting space in their heads. #JustLikeTrump

 

Someone needs to tell them, it's 2019 and Hillary isn't running.
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Response to octoberlib (Reply #285)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:19 PM

288. Oh yeah!

 

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:56 AM

297. What a way ...

 

What a way to attract the millions of Clinton voters who they absolutely need to win. If anyone thinks the Clinton base is going to sit back and have insults hurled left and right they would be vastly underestimating the power of our support and the ultimate prize....our vote.
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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:46 PM

299. For Bernie Sanders, 2016 gets in the way of 2020

 




Sanders has also shown no public desire to confer with Clinton, who retains the affection of many Democrats. Many Clinton allies have remained icy toward Sanders, with some openly lambasting him in media interviews. Some Sanders allies would like to see a thaw.

“One thing that could be healthy for the Democratic Party to unify is for Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton to meet and to articulate the common goal of defeating Donald Trump,” said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign.

There were some flashes of enmity toward Clinton in the crowds that Sanders attracted on a recent swing through Midwestern states where she lost to Trump. They complained that Clinton didn’t campaign there enough, accused her allies of trying to undermine Sanders and, in the case of one man, blurted out a profane insult with her name.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #299)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:51 PM

301. Right.. so that's Not going to happen..

 

Sanders has also shown no public desire to confer with Clinton, who retains the affection of many Democrats. Many Clinton allies have remained icy toward Sanders, with some openly lambasting him in media interviews. Some Sanders allies would like to see a thaw.

“One thing that could be healthy for the Democratic Party to unify is for Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton to meet and to articulate the common goal of defeating Donald Trump,” said Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign.

Thanks for this, Goth!

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 12:37 AM

303. Obviously a trump supporter

 

too stupid to go to the right rally.
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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #303)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:58 AM

304. Actually he was a Sanders'

 

staffer in Michigan.
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Response to Cha (Reply #304)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:12 PM

305. I thought no one could actually hear it on the audio.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #305)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:49 PM

306. Dave Weigel

 


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Response to Cha (Reply #306)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:52 PM

307. I meant the posters here who listened

 


Upline. This tweet is only hearsay, IMO. YMMV

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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:59 PM

308. Craig was near the media section of the rally, though, and my recorder picked him up saying "F--k..

 


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Response to KitSileya (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:27 PM

310. I'm thinking 300 posts about one insignificant idiot are wasted time. nt

 

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