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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:54 PM

 

Dear Joe Biden supporters

The primaries are not over, there's nothing wrong with letting everyone's voice be heard, and this is democarcy in action. Thank you, that is all.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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fallout87 Mar 2020 OP
zackymilly Mar 2020 #1
Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2020 #9
Me. Mar 2020 #2
DownriverDem Mar 2020 #7
Me. Mar 2020 #17
W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #3
George II Mar 2020 #4
fallout87 Mar 2020 #6
DownriverDem Mar 2020 #10
fallout87 Mar 2020 #12
showblue22 Mar 2020 #23
Walleye Mar 2020 #29
still_one Mar 2020 #76
TwilightZone Mar 2020 #36
George II Mar 2020 #14
fallout87 Mar 2020 #18
Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #19
George II Mar 2020 #20
fallout87 Mar 2020 #22
showblue22 Mar 2020 #24
Butterflylady Mar 2020 #60
George II Mar 2020 #30
2naSalit Mar 2020 #79
Walleye Mar 2020 #31
Bev54 Mar 2020 #50
Walleye Mar 2020 #54
Bev54 Mar 2020 #58
Rorey Mar 2020 #62
beastie boy Mar 2020 #26
William769 Mar 2020 #34
ReformedGOPer Mar 2020 #67
William769 Mar 2020 #71
Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
mcar Mar 2020 #40
FloridaBlues Mar 2020 #47
MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #48
Gothmog Mar 2020 #73
2naSalit Mar 2020 #80
DownriverDem Mar 2020 #5
fallout87 Mar 2020 #8
Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #13
ChubbyStar Apr 2020 #92
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showblue22 Mar 2020 #25
Walleye Mar 2020 #33
William769 Mar 2020 #35
NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #59
The Magistrate Mar 2020 #64
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HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #75
kcr Mar 2020 #88
empedocles Mar 2020 #11
Hoyt Mar 2020 #15
efhmc Mar 2020 #41
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Gothmog Mar 2020 #37
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Walleye Mar 2020 #56
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:56 PM

1. Another one to add to my ignore list. Guess you won't see this post though. Bye!

 

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Response to zackymilly (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:02 PM

9. RE: Guess you won't see this post though.

 

That's not how ignore works, actually.

The best way not to have your post seen is not to post it.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:58 PM

2. Stop Already

 

Attacks and accusations of ill-doing etc. is not democracy in action. And frankly, the primaries are actually as good as over as nothing will be changed or gained by what team BS is doing.
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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:01 PM

7. Please help us out

 

How can you be undecided?
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:08 PM

17. Because I Hadn't Changed It

 

But I will add I think you and others have been challenging undecideds throughout this process and frankly people's reasons are actually none of your business.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:58 PM

3. The primaries are over.

 

Sanders has to win approximately 64% of the remaining delegates to win. He couldn't even win 64% of the vote in his home state of Vermont.

Just because Sanders and his merry band of Stein voters want to continue to be a disruptive and divisive force in OUR Democratic Party does not mean that the primaries are not effectively over, because they are.

It's just math.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:59 PM

4. I'd might agree except that there isn't a single upcoming primary in which Sanders can win....

 

...and there's a lot of more important things going on in this country and the world to proceed.

How is anyone's voice going to be heard? People don't give speeches from the voting booth or outside the polling place.

We need to unite NOW to win in November. There's nothing else to be proven in the real world.
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Response to George II (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:01 PM

6. Then what wrong with letting them play out

 

? What's there to lose? If Biden has this all locked up, let's see it.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:03 PM

10. Please Bernie Man

 

All BS and his supporters are doing is helping trump. Please wake up.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:04 PM

12. And your constant attacks on BS supporters is

 

Helping rump.... you understand that, right?
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:41 PM

29. Who's been accusing Joe of rape! For god's sake. That's not helping trump?

 

Stinks of desperation. The people of Delaware overwhelmingly voted for him in 6 statewide elections. Iím really tired of this slander. And Bernieís people keep repeating it. WTF is wrong with them, seriously?
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Response to Walleye (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:15 PM

76. +++

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:56 PM

36. Ah, irony.

 

Looks like you should take your own advice.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:05 PM

14. Have you been reading the news the last week or so? You want to send millions of Americans...

 

...to crowded polls to vote for basically nothing, risking their health or even their lives?

This is getting to the point of the Japanese soldiers hiding out in jungles after WWII, thinking/hoping that Japan could still win.
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Response to George II (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:19 PM

18. By your logic

 

Suppose dRumpf says he wants to cancel the elections in november due to covid 19... what say you then?
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:21 PM

19. He can't do that! Congress sets dates for elections.. please stop with this!!

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:23 PM

20. That's ludicrous and nowhere a realistic comparison.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:29 PM

22. Why aren't the primaries as important?

 

Because your guy is in the lead?
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:33 PM

24. My guy won.

 

it was a blow out. Bernie doesn't have many people going out to vote for him. He tied in the first 2 states with Mayor Pete after spending 100 million dollars and won NV... a cough cough *caucus*
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Response to showblue22 (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:49 PM

60. Don't even try

 

Common sense isn't one of their attributes.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:43 PM

30. Nobody said that. The primaries aren't all on one day, and more than half have been held....

 

Current "standings":

Biden 19
Sanders 8-1/2
Buttigieg 1-1/2
Bloomberg 1

Nine states that he won last time have voted, and he's lost four of those nine already. Clearly there's nothing to be proven or gained, a lot to be lost by proceeding.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:28 PM

79. Because Mr #2 isn't going to win no matter what.

 

So it's over. The wide majority of Democratic voters have already said it's over.

Why keep whipping a dead horse?
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:44 PM

31. The primaries are a nominating process, not an election.

 

Are Bernie supporters too dense to understand that?
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Response to Walleye (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:28 PM

50. I think these people start

 

these posts because they love to cause dissent and argue with others. They make no real sense otherwise.
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Response to Bev54 (Reply #50)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:33 PM

54. I guess I'm so bored that I'm arguing back.

 

However, I am really pissed at these personal attacks on Joe Biden, a good man if ever there was one.
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Response to Walleye (Reply #54)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:45 PM

58. I agree and I get it

 

the attacks are getting more outrageous as they become more desperate.
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Response to George II (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:52 PM

62. This!

 

+1000

Any doubt I had about the decency of Sanders has been completely obliterated in the past few weeks. For the good of the COUNTRY he needs to speak to his supporters about doing the right thing, and HE needs to finally get it through his stubborn brain box that it's time to do the right thing. He needs to quickly and quietly just drop the eff out.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:36 PM

26. In Bernie's view, letting them play out involves continued attacks on "Democratic establishment" and

 

peddling conspiracy theories about Biden.

Biden is locked up for the primaries, but you should pay attention to the right wing media quoting Bernie and his surrogates. This is their fodder for the general election. Don't ever think that when Bernie finally shuts up with his attacks on Biden, they will all suddenly disappear from Fox News and the the social media.

This is what we have to lose. Get it?
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:52 PM

34. What's to lose?

 

Having the full force of the DNC & their money to put behind a candidate to beat donald trump. The longer this primary drags on, the shorter time we have. Bernie know's this, he also knows he can't win so people are starting to ask what are his ulterior motives.

Well you asked.
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Response to William769 (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:24 PM

67. EXACTLY!

 

May I use this to explain the primaries to the Berniacs on Twitter?
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Response to ReformedGOPer (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:35 PM

71. Sure.

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:03 PM

39. Putin definitely is getting his money's worth from his investment in sanders

 

It is time to move to the general election and defeat trump
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:08 PM

40. What's there to lose?

 

Are you serious? How about the election and the country?

While Bernie is continuing his quixotic campaign, raising funds and standing by while his surrogates and staffers spread vile, malicious falsehoods about Biden, it is that much harder for the party to come together under a presumptive nominee. Given the dire situation we find ourselves in, there's no time to indulge the senator's failed quest.

Also, Sanders, his surrogates and staffers spend more time attacking Biden and the Democratic party than they do Trump and the Republicans. Many of their attacks either generate from, or end up on, Breitbart, Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of the deplorable media.

BTW, I still haven't seen one Sanders supporter on this board condemn Bernie's surrogates for their vile, malicious falsehoods against Biden.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:24 PM

47. It's called time to build an organization for Biden around the country

 

Esp during the crisis we are in. It takes time and money. By Sanders remaining in limbo doesn't help.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:25 PM

48. Because people will get sick 😷 voting

 

Because we need to be fighting one enemy now and joe Biden doesnít need to spend precious resources fighting a primary opponent. His GOTV people should be working on the November GOTV
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:25 PM

73. The primary is over

 


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Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:33 PM

80. Bernie isn't even a member of OUR PARTY so he can butt out any time now

 

that he's spent a year being an infiltrator for heaven knows who... actually we do know but the point is, he needs to go back and do his day job and stop being a Democratic poseur.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:00 PM

5. Wrong Bernie man

 

It's over. Only folks like you won't accept it. Please stop helping trump.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:02 PM

8. Attacking Sanders' supporters

 

Is doing more to help Trump than anything else.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:05 PM

13. Have you seen the terrible cut throat ads, FB & twitter posts sanders and his syncophants are

 

Running?

Go look at those then come back and tell us who is harming who!
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 05:51 PM

92. syncophants?

 

If you are going to hurl an insult at least spell the word correctly. Weak sauce.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:08 PM

16. ?

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:34 PM

25. Sanders supporters are accusing Biden of rape!

 

Go police your own.
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Response to showblue22 (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:49 PM

33. And Sanders has done nothing to discourage them!

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:54 PM

35. Trust me, you all don't need any help with that. nt

 

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:49 PM

59. How so?

 

Please explain.

Are you threatening that BS supporters will vote for Trump if they aren't coddled and cajoled into voting for Joe?

Are you saying that unless you BSers are handled with kid gloves, you'll stay home in November?

Exactly how is it "helping Trump" to point out that Bernie and his fans are too delusional to accept that he's already LOST the race, and nothing will change that fact?

We already have a "pResident" who is delusional, who spreads false rumours about his political enemies, and who has an ego the size of a small planet. We don't want another.
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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:58 PM

64. One Attacks, Ma'am, By Not Giving In To Their Demands 'Bernie' Get What He Wants

 

As Mr. Lincoln said, in speaking against the South's demands slavery be accepted as legal and right in all states, or the North would be responsible for any trouble that ensued, "Now that is cool. A highwayman puts a pistol to my head and says give me your money, or I will have to shoot you, and then you will become a murderer."




"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:46 PM

69. Sanders supporters and staffers

 

attacking Biden is doing more to help Trump than anything else.

There, I fixed it for you.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:11 PM

75. Too bad.

 

The campaign of the aggrieved has lost.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:58 PM

88. So you're going to vote for Trump out of spite?

 

15 percenter?

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:04 PM

11. Your BS and BS supporters voice, is only mere pretext thwarting the overwhelming number

 

of Democrats, [and democracy], who realize the reality of trump - over 'aspirations'.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:07 PM

15. What's wrong with it is that this is the kind of crud that helped give us trump.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:13 PM

41. Still trying to get an answer to this:

 

NEW @ABC/@washingtonpost poll

General election head-to-head
Biden: 49%
Trump: 47%

Among Sanders supporters:
Biden: 80%
Trump: 15%

Please explain this to me.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:29 PM

21. Sanders cannot win the nomination.

 

He could, however, withdraw and strongly endorse Joe Biden, who will win the nomination. Instead, his surrogates are busy making false accusations about Biden, which works against him in the November election.

That's why people are calling on Senator Sanders to do the right thing and help us defeat Donald Trump.

I assure you that negative sentiments regarding Sanders are going to continue to increase. He is fighting against our winning the General Election right now. That is just the wrong thing to do.

There is absolutely no path to the nomination for Bernie Sanders.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:37 PM

27. We are also free to ignore the fruitless howling at the moon

 

coming from the Sanders campaign. If you want to waste your time and money that's up to you, but Bernie hasn't a chance in Hell and there are much bigger fish to fry right now.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:39 PM

28. Well I am letting my voice be heard.. enough of this sh*t already from Sanders supporters

 

accusing Biden of every sin known to man.. There you go.. Democracy in action
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:46 PM

32. So if Warren, Klobuchar or Buttigieg

 

Hadnít dropped out but were still polling badly and insisting on staying in the raceóbut hurting BS and/or the party, youíd be okay with that?

Fat chance.

As it is, nobody is losing their precious say. Theyíre not being expected to do anything that any other failed candidateís supporters have had to do when the nomination gets locked up early: quit crying, grow up, accept defeat graciously, and vote for the down ticket races that matter, too.

Youíll get over it, like every other failed candidateís supporter has had to do.
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Response to Aquaria (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:16 PM

44. Yes, they were so gracious to Warren, weren't they?

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:58 PM

37. So sanders is going to help trump be re-elected

 

Putin is no doubt happy that sanders is going to help trumps re-election efforts. Putinís investment in helping sanders is paying off
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 02:59 PM

38. I've heard Bernie's voice enough.

 

He has nothing new to say. His surrogates keep saying ugly things and are getting even worse.

Everyone knows Bernie is done. Bernie knows it, too.

Every word he speaks or that his staff speaks that arenít used to damage Trump makes it harder for the democratic nominee. And whatís worse is that the damage directed at Biden and the party only serves to help Trump.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:15 PM

42. This isn't a football game, where it's customary to fight bitterly till the clock runs out,

 

no matter how lopsided the score. No, it's a primary election, where (presumably) all candidates are on the same side and not out to damage their opponents. Conceding gracefully during the primaries - as soon as it becomes apparent one cannot win - is practically de rigueur among real Democrats (and Republicans as well).

It's not that complicated, just Political Literacy 101. To do otherwise damages one's party; every real Democrat understands and accepts this custom. Only a true political illiterate, or someone seeking to harm the Democratic party, would persist in this Quixotic quest to win the primary. (And let's not even mention the desperate ratfucking efforts on the part of certain Sanders' surrogates.)
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:15 PM

43. To what end? Do you think Sanders can win?

 

Biden could lose every remaining contest by 10 points and STILL clinch the nomination.

So what do you think will happen?

Democracy has already spoken. Sanders lost. All that remains is if he chooses to damage the nominee.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:19 PM

45. I absolutely do NOT give a rip what Bernie Sanders or his supporters do.....

 

The race is over. It was over before the first primary was run.

There is nothing Bernie could do because he never had support from ALL minority communities.

He is free to proceed in whatever way he chooses as it will have no effect on the outcome of the race.

I said before the first primary that South Carolina would begin Biden's dominance for the simple reason he has support in all Democratic communities, not just the white community and some in Hispanic community.

I have no idea why this is such an issue on this site.

I bear Bernie and his supporters no ill will.

If they choose to live on fantasy island that he can turn it around in communities where he has little to no support, god speed to you.

There's no need to fight about it, though.

No need for Biden supporters to worry about it. Bernie cannot change the outcome of the primary race. Neither can he have a material impact on the Trump Biden race. Joe is not nearly as controversial as Hillary Clinton seemed to be.

Neither should Sanders supporters feel obligated to get out of their bubbles and see what's real; incomplete minority support that has not changed for years.

Let's talk about something else.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:24 PM

46. Concur. And in this democratic process, your candidate has no chance of securing the nomination...

 

...save from something tragic happening. So, my question is this; when will your candidate recognize that fact and stop endeavoring to split the party? Just asking for a friend.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:28 PM

49. The Reason Democrats Want Sanders To Stop, Sir

 



Is that 'Bernie' is not actually running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President.

The sooner people get that through their heads, especially those of his supporters who mean well, the better it will be for our people and our country.

The fact is Sanders campaigns not to gain the Democratic Party's nomination for President, but to weaken if not wreck the 'Democratic Establishment'. For 'Bernie', ousting Trump and ending the Republican majority in the Senate is barely an afterthought to this long-standing purpose. Once Sanders' supporters face this fact squarely, they may be able to decide honestly what their best course in this election is: voting against 'Bernie' in any future primary, and for Mr. Biden and Democrats all down the ticket to the lowest office on the ballot come November.

It is probably true that Sanders sees destroying the 'Democratic Establishment' as an essential precondition to defeating Trump et al, and so by his own lights he means it when he says he will do all he can to defeat Trump. But that belief is so self-serving and delusional it deserves not just scorn but contempt.

As with Trump, the only real cure is to deprive the man of the oxygen of worshipful attention. The effect would be that of a bucket of water on the wicked witch of Oz....





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #49)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:38 PM

56. Well said!

 

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Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:28 PM

51. The primaries are over. There is something wrong with Sanders continuing and doing damage to Biden.

 

A responsible person with integrity would get behind Biden 100%
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:29 PM

52. How is this helpful.

 

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:32 PM

53. It Is Not Meant To Help, Sir

 

It is meant to harm.

It is meant to keep in countenance Sanders' campaign, not for the Presidency, but to damage if not destroy the 'Democratic Establishmet', which 'Bernie' is convinced is the chief obstacle to liberal and progressive policies.





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #53)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:36 PM

55. My post was blocked in general forum citing my exasperation at

 

the continuing unhelpful and actual harmful posts. These aren't normal times. I want us to speak with one voice.
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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:52 PM

61. The Proprietors Don't Want Primary Wranglings Anywhere But Here, Sir

 

Understandable.

It is my view they should declare the contest decided, and deal with the fall-out from it. Which will necessarily be the expulsion of a number of members, who have grown blind to good sense and sound reson in their support of 'Bernie'....





"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:44 PM

57. No. This is a sociopathic ego in action. You're welcome.

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 03:54 PM

63. This primary is over. You are in denial. :) nt

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:15 PM

65. It's over dude

 

Nobody wants Bernie. Now go control your own before they hand Trump reelection
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:18 PM

66. Your people were telling Warren to drop out

 

Let us ask your man to drop out.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 04:37 PM

68. Of course...if you want to elect Trump...will never forgive Sanders for 16 and now this...you are

 

on ignore ...done with this...no reason to risk lives for a known outcome...sure I get the new Sanders shit....why M4A will sweep him into the greatest comeback of all only it won't...Sanders has lost he and his supporters who are in denial only help Trump. See you after the primary...as one poster noted, I can't look at Sander's face anymore...so done with him.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:18 PM

70. Oh FFS. Bernie's Chances to Win Are Over. A Real Dem Would Cede the Race so Biden Can Pivot to the

 

General. Bernie is what happens when you allow an interloper who is more concerned with damaging Dems and our party infrastructure than beating Trump. Hopefully this is the last time Dems have to deal with his shenanigans of using of the party to run for POTUS.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 06:02 PM

72. For this thread

 


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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:13 PM

74. What's stopping you?

 

And when Bernie was doing well, I saw Bernie folk telling people on Facebook that it was over and that the only adult thing to do was to vote for Bernie. They didnít seem concerned with making nice with Biden voters. So itís a little funny seeing Biden folk being told that they must make nice now.

Both sides tend to do this. It just depends on the forum youíre residing in at that moment.

By the way, I was a Pete person, so not totally sold on Biden. But more aligned with a more practical approach than a revolution

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:15 PM

77. Derp? Still Derp? When will the Derp stop?? Please answer this question.

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:22 PM

78. I always read profiles. Thank you, that is all. n/t

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:38 PM

81. "Democracy" is a latest talking point.

 

Bye bye
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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:34 AM

82. Democracy is a talking point to you?

 

Wow.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #82)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 09:12 AM

84. Absolutely It Is, Sir, In The Mouths Of 'Bernie' And His Wrecking Crew

 

"From Bernieís perspective, dropping out of a race once you have no chance of winning is peculiar behavior that can only be explained by the work of a hidden hand. For most politicians, though, it is actually standard operating procedure. Only Sanders seems to think the normal thing to do once voters have made clear they donít want to nominate you is to continue campaigning anyway."





"When things are not called by their right names, what is said cannot make sense. When what is said does not make sense, what is planned cannot succeed. When plans do not succeed, people become uneasy. When people are uneasy, punishments do not fit crimes. When punishments do not fit crimes, people cannot know where to put hand or foot."


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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:02 AM

83. If "democarcy" includes promoting Tara Reade's lies, then I don't want to hear it. n/t

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 06:24 PM

85. Yes they are.

 

The primaries are not over,
Yes they are.

Losing hurts, doesn't it? That's not a good enough reason to want to kneecap our party's nominee, Joe Biden. That's not a good enough reason for the smears and attacks and LIES against the Democratic party. Those lies only create negativity and distrust and resentment. It weakens the party and empowers the GOP.

Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

That's not "democracy in action"... that's called sabotage.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #85)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 01:11 AM

94. Primaries are over Surely you have a link?

 

I'd be really interested to read, since none of the major news outlets, nor the DNC is posting that the primaries are over. Thanks!
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 06:53 AM

95. Haaaaaa!

 



Surely you have a link?


The voters have made it clear who their choice is... and it's not Bernie. Bernie would need to DOMINATE the remaining states with the same percentages that Biden dominated Bernie so far... and that's just NOT going to happen.

You know it. I know it. Bernie knows it. EVERYONE knows it. It really serves no good purpose in pretending that Bernie can win this. He can't. It's over.

Losing is hard, I know. But it's time to accept reality. The primaries are OVER. A decision has been made.
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Response to fallout87 (Reply #94)

Thu Apr 2, 2020, 07:46 PM

96. Well... goodbye.

 

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:47 PM

86. yawn....

 

We've got bigger fish to fry than stroking Sanders ego and his supporters who don't want to face reality.

You can still vote in the primaries..it just won't change anything.

The rest of us are moving on to fight the fascists in the White house and senate now. Help out or get out of the way.
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:52 PM

87. Sorry, but they are indeed effectively over.

 

Bernie has no chance. His staying in the race only helps Trump. Fact.
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Response to kcr (Reply #87)

Tue Mar 31, 2020, 02:08 AM

89. Attacking BS supporters only helps tRump

 

Fact!
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90. How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary

 

sanders was appealing only to 30% of the party and after South Carolina the rest of the party moved to Joe Biden to stop sanders.


Rarely has political momentum flipped as quickly as it did in the first half of March, as Mr. Sanders lost serious ground to Mr. Biden before the coronavirus slowed their race. There are well-known reasons for the shift: Moderate candidates like Mr. Buttigieg and Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota rallied around Mr. Biden. He enjoyed demographic advantages, particularly with black voters. And turnout among young voters and liberal nonvoters did not surge, failing to reshape the electorate as Mr. Sanders had hoped.

But beyond ideology, race and turnout, a chief reason for Mr. Bidenís success has little to do with his candidacy. He became a vehicle for Democrats like Ms. King who were supporting other candidates but found the prospect of Mr. Sanders and his calls for political revolution so distasteful that they put aside misgivings about Mr. Biden and backed him instead.

In phone interviews, dozens of Democrats, mostly aged 50 and over, who live in key March primary states like Massachusetts, Virginia, Michigan and Florida, said that Mr. Bidenís appeal went beyond his case for beating President Trump. It was his chances of overtaking Mr. Sanders, the only candidate in the vast Democratic field they found objectionable for reasons personal and political.....

These votersí willingness to unite against Mr. Sanders helped Democratic Party leaders stave off his insurgent campaign and has made Mr. Biden the all-but-certain Democratic nominee. The convergence behind Mr. Biden also highlights a critical difference between this yearís primary and what happened to the Republican Party in 2016. Four years ago, establishment Republicans were openly skeptical of Mr. Trump after his victories in early primary states, but a fractured field and split primary vote allowed him to amass an insurmountable delegate lead, reshaping the party in the process.....

Ahead of Mr. Sandersís presidential run in 2020, his campaign did not concern itself with smoothing tensions among voters who supported Mrs. Clinton in 2016. He did not seek the endorsements of many party leaders, who were always unlikely to back him, but could have been swayed from being openly antagonistic to ambivalent.

As a result, after a strong finish in Iowa and wins in New Hampshire and Nevada, Mr. Sanders did not benefit from an assumed truth of presidential campaigns: that early-state victories help bring in voters from other factions. Instead, people like Lori Boerner of McLean, Va., said Mr. Sandersís performance sent them searching for a candidate who could stop his rise, and after the South Carolina primary, they landed on Mr. Biden.

The vast bulk of the party does not like sanders which is why Joe Biden is going to the nominee
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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 04:17 PM

91. You are wrong

 


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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:07 PM

93. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness

 

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on



If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what theyíve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. Itís not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the ďdemocratic socialistĒ crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of ďBernie or BustĒ Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda ó and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
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