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billpolonsky

(270 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 03:59 PM Feb 2020

Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders

Soooper genius...

[blockquoteDozens of interviews with Democratic establishment leaders this week show that they are not just worried about Mr. Sanders’s candidacy, but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance. Since Mr. Sanders’s victory in Nevada’s caucuses on Saturday, The Times has interviewed 93 party officials — all of them superdelegates, who could have a say on the nominee at the convention — and found overwhelming opposition to handing the Vermont senator the nomination if he arrived with the most delegates but fell short of a majority.


[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage|]

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ripcord

(5,084 posts)
1. I want to hear how we are going to expect young people to support the DNC
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:04 PM
Feb 2020

After they are told their opinions don't matter and they should leave politics to the old folks.

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bucolic_frolic

(42,681 posts)
6. The "ME" generation only thinks about themselves and not the patriotism
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:10 PM
Feb 2020

that citizenship requires. Democracy is more than the collection of individual self-interests. It's the common good, the social goals, the laws that protect our civil rights. So if that's all the young expect, is to be pampered with the brilliance of their own self centeredness, then they are summer soldiers who cannot and do not believe in democracy.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
11. Are you kidding me?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 05:26 PM
Feb 2020

Are you actually saying that young people's votes should matter less because you don't think they share your values? That wanting their votes to count = "expecting to be pampered with the brilliance of their own self centeredness"? Why the hell should any of them voter for our nominee in November if that's the party's attitude?

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Celerity

(42,675 posts)
14. The "ME" generation is the Boomers, literally and figuratively, at least in the US
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 12:53 AM
Feb 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_generation

The "Me" generation in the United States is a term referring to the baby boomer generation and the self-involved qualities that some people associate with it. The 1970s were dubbed the "Me decade" by writer Tom Wolfe; Christopher Lasch was another writer who commented on the rise of a culture of narcissism among the younger generation of that era. The phrase caught on with the general public, at a time when "self-realization" and "self-fulfillment" were becoming cultural aspirations to which young people supposedly ascribed higher importance than social responsibility.




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bucolic_frolic

(42,681 posts)
2. Actually it would enhance party power and image in the minds of party members
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:06 PM
Feb 2020

To stand for something, for our core values, for not being violated by Wikileaks, planted scandals, foreigners, and cults.

The party has stood proud with its 2018 House majority. They stand for the Constitution, the Rule of Law, and they will find a way to recommit to democratic government when they again are voted into power.

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Sparkly

(24,141 posts)
3. Bernie Sanders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Benefit Bernie Sanders
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:06 PM
Feb 2020

as I see it.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,049 posts)
4. Just a bad idea to put this out. Why do they think Bernie's supporters
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:07 PM
Feb 2020

are so rabid and loyal this time around? It's because they feel he was screwed last time. It's a sort of Trump-effect--the more supporters believe the powers-that-be are against your guy, the tighter they cling to him. It's going to be trouble.

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bucolic_frolic

(42,681 posts)
7. You have a point, but he didn't stop last time
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:12 PM
Feb 2020

and he won't stop this time. He obviously doesn't care about the damage.

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BusyBeingBest

(8,049 posts)
9. I have to say this--so far he's winning fair and square.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:16 PM
Feb 2020

He is not my choice, but people have got to come to grips with that fact if he comes out ahead.

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democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
12. I was thinking the same thing
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 05:27 PM
Feb 2020

Even if they planned to have the superdelegates pick someone else at the convention, why say so now?

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BusyBeingBest

(8,049 posts)
13. Democrats love shooting themselves in the foot. And then the other foot.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 05:30 PM
Feb 2020

And then each other's feet.

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bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
5. I think without a majority, the convention must make the decision.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:09 PM
Feb 2020

I agree that the convention delegates should make decisions based upon a variety of factors. I don't think that a person with a plurality automatically should be anointed.

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PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
8. "...with his left wing agenda of Medicare for All..."
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:12 PM
Feb 2020

Hmm...cui bono?

A divisive article designed to inspire the fear that the health insurance lobby wants us to feel about M4A.

So, why would the Sulzberger family and Carlos Slim take this position? Or do they leave the editorial positions to their editorial staff?

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ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
10. talking about this now
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 04:23 PM
Feb 2020

is handing the ultimate grievance on a silver platter to those who insist the DNC screwed Bernie last time. There's no way to overstate how much damage this will do.
Pelosi, Schumer, and even Hillary Clinton recently making noises that they would support Sanders if he was the nominee? that's the right thing to do...it at least provides some cover that the will of a very large number of voters will be respected... even if it's not stated in good faith.
Outright saying you're going to ensure that you'll keep him from the nomination? That's utter madness. You can rationalize it by saying "those are the rules" over and over and over again. It's not going to fly with many, many people and you're dropping a bomb on the primary.

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