Elizabeth Warren checks a Bernie Bro on how delegates are handled at convention

[iluvtennis]

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[Video clip] In which Elizabeth Warren decimates a Bernie Bro in the same fashion she did Mike Bloomberg. #CNNTownHall

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Elizabeth Warren "keeping it real". Love it.

[betsuni]

1. Excellent!

[MontanaMama]

2. She's something.

Elizabeth can think on her feet, defend a position and still be respectful. She’d be a wonderful POTUS.

[blm]

3. Nah. She was pretty easy on him.

She didn’t go Black Widow on him. She’s saving that for Trump.

[TwilightZone]

10. I guess you didn't watch the video.

[LizBeth]

5. Warren is good. Thanks.

[DanTex]

6. Stuff like this is why Warren dropped so much in the polls.

At one point it looked like she was the leader for the nomination, and then she started attacking Bernie nonsensically, like in this clip, and that's when she started dropping. I honestly don't know why she does it, they are both for the same progressive platform. I'm guessing it's some advisor or consultant's idea.

The problem is that she's a progressive, and so she needs to attract progressive voters, and progressive voters care about things like democracy rather than party insiders choosing the nominee.

[iluvtennis]

7. Didn't see Warren attack Sanders -- only saw her state the facts to the townhall participant. nt

[Lady_Chat]

42. +1

[JudyM]

49. No, she didn't state the facts. She lied.

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He had to work within the system as it then existed, which involved attracting superdelegates to your side. He was working with a status quo-skewed system.

He never wanted superdelegates to be able to overturn the popular vote. Period. As soon as folks regrouped to hammer out revisions to the rules, he argued against superdelegate influence. Having them wait to vote until the second round was the most the party leaders would give him. Her suggestion that he is not wanting to play by rules he created is a damned lie. “Damned” because it’s an attack on his character, his integrity, not just an innocent misstatement. Notice how carefully she walks around the issue of him creating the rule. She knows she’s lying.

[whathehell]

51. So you know that she "lied", rather than making a mistake?

I don't think so.

[JudyM]

53. It was a very high profile dispute. Of course she knew what his position was!

[whathehell]

56. There's no "of course" involved, unless you have personal knowledge, which

you clearly do not.. Have a nice one.

[JudyM]

57. Um. I think she's *at least* as well-informed as I am.

[whathehell]

58. But I'm not sure

how informed you are.

[JudyM]

59. That doesn't make any sense... I'm obvs informed enough to post the facts about what happened.

[TwilightZone]

9. Everything isn't a Bernie attack.

Pointing out that Bernie has changed positions on this (more than once) isn't an attack. It's a fact.

[Skittles]

29. um.......they see facts as attacks

always have

[TwilightZone]

62. Agreed

I think it's getting worse, though I'm not sure I thought that was possible.

[JudyM]

60. He has not changed positions. He has always advocated for pure popular vote.

He had to work with the existing playing field of superdelegates before the rules were changed to get closer to a popular vote (i.e., second round instead of automatic involvement of superdelegates).

[TwilightZone]

61. No, he hasn't.

I have no idea why people keep making this claim, but it's patently false.

[JudyM]

63. Please share evidence.

I will recant if you find any. Not holding my breath, though.

[TwilightZone]

64. Sure.

"SDs shouldn't count" - 2015

"SDs should count" - 2016 -- https://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478705022/sanders-campaign-now-says-superdelegates-are-key-to-winning-nomination

Note: the qualifier that only his SDs should count or that he only wanted the SDs from the states he won isn't a valid argument. Either all of them count or none of them do.

"SDs shouldn't count" - 2020

Simple enough? It would be difficult to find a position change more obvious than that one.

[JudyM]

65. No. This is still consistent with what I said.

The only reason he went along with trying to get superdelegates in ‘16 was because those were the party’s rules. He never advocated for continuation of superdelegates, a fact implicitly supported by Weaver’s statement in the article you linked: “Now we can argue about the merits of having superdelegates," Weaver continued, "but we do have them.”

[Hermit-The-Prog]

13. That was an attack on Bernie? Somebody must've changed the video.

All I saw and heard was Warren correcting somebody about rules that BS helped write.

[relayerbob]

14. And you believe it's "democratic" to award 47% of the delegatesq

to the guy who got 34% of the vote.

As Yang said, math counts.

As Liz said, rules count

She does it because she is honest, even it hurts her

[blm]

15. No, she started drop when Biden n Pete targeted her INSTEAD of Bernie

on M4A all last fall as they counted Bernie out after his heart attack.

[BlueMTexpat]

40. This. eom

[LonePirate]

16. Explaining how the nominating process and convention work is somehow attacking Bernie?

Everything she said in that clip is true. Should she stop being honest now?

[pnwmom]

18. What are you talking about? Where in this clip is a word of her attacking Bernie,

much less attacking him "nonsensically"?

Did you even watch it?

[LiberalFighter]

20. What?

[lunasun]

23. Facts is facts

warren once again just giving a history lesson he was part of that movement

[squirecam]

28. The willful ignorance is stunning here.

Warren pointed out to the questioner that Bernie took the same position in 2016.

These are called facts. Deal with them.

[SunSeeker]

35. She dropped in the polls because she said people would have to give up their private insurance.

She bungled her M4A message. The cost her the Not Bernie vote. When she tried to get them back by saying there would be a long transition period, where people could keep their insurance, that didn't bring back the Not Bernie voters, and angered the M4A purists, who went to Bernie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-health-202/2019/11/18/the-health-202-elizabeth-warren-is-no-longer-a-medicare-for-all-purist/5dd145a788e0fa10ffd20ed8/

[Recursion]

50. I mean, yes: she dropped in the polls because she answered questions honestly

I wish that weren't the case

[Blue_true]

8. That guy looks the world like a republican plant.

Great for Liz, she decimated that asshole.

[rwsanders]

34. I wish folks here would get smarter about that. There is going to be a lot of people claiming to be

for this candidate or that who jumps in to try to make the candidate look bad.

Far better to set up a debate on the issues, or maybe that is what folks are trying to avoid.

[Warpy]

36. I was thinking the same thing, myself

They all look like they were stamped out by some machine, and sound like it, too.

Warren made him look just about as silly as he is, poor bugger.

[W_HAMILTON]

11. I love her interjecting some reality into his delusion.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

12. Wish there was better audio. Her voice is clearer than that.

[nilram]

37. Here's one with better audio

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[Hermit-The-Prog]

54. Thanks!

[R B Garr]

17. Love it!

[DURHAM D]

19. He was such a smug ______.

Pretty sure his girl friend now thinks he is a total jerk.

[Aaron Pereira]

21. That was Elizabeth Warren's position in 2016 as well. Maybe she forgot.

"I'm a super delegate and I don't believe in super delegates," she said.

"I don't think that super delegates ought to sway the election," Warren said before giving a talk focused on income equality as part of the Massachusetts Democratic Party's annual state convention.

https://www.masslive.com/politics/2016/06/sen_elizabeth_warren_i_dont_be.html

[blm]

25. Doesn't like the idea, but, still plays by the rules. She said they all agreed

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to the rules. What do you think she must have forgot?

[Callado119]

32. The point was that in 2016 BS wanted the super delegates to give him the nomination..

...after Clinton won more pledged delegates, now he’s saying that would be unthinkable since he thinks he has a good chance of getting a plurality this time..so basically he’s a huge hypocrite...but of course you’re trying to evade that ugly part of it...

[moriah]

41. And Hillary made the same argument, briefly, in 2008.

(I voted HRC in 2008 and 2016 primaries, so don't say I'm bashing her either. Truth is truth.)

Under the old rules, yes, you could appeal to the superdelegates. They have never answered that appeal and it generates bad press, but the appeal itself was within the rules.

Under the new rules, unless a candidate already has not just a plurality but a majority of pledged delegates, the superdelegates will sit out the first vote, and we will see the roll call of pledged delegates (some of whom may not be the pledged delegates we see now, as some states have provisions for the votes for candidates who have dropped out to go to others) only.

Now, depending on the plurality amount, I would think the superdelegates should decide to go with the winner -- especially if they're *just* short of the threshold for a majority on pledged delegates, which is potentially possible.

But it's also possible that isn't how it will go. We had 7 people at that last debate. Obvs people will drop out.

I think we are being very irresponsible to speculate now and try to say exactly how that second ballot should go, without knowing pledged delegate totals and delegates originally pledged to people who may later drop out.

We'll know more by mid-March. It's not that far away.

[DonaldsRump]

22. Goodness me

Two things I just learned:

1) I am right in loving Elizabeth Warren. She is a phenom and, at least this year, will make an excellent VP addition to our ticket.
2) Bernie Bros: give it up! I'm getting fed up with your victimization.

[musicblind]

39. The more I hear her eviscerate her opponents during debates

I'm starting to wonder if she shouldn't be at the top of the ticket.

If she isn't at the top of the ticket, I hope she takes over as Biden's debate coach. Her zingers are deadly.

[NBachers]

24. I'm a Biden supporter, but I've been telling everhone, Elizabeth is the sharpest knife in the drawer

She thinks on her feet, she doesn't coddle fools, and she's got a detailed plan for everything she wants to do. And she'll follow that plan and implement it.

[ms liberty]

43. This, this, this. She would be a great President. n/t

[TalenaGor]

26. he bababooie'd!

He's a Howard Stern fan.... And he probably just asked that question to say baba booey on air cuz that's a thing lol

[HarlanPepper]

27. That was a thing of beauty

It’s quite a sight to watch bubbles and narratives get shattered in real time. Bravo, Senator!

[subana]

30. wow! she's good!

she's right, that was Bernie's position in 2016!

[Gothmog]

31. I sat three rows behind Senator Warren at the National Convention

Senate Warren is correct

[AGeddy]

33. That guy was the physical embodiment of every online Bernie Bro

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

38. Just saw that on Twitter

[Nanjeanne]

44. In 2016 the super delegates voted in the first ballot so every candidate had to lobby

for their votes. It was part of the process.

The compromise process for 2020 is they only get to vote in 2nd ballot if there is no majority. It was Sanders hope that there would not be superdelegates, but the DNC wouldn’t go for that, so this was the compromise position. I’m sure no one expected the field to be so large.

To compare Sanders position in 2016 re super delegates to now is illogical. It’s a good sound bite for people who don’t understand the different systems but a very different thing.

[brooklynite]

45. Result: #PrimaryWarren is trending on Twitter

[mcar]

46. And now they are calling for her to be primaried

[Gothmog]

48. I saw that this was trending on twitter

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[Gothmog]

47. Warren is correct-I saw sanders efforts first hand

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

[samnsara]

52. ..on a bro...not bernie

[Nanjeanne]

55. Some actual info rather than revisionist history. In 2016 super delegates were

required on the first ballot. So all candidates had to lobby for them to move the process forward to nomination.

Sanders wanted rules changed to eliminate super delegates. 2nd ballot was the compromise.

In 2016 Sanders did not lobby for super delegates in states that Clinton won with a good margin.

Sanders simply wanted the super delegates in the states that SANDERS WON to honor the votes of those states and have those super delegates in his column. In states were the voters were very close, he said if delegates thought he had a better chance of beating Frump to vote for him. Otherwise don’t.

So basically Sanders position was pretty much what it is now. Voters should choose and if super delegates are needed in the mid, they should cast their vote for the candidate that won that state.

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[Gothmog]

66. #PrimaryWarren is trending on twitter

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[Gothmog]

67. Joe Biden- Where was bernie with Hillary in 2016? He did not support Hillary. He is not a Democrat.

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[Gothmog]

68. Warren calling Bernie Sanders a massive failure.

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