DeWine and Larose defying judge's order, cancels OH primary

[New Breed Leader]

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[LisaL]

1. Yep. No election tomorrow.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. It was the right thing to do... what's the rush?! Better safe than sorry!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[still_one]

83. Because they are defying the court ruling. If they really are concerned about this, what they

should do is send out mail-in ballots to every registered voter who hasn't already voted early. That may require legislative action, but if they really care about it, they can fast track the legislation

My suspicion is though is that safety is not their real concern, and they are just trying to add confusion to the Democratic primary

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. How can they even do that?

[dchill]

14. They're Republicans, they do illegal shit.

It's their way.

[Cha]

3. Omg..

[George II]

4. How can they do this? What happened to the "rule of law"?

[Aquaria]

6. IOKIYAR, of course.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

27. Laws are for suckers.

[videohead5]

36. No, Laws are only for

Democrats and they even pull laws out their butts that don't exist.

[LuvLoogie]

5. Fuckers.

Now Bernie is going to rail on tv that they should all be post-poned

[Quackers]

7. I'm gonna break ranks with you guys here. I think he made the right call.

I live in Ohio, fwiw.

[BidenBacker]

13. Ohio can shut it down if they want

But out here in Arizona we're gonna go ahead and exercise democracy tomorrow as planned.

Besides, they're giving away a big "I risked getting coronavirus to vote for Joe!" button that I really want.

[onenote]

17. So I guess you think the restrictions on group gatherings are unnecessary?

[BidenBacker]

19. Okay, you got me

The real reason why Arizona is going ahead with our primary is because we're so lazy we don't even bother to change our clocks, let alone our elections.

[Steelrolled]

63. Sounds like my kind of state!

[dware]

20. This just floors me as to how many people thinks this is a conspiracy,

and not a public health preventative measure.

I'd be willing to bet my military pension that if Dewine were a Dem, there would be wide spread praise for his foresight in protecting the public.

[onenote]

22. Yep.

People expressing outrage at members of the task force standing close to one another expressing outrage at efforts to protect poll workers and voters.

[Demsrule86]

45. I live in Ohio and I don't agree. This was political...and now I guess the rule of law

is unimportant in Ohio.

[dware]

53. So I guess that spreading the virus is good as long as the rule of law is followed?

[Demsrule86]

85. You don't get it. I live in Ohio...vote by mail is used to screw with the vote...one tiny mistake

and your ballot is no good...Also you have to download a form, copy it and your id and mail it in...this will limit the voter turn out. So spare me ...people are still going to work. There is no guarantee that it will be better in June...and then what? This fucking primary goes until the election...say hello to four more years of Trump. Also, this is a dry run for the General where they can toss plenty of votes and manage an electoral win for Trump using absentee ballots.

[captain queeg]

77. I have sister in OH, I'm going to ask her tomorrow what she thinks

[BidenBacker]

8. Big deal

Things like judges and courts and laws are so overrated.

Why go to all the hassle and expense of having a complicated judicial system when you can just make a quick cheap phone call to the White House and ask the Fuhrer what he wants to do?

Efficiency, people!

[FarPoint]

9. Oh for Fuck Sakes!

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I live in Ohio.. I'm way too frustrated with these political games of obstruction

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

30. They have taken voter suppression to a whole new level.

F*ck the courts, we'll do what we want!

[dware]

39. What voter suppression?

The primary has only been delayed due to the real possibility of spreading the virus.

I agree that Gov. DeWine did the right thing to protect the citizens of Ohio.

The primary will still happen in June.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

44. Oops! I forgot the :sarcasm: smilie.

Since I don't live in Ohio, I'm not going to worry about it. We've got enough to deal with here in SoCal.

[dware]

50. No problem.

Have a great night. I'm actually sitting at the T/A Travel Center at the intersection of I-15 and I-10 waiting to pick up a loaded Walmart trailer to take to Pahrump, NV. tomorrow.

[Demsrule86]

47. There is no guarantee they will have it in June...by mail voting is extended until June...what stops

them from canceling it again.

[Demsrule86]

86. It is fucking bullshit...and what folks don't see is this is how they will play the general...with a

right wing packed court to give them the stamp of approval...we will be lucky if we have elections going forward.

[msongs]

10. ... nt

[BGBD]

11. I don't think they can....

All they have done is close the polls. I think there is a very good chance that unless something happens the Ohio Primary is going to be held tomorrow with no polls open. I think that would mean they would have to certify the election tomorrow based on only the early and absentee vote.

Nobody in Ohio Government has the authority to change an election date without an act of the legislature or a judge. The judge has ruled that the election must proceed and there hasn't been an emergency session for the legislature. Now, the polls are being ordered closed based on a public health emergency. That, on its own, doesn't constitute a postponement of the election.


DeWine simply waited too long to try to postpone this election. He should have made that decision last week when Louisiana did it. This is a failure of governance.

[Celerity]

12. Verified per MSNBC just now, the polls will be closed, but not the election, the deadline will be

extended.

[dware]

15. Thank you for that info.

Personally, I think the right decision was made, no need to potentially expose poll workers, or citizens more than is necessary.

[SamKnause]

16. Good, I was not looking forward to going out tomorrow.

I am social distancing.

I didn't want to restart my count.

Today is day 2. No contact.

I would be on day 3, but my niece and her husband came to visit.

I am basically a hermit, so I am a pro at social distancing.

[BidenBacker]

24. From one hermit to another

https://chummytees.com/products/i-like-coffee-and-maybe-3-people-t-shirt-hoodie-tank-top

You know, if we get really rich we can get promoted to "recluse". Like Howard Hughes did.

[SamKnause]

25. Thanks. That made me chuckle out loud. I love hot black coffee.

The only chance I have at becoming rich, is a winning lottery ticket.

I only buy about 4 a year.

When you don't go out much it limits ones purchases.

[Demsrule86]

48. Well my guess is we won't have a primary thanks to DeWine.

[democrattotheend]

18. This seems like a dangerous precedent

As much as I want people to stay safe, a governor defying a court order to postpone an election is a dangerous precedent.

[dware]

21. As opposed to large gatherings of citizens

with the possibility of spreading the virus?

[BidenBacker]

23. Let's see what they say

when Fuhrer Drumpf declares martial law in November and suspends the general election indefinitely.

[Turin_C3PO]

28. The good thing is

that individual states are in charge of the election so Trump can’t cancel it. Now, if some red states want to cancel on Der Fuhrer’s orders, fine. Landslide Biden.

[BidenBacker]

37. That's why I like you, T-Man

Always thinking ahead!

[dware]

43. Thank you.

It amazes me how many people think that the Mango Menace can cancel the elections, even though they're state run.

[BidenBacker]

49. Problem is

as Cha astutely pointed out there are some GOP governors in crucial swing states who could do their Fuhrer's bidding and "postpone" their states elections using CV as an excuse. Nobody knows what it's gonna be like come November.

But apparently you'd be quite jiggy with that.

[dware]

52. Apparently you know nothing about me.

And no Gov. is going to cancel any election unless there's a full blown crises.

[BidenBacker]

54. If you say so

But we now already have an example of one defying the courts in a situation that is not even close to being a "full blown crisis". Yet.

[dware]

55. So you're good with potentially spreading the virus as long as the rule of law is followed?

[BidenBacker]

57. People don't have to vote if they're that scared

They had weeks to vote early. We've known about this virus for over 2 months now...it ain't like it just sprung up yesterday outta the blue. Folks have been emptying shelves of food and supplies for quite some time now.

https://www.wksu.org/post/dewine-declares-state-emergency-after-ohio-confirms-3-cases-covid-19#stream/0

DeWine says Secretary of State Frank LaRose (R-Ohio) will roll out more information on how the state plans to prevent the spread of germs during the March 17 primary election. For example, DeWine says the 75-plus polling locations set in nursing homes will be moved to a different location. He encourages people to avoid large crowds by voting early at their county board of elections or by mail.

This was a week ago...why didn't DeWine ask to delay his OH's primary right then and there if he thought it was serious enough to declare a state of emergency?

If people are too stupid to plan ahead a little they're probably too stupid to be trusted with a vote, anyway. I submit Ohio's vote in 2016 as Exhibit A.

[dware]

59. Maybe because the CDC just recently issued it's recommondation to limit

gatherings to no more than 50 people?

Think maybe that might have something to do with it?

Besides, the primary will go on, Joe Biden will become our nominee, and he'll beat the snot out of the Mango Menace come this Nov.

It's better to be safe than sorry.

I'll bet my military pension that if Gov. DeWine were a Democrat, there would be wide spread praise for him for looking out for the health of the public.

[BidenBacker]

61. Yeah

the same CDC who made the problem as bad as it is because they dragged their feet for over 2 months addressing the issue in the first place and totally screwed up their test kits so we could get an early handle on the situation. Anybody who relies on THIS CDC to figure out what they should or should not be doing is putting their life at risk.

Didn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out we had a biological storm headed our way and that there were things they could be doing to prepare for it. Like maybe voting early and crossing that item off their list before going to Walmart to pick up a little extra toilet paper?

I don't need that condescending HHS asswipe Azar or anybody else in Trump's incompetent administration to give us advice about what we ought or ought not to be doing. I'm still too busy following Krudlow's advice and "buying on the dips!". That ain't working out too good lately either...LOL.

Besides, it's all just a "hoax". The Fuhrer said so.

[dware]

62. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Have a great night.

[BidenBacker]

65. No hard feelings, dware

I'm just arguing with you a little because we ain't got no sports on TV to distract us a little and got nothing better to do.

In all seriousness, I understand your viewpoint and am torn between what the best course of action is. There are a few threads on this topic and without doing a detailed count opinions seem to be pretty much split.

Fuck Trump and his whole rotten administration for putting us in this spot in the first place. Pretty sure we can agree 100% with THAT, eh?

[dware]

67. No hard feelings from me either.

Fuck Trump and his whole rotten administration for putting us in this spot in the first place. Pretty sure we can agree 100% with THAT, eh?

You bet we can.

I do miss seeing my D'backs play, hope they can win another WS sometime this decade.

[Demsrule86]

87. How convenient this was done just before the primary.

[Drunken Irishman]

73. So, if this was November, you'd be perfectly okay with states postponing elections?

Defying court orders?

I think a lot of people are hypocrites. If this shit was pulled in a general election, you'd all be yelling bloody murder and rightfully so.

We just set precedent that it's perfectly reasonable to postpone an election, defying the law, if extreme circumstances call for it.

If you think this is the right move, you cannot complain if the Republicans try to pull this stunt in November for any reason.

[evertonfc]

26. smart move

or at least that's what most on here seem to think about everything else that involves gatherings.

[Turin_C3PO]

29. I have mixed feelings.

I think that gatherings should be limited but I don’t like the precedent set by defying a legal court order.

[dware]

46. I'd like to know what that judge was thinking when he issued an injuction,

was he thinking of the public health hazards with such a gathering of people?
Was he thinking of the danger to the poll workers?

Personally, I think Gov. DeWine did the right thing, the primary will still be held in June, when it wil be much safer.

[BidenBacker]

51. Put dware down as

being in favor of defying a court order if he/she doesn't agree with the ruling.

You sure you're a Democrat?

[BidenBacker]

66. See my subsequent post in our other mini-thread

Just sparring with you a little because there's no hockey or baseball on.

[dware]

69. Saw it, just replied to it and now I'll delete the other one.

[dware]

58. BTW,

I wasn't always a Democrat, I went to Vietnam a Republican, I came home a Democrat, and have been since, so, again, I'm positive I'm a Democrat.

[BidenBacker]

68. When I graduated from college

I was leaning slightly Republican but for the most part I was pretty much apolitical for a long time.

We sure do stupid shit when we're young, huh?

[dware]

70. That we do my friend, that we do.

Luckily, we grow up out of our stupidity.

[BidenBacker]

71. Since you're former military you might be interested

in watching a few minutes of this. It was the last thing I worked on before I retired.

[dware]

72. Awesome!!!!

That is quite the weapons system.

[BidenBacker]

74. Yeah

it was a blast to work on...figuratively and literally!

Anyway, thank you for your service. Glad you made it back from Nam. Peace, brother. BB out.

[Cha]

31. Any campaign surrogate engaging in online voter suppression should be reported,

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[Sunsky]

78. Sets a dangerous precedent for the general in November

and future elections. Who knows what emergency will have republican governors postponing their elections.
I'm happy DeSantis didn't follow suit.

[Cha]

79. Exactly, Sunsky.. I wonder why

DeSantis didn't fold?

[Sunsky]

80. I was shocked when he didn't

I think he just wants to get it over with.

[Cha]

81. Well good for him.. trump can't be too

happy about that.

[rustbeltvoice]

32. Republicans are relentless and have no respect for law.

DeWeasel looks mild-mannered, but has always been a highly partisan below the belt fighter (Clinton impeachment, dirty senate campaign against Sherrod Brown, etc). He had a case brought before a Franklin County (Columbus) court, using employees of Sec of State LaRose as plaintiffs late to-day. The judge followed the law, and rejected DeWeasel's move. Late in the evening, he has a state health officer, Amy Acton, to close the polls. That is really pulling one out of his ass. Well, Ohio has been a southern state for some time.

[defacto7]

33. Why did he ask the court to begin with if he was going to

have the plug pulled anyway?

Games.

[BidenBacker]

42. GOP Justice

Judge rules in favor...we win. Judge rules against us...we just go ahead and ignore him and do it anyway.

Win-win.

[C_U_L8R]

34. They could have responsibly postponed this weeks ago

But this way costs the Democrats more while sowing chaos and distrust in our institutions. So fuck yeah, why not???!!! What GOP assholes.

[budkin]

35. I agree with this

You cannot continue to spread this virus right now. Delay the primary. Biden has it wrapped up already anyway.

[beathimlikeadrum]

41. This is

Serious malarkey. This virus did not spring up yesterday. This is a right wing governor attempting to damage Biden before the general election by extending the primary.

[relayerbob]

60. Whether it's held or not, he should be jailed for contempt

[peggysue2]

64. We really have entered a period of anarchy when a Governor defies a court ruling

Despite health concerns, this is not a good thing. November cannot get here quick enough!

[Cha]

76. Exactly Peggysue..

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[Cha]

75. Gov. DeWine (R-OH) has unilaterally removed his state from a position of influence in the Democratic

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[stopdiggin]

82. not everything is a conspiracy

(in fact most things) And this can very well be explained through the lens of public health and safety.

I would like to see the state back before the judge on the following day with counter argument and explanation. But with the other actions and decisions taking place across the country ...

[Maeve]

84. Ohio Supreme Court allows delay of primary

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200316/coronavirus-ohio-supreme-court-allows-delay-to-primary-election

For real this time: There is no Ohio primary Tuesday.

Early Tuesday, the Ohio Supreme Court denied a legal challenge to the state delaying the primary. A candidate in Wood County filed the action alleging the delay of the primary violated election laws.

Only four justices participated in the ruling, which was issued without an opinion.

The ruling capped a chaotic 12 hours in which it appeared the election was off, back on, and then off again.

[Demsrule86]

88. You can expect Trump judges to fix the General as well...and before you tell me that they can't do

it...I suggest you consider they did it in GoreVBush. The GOP plans to steal another election with a little help from their buddies on the court.