Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum'Down-Ballot Carnage': James Clyburn Sounds the Alarm About Bernie Sanders Nomination
Mediaite article with video at the link:
Clyburn said he has been in Congress 28 years, but in the minority 21 years, which is not a fun place to be. He echoed his endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden, saying the country needs someone who will make the greatness of the country accessible and affordable, and warned against a repeat of the 1972 Democratic convention.
I remember the crowds that George McGovern brought in, I remember all of the excitement, Clyburn recalled George McGovern left there, 3 oclock in the morning, everybody yelling about what a great victory this was. He carried one state. One state.
-snip-
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Walleye
(30,935 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Then he will not know what he is talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Farmer-Rick
(10,134 posts)Bernie has won more that 1 state. So his comparison is wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)alarm for the last month. Clyburn is spot on,listen up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,610 posts)I remember the crowds that George McGovern brought in, I remember all of the excitement, Clyburn recalled George McGovern left there, 3 oclock in the morning, everybody yelling about what a great victory this was. He carried one state. One state.
Pray we do not have a repeat of this again in 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)I saw this movie in 1972 and it's nearly the exact same scenario.
I'd hope to die with a relative peace of mind that my children and grandchildren would be on a forward trajectory, but alas, that doesn't seem to be what the future holds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)How does the guy winning every demographic and leading all polls lose 49 states? That's completely illogical.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,945 posts)Once they get over pissing themselves if he gets the nomination, they will go to town on him. You'll see those numbers plummet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)If the right wants Sanders as the nominee, why did Trump tell Lev Parnas he doesn't want to face Bernie in a secret meeting? And why did McConnell publicly tell his Republican colleagues not to support Bernie, because he'll be harder to beat than they think.
Dems pushed Trump to be the candidate in 2016 thinking Hillary would win easily. How did that work out?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,945 posts)constantly attacked over a 30 year period, which all coalesced in 2016. Democrats had little or nothing to do with Trump winning the Republican nomination, it was more a "boiling frog" case that the Republican party didn't take Trump seriously enough until it was too late to do anything about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2020, 07:21 PM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Submariner
(12,497 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2020, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Please give us your assurance that Rep James Clyburn is wrong. We eagerly await your response.
Edit an hour later. The Bernie gang are avoiding Clyburn's comment like the plague because they know the representative is right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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carlvsam
(21 posts)Only eight minutes after your edit, one of them showed up ...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Sorry but that is insulting, and I have been fooled all this time thinking we are all Democrats...geez, how the World changes so rapidly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Perseus
(4,341 posts)So I decide to oblige your "what say you?"
I hope you all remember this day if Biden gets the nomination because I believe you will all be unpleasantly surprised. For one, trump WILL debate Biden, and he will have him for lunch, or dinner I guess because that is when the debates are on. Biden will do his thing of trying to be "bipartisan", which is what made us loose the first two years of the Obama administration, remember when Obama and Biden spent two years trying to bring the republicans to contribute to the well being of the country and we lost those two years? One would have thought that Biden would have learned that "he cannot negotiate with republicans", and trump, who already comes with a plan to give the opponent names, to lie against him/her, to bring out the worst they find in the baggage, etc. will not listen to anything Biden says, and will confuse Biden, so between gaffes and other things, trump will be having Biden for dinner right in front of our eyes.
Doesn't it make anyone wonder why is it that Biden has done so terribly at the Democratic debates? Anyone who thinks he did well was not watching, not reading articles, commentaries, they were going la, la, la, la, la, la, can't hear you!
Now, I know that even as stupid as trump is, that he knows how sharp Bernie is, so trump WILL NOT debate Sanders, it will be up to Sanders to do a very aggressive campaign, to expose all the dirt from not only trump but the entire GOP, which he can do.
On Clyburn...He is part of the status quo, of course he wants Biden, of course he doesn't want Sanders, everything he adores from our system which we all know doesn't work for the rest of us, but it does for him and his colleagues is in jeopardy if Sanders wins, I mean, all the pharma donations, and others that contribute to his campaign....For example:
Lawyers/Law Firms
$148,659
Insurance ---- See? Sanders is a threat to his $99, 661.00
$99,661
TOP CONTRIBUTORS 2019 - 2020
AFLAC Inc
$32,600
Votesane PAC
$29,000
Health Professionals
$71,881
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products
$64,310
Now you see why Clyburn is warning, he is just using different language, but what he is really saying is that if Bernie Sanders wins he can say goodbye to all those beautiful donations from pharma, the medical and insurance industries...Plain and simple.
I hope I have answered your "what say you?" question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Submariner
(12,497 posts)That may well be true.
I would like to believe all our Democrats in congress are putting the fate of the nation, and the dire need to beat Trump badly, ahead of contributions, which would mean nothing anyway, but a dead end representative job if the repubs win both houses of congress.
If they aren't putting Trump's removal first, because they want the contributions first, then were all done. I hope your right and I'm wrong, but I just don't feel it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rwsanders
(2,594 posts)because of becoming republican lite. Most democratic voters (outside of the bubble here) support progressive policies and those policies are supported by a MAJORITY of republicans.
More of the same is unelectable, analysis shows the "swing voter" is actually and very small group and largely a myth. The side that will win will mobilize their voters.
Another moderate in the end will be ineffective at dealing with the threats we face even if they could win. Does anyone here really comprehend the threat that never ending wars and climate change pose?
Democrats held majorities at the beginning of Clinton and Obama's first term and nothing happened. The mood soured and they lost the majority in the mid-terms. They hemmed and hawed and insisted that they were frozen because they didn't have a super-majority.
The left has failed in this way world wide and it is causing a swing toward the radical right across the globe.
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/nprs-egregious-takedown-of-bernie-sanders-fact-checked/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/robert-reich-makes-the-case-for-sanders-and-warren/
So this is how I plan to judge my candidate (does yours make the cut?):
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)How did his endorsement work out?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Submariner
(12,497 posts)and his prediction that we could lose the House rings true, because many of the seats we picked up in 2018 were center to center right districts we took from the repubs. When those same districts see the socialist candidate yelling and flailing his arms around promising free everything we stand to lose them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
anamnua
(1,102 posts)McGovern was a visionary who was unfortunately way ahead of, and out of sync with, his time.
Bernie is in sync with the current time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(58,440 posts)How could McGovern lose? Everyone I know voted for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gordianot
(15,232 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,085 posts)Oh the rallies! The rallies!!! The excitement! The enthusiasm! All the young people! Hes got the YOUNG people!!! Theyre all on fire for him! SUPER-motivated!!!
And he went on to LOSE FORTY-NINE STATES.
He LOST 49 states. Including his own.
He LOST 49 out of 50 states. Only Massachusetts came through for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries|
It shows that Hillary won 34 states and Bernie 23, there is a map there to show in full color the states each won.
I would love to see where you got your data from.
Candidate-----------Hillary Clinton-------------Bernie Sanders
Home state------------New York-------------------Vermont
Delegate count-----------2,842---------------------1,865
Contests won---------------34------------------------23
Popular vote----------16,914,722----------------13,206,428
Percentage-----------------55.2%-------------------43.1%
Please share the link where you got your data from?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
James48
(4,426 posts)And flip the Senate, and add to the House.
FDR did well in 1932 too. FDR took 42 states, expanded the a House, and flipped the Senate in 1932.
Bernie needs to push that his proposals are indeed much like FDR in 1932. The rest of us need to start talking about how Social Security in 1932 was just a dream- republicans called it Socialism- and it took a big push by Dems under FDR to make it a reality.
JFK knew Medicare for the elderly was needed, but it took a big push with LBJ to sign it into law.
Now it is going to another big push to make Medicare for all a reality. Bernie care do that, and bring people down ballot along. FDR has big coat tails. Bernie will have them too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Every man has a right to life; and this means that he has also a right to make a comfortable living. He may by sloth or crime decline to exercise that right; but it may not be denied him. We have no actual famine or death; our industrial and agricultural mechanism can produce enough and to spare. Our government, formal and informal, political and economic, owes to every one an avenue to possess himself of a portion of that plenty sufficient for his needs, through his own work. H.L. Mencken, July 2 1932
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/03/how-franklin-roosevelt-won-the-contested-1932-convention-and-the-white-house.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
iluvtennis
(19,825 posts)this 2020 election is not the right time for it.
To get the malignant trump out of the white house, we need a middle of the road candidate -- one that will get those center independent voters who voted for trump last time to vote Dem.
Once we get that middle of the road candidate elected and start undoing all of the damage trump has done, then we can start thinking about revolutionary change.
It's all about baby steps.
My opinion only.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,792 posts)I keep trying to sound this alarm too. Do we want the party we love in the hands of someone who hates it, with surrogates like Cornel West, who equally despise it? What will they offer us in Northern Michigan or Eastern Washington?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,884 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)will use to take Sanders apart, once he has the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,440 posts)I live in Bernieland, but I know there are places even in California where he will be a drag.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moderateguy
(945 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(58,440 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lees1975
(3,839 posts)Remember all the caterwauling, whining, crying and screaming, including some pretty pointed name calling and some statements questioning the mentality of anyone who would vote for Donald Trump during the Republican primary 2016. But they sucked it up and got him elected.
The Democrats have laid the groundwork for a November 3 landslide against the nut job in the white house pretty much ever since he got there. Have you seen the evidence of it in the string of unprecedented victories won in the elections since then?
Trump has made himself unelectable. There aren't enough deplorables in the country who can fend off what's headed his way. Heck, Bernie has as large a head to head lead in the polls now as anyone else does. He wins, hands down if he's the nominee. I think even Tom Steyer or Tulsi Gabbard would beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
maximusveritas
(2,915 posts)He has more money than ever to spend on ads and getting out his vote. There's a reason the prediction markets have Trump as a big favorite.
You can't compare this to Trump in 2016 because Trump was appealing to a part of the country that is much bigger in number than the left wing of the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,886 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden