Democratic Primaries
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Rather than attempting any reach out to moderate voters who voted for Obama or Hillary, Bernie chose to try to appeal to people who listen to Joe Rogan and Cenk. Now he's really trying to hug Obama. I think voters will see how disingenuous this is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I have no idea why we wouldn't want millions of Joe Rogan listeners to vote for a Dem against Trump in November.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)with a podcast focused on weed and mixed martial arts. For some reason lots of simpletons find him entertaining.
See also; virulent transphobe, meathead, homophobe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Never heard of him. Thanks
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rownesheck
(2,343 posts)the host of Fear Factor, that amazing, intellectually stimulating reality show?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Im not gonna deny enjoying that when it first came out. It did grow old fast but it started out fun.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)It's hit and miss with his guests and takes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Crowman2009
(2,478 posts)I watch YouTube drama way too much. So I knew about this jerk years ago when pricks like Stephan Molyneux and Jordan Peterson were appearing as guests.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PJMcK
(21,921 posts)Particularly for Rogan's audience.
Enjoy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Get a few days ago.
I threw up in my mouth a bit when I saw that.
He disgusts me personally but is jus another Bernie supporter who hates Democrats. Big supporter of Ron Paul and Johnson for Libertarian Party
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)...and end up not voting for us in November anyway -- fuck 'em.
PS - After all that happened on Super Tuesday, are you *really* still pushing the narrative that Sanders is the one expanding the party? Because in the actual contests that have taken place thus far, *Biden* is the one expanding the party by winning through increased turnout.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But they still seem to be a popular thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)the future people will start talking about luring people in from the fallen candidate. You shouldn't piss each other off too badly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SilasSouleII
(357 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
grantcart
(53,061 posts)embraced by Sanders (I) Vermont.
What supports of Sanders (I) Vermont fail to understand is that as long as Sanders (I) Vermont continues to identify in the Senate as an (I) rather than a (D) then he is making the biggest daily "Fuck em" in the history of Presidential politics. Wants to take over the party but Sanders (I) Vermont won't make the smallest consideration for part solidarity.
Just saw Sanders (I) on TV saying that he would have won Super Tuesday if there was a bigger under 30 turnout (which ironically undercuts his claim that he is driving turnout).
Perhaps you should call Sanders (I) and tell him that he should stop denigrating Democrats with a general "Fuck em" message.
If Strom Thurmond and other sitting Senators were able to change party designation then it is a factors that Sanders (I) could have changed but preferred the "fuck em" message to Party leadership, long term Democratic voters and party solidarity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)There are largely non-ideological, the definition of "swing voters". I have no idea why anyone would not want people like that to vote for the Dem candidate against Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)Hell, they're not even turning out for Sanders now!
If they share Democratic values and value what we value, they will find their way into the party -- they don't need to be "brought in." The only people that are being "brought in" that would otherwise not already join are those disruptive, divisive types that have only sown discord among Democrats for the past few years.
They can stay out. They are not needed. Biden is reassembling a rejuvenated Obama coalition along with the suburban voters that led us to an overwhelming victory in the 2018 midterms. They are who will lead us to victory in November -- not those temporary Democrats that trash us more than they do Trump and the Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I sure hope that works out better this time than in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)Most Sanders-backed candidates were resoundingly repudiated, whereas the types of candidates that he and his supporters spurn are the ones that won us back the House.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)and who just happen to include a large number of a racial demographic Sanders isn't appealing to, because "that state won't go blue in the GE anyway" kind of dismissal?
Bernie Sanders Cancels Mississippi Rally, Shifting Focus to Michigan
https://www.theroot.com/an-open-letter-to-white-liberals-blaming-low-informatio-1842100419
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chakaconcarne
(2,387 posts)Fuck 'em? We don't need this kind of dialogue here if we wish to stay united.....which I think is our goal.
That is my opinion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)If they don't join simply because their values match our values, and instead are only "brought in" by a singular personality and don't really care much about our values otherwise, then fuck them. Those types have caused far more problems for us over the past few years than they have helped us. Give me the suburban mom vote who is upset with the turn our country has taken over the angry internet incel who constantly trashes Democrats and the Democratic Party and threatens to vote for Trump if we don't nominate Sanders.
So, yes, FUCK 'EM.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)W_HAMILTON's "f*** 'em" basically means if they aren't going to vote for us in November anyway, We do not need them.
I believe that "f*** 'em" is a more colorful way of saying basically the same thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lostnfound
(16,138 posts)Canvassed for Bernie in 2016, donated to his campaign more than any other politician in my life.
But. He isnt always discerning about his choices of people. He rejects billionaires, fine, but sometimes accepts people that seem hazardous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I find it highly ironic that people who want to move to the right to attract right-wingers like Jennifer Rubin (I'm not saying you specifically, but definitely a lot of people here are happy with her support), but then Joe Rogan, who has a much larger audience, is off limits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(93,856 posts)His current claim is: trust me, Ill get them for the General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)There's really no denying the fact that nominating Biden is trying the same thing as 2016 and expecting different results. A centrist with a stellar resume.
Now, maybe we willl get different results, I hope we do. But Biden voters in the primary consistently say their main objective is defeating Trump. If that's true, they should turn out to vote against Trump in any case.
Bernie does better with young voters, with independents, and with voters who decided based on policy rather than electability. And whether or not Bernie is the nominee, we definitely want those people to turn out. And they are less reliable than the "just get rid of Trump" voters. Which is why, at some point, it would probably be a good idea to stop calling them Bernie Bros and cultists, and instead of telling Joe Rogan and his millions of listeners to go fuck themselves, maybe give them a reason to vote for Dems.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(93,856 posts)The OUR REVOLUTION and JUSTICE DEMOCRATS had a poor showing...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Because if you're wrong, and Trump wins again, I'm afraid that 2024 will be too late to learn the lesson that "safe" centrists like we ran in 2000, 2004, and 2016 is not actually a "safe" strategy. If we lose, the court will be 6-3 or even 7-2, and the rest of the judiciary will be full of crazy right-wing teenagers. And Trump will become even more unhinged since he doesn't have to face another election.
There are things that are different than in 2016 for sure, and the primary turnout is indeed encouraging. I hope all that, and people having witnessed how bad Trump actually is, is enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)-Amazing ground operation!
-We have knocked on one billion doors!!
-Candidate for the young generation!!
Exit polls:
18-29: 13%
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greymattermom
(5,751 posts)For me, that's a big problem. Joe seems like a normal, not crazy person. I think that's the main thing we need now. Also, Joe knows who to hire. He knows most of the candidates already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)We'll see. I hope everyone else is right that Biden is the best candidate, because we need to beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)One of the things that killed us in 2016 was the Black voters who showed up in 2008 and 2012 for Obama but did not show up for Hillary in 2016. However, this year, Black voters seem to see Biden as Obama continued. This is why they are showing up for Biden--because Biden did everything he could for eight years to see that Obama's initiatives were passed. No person on this planet worked harder to help Barack Obama's Presidency than Joe Biden. Black people know this, and Super Tuesday showed us that they know this.
Someone posted a video, yesterday I think, with Joy Reid of MSNBC talking about how, when Joe Biden was in the church where the Civil Rights march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge started, that this was Joe Biden's church. They treated Joe Biden like he was Barack in that church because he represented Barack to them. Joy Reid was in that church when Joe Biden was there, and she said when she saw how Joe Biden was treated there, she knew that he would sweep the South. All of the major Democratic candidates were there in Selma that day except Bernie Sanders--who for some reason did not show up.
Joe Biden would have walked through fire for Barack Obama. Obama knows it, Jim Clyburn knows it, and practically every Black person in America knows it. This is why we are going to beat Trump in November, because for decades as a U.S. Senator, Joe Biden worked to help the 21% of the population of Delaware that is Black, and for eight years he worked to help Barack Obama. Joe Biden will make sure that Black Americans show up in November because to them, Joe Biden is not some promise that may or may not come true. To them, Joe Biden is the guy, year after year, who has fought for Black America.
Finally, for Joe Biden, the single most important part of his campaign since it began has been built around three words: "Black Votes Matter". This is why the pundits for months called South Carolina "Joe Biden's Firewall". It was the hill that Joe Biden would live or die on. It was the hill that he spent his entire lifetime getting ready for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... I'm not getting this "wait till the GE" for the new people position, it doesn't make since relative to out current voting laws.
A lot of those "new" people Sanders can bring out NOW but is not
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)but he couldn't even bring out the young people to vote for him on Super Tuesday. However, the voters came out big for Joe Biden, especially the older Voters. College Bob did not show up and vote for Bernie. Grandpa Bob did show up and voted for Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)If the tent is big enough for Jennifer Rubin, I don't see why it shouldn't be big enough for Joe Rogan. After all Joe Rogan is far more influential. And he's not a right-winger like Rubin, he's basically non-ideological.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
showblue22
(1,026 posts)After Trump, people crave decency. Embracing Joe Rogan does not bring calm and decency to our nation, and frankly a lot of people really want that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)A snake is not inducive to being friends.
Calling voters the establishment does not work either. Espcially when you have been in Congress 30 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)There's nothing saying Rogan is even going to vote for Bernie. I kinda think, maybe, I might possibly vote for Bernie. Probably. Yeah, solid endorsement there.
He's just screwing with people, which is kind of his thing. Some see through it. Some don't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Exactly the kind of people who might turn out to vote for Dems, but might not.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The main fact is that we tried running a centrist with an impeccable resume in 2016, and we got Trump. Trying the same thing and expecting different results...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,435 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(30,722 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Long ago. He is just a rabble rouser.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)So, there is that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,049 posts)with his podcast, my son listens often.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McKim
(2,412 posts)I am not aware that this is a crime. I wish we could give this a rest! The Democratic Party is going to need progressive votes. Better to spend time incorporating some of Warren/Sanders idea into the platform.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)and student debt solutions.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(2,963 posts)It's a matter of reaching out to Democrats. All of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AGeddy
(509 posts)That's what changed the momentum.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,072 posts)There is no way for you to know if it is or isn't disingenuous unless you were his best friend from high school and talk to him every day.
Bernie was on with Rachel last night so does that qualify as reaching out to moderate voters?
And don't you think it would be useful to get voters from every possible niche?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
morillon
(1,185 posts)I'm not a moderate by any stretch of the imagination, despite having voted for moderates any number of times because I thought they were the best choice at that time to further goals that were important to me.
I voted for him in 2016. But the stuff that went on after that, particularly at the convention, really put me off. I'm still not over it, to be honest. The bully stuff then and now, the my way or the highway, us against them...nah. I don't care how liberal or progressive someone is -- if that's their go-to for dealing with people who disagree, I'm gonna be a nope.
On most things, I'm not much swayed by endorsements or spokesmodels or whatever. But when it comes to Democratic politics, John Lewis is a bellwether for me. He's practically a deity where I live. Although Biden is my third choice, the fact that John Lewis supports him makes me even more certain that voting for him is the right choice.
If Sanders wins the nomination this time, I'll vote for him, no question, but I hope he realizes he's got more than moderates and conservatives to make comfortable with his candidacy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,912 posts)to honor John Lewis and those who Marched on Bloody Sunday March 7, 1965.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
showblue22
(1,026 posts)White working class. He said so many times in 2016 it was only after 2016 that he dropped the word white. People pay attention, they do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Constantly plugging questionable snake oil products... fountain of youth supplements and workouts...
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/joe-rogan-bernie-sanders-and-politics-controversial-endorsement
Imagine the howls of laughter from Sanders supporters if Gwyneth Paltrow was to endorse Joe Biden...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden