Warren strategy?

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:13 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (98,631 posts)

1. She thinks she will ingratiate herself with the Bernie folks by beating up Bloomberg.

IMO all beating up Bloomberg accomplishes is helping Joe Biden. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:07 PM

Bucky (52,169 posts)

15. That makes sense. After all, Bloomberg is mostly helping Bernie

...by undermining Biden's appeal to the center. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:30 AM

Sympthsical (6,063 posts)

53. And I'm here for it

Someone has to stop Bloomberg. Biden is one of my last place preferences, but I will take him over Bloomberg any single day of the week. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:14 PM

Frasier Balzov (1,661 posts)

2. Since she doesn't go after Bernie

I think she'd be willing to become his VP running mate. Bash the billionaire in the meantime. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:36 PM

blm (110,715 posts)

12. She contrasted herself with Bernie quite well tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:14 PM

Renew Deal (80,548 posts)

3. The more likable Bernie

But it's not enough. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:17 PM

Bradshaw3 (6,779 posts)

21. Another shot at Warren

Not surprising; there have been so many. But no sexism here. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:27 PM

Renew Deal (80,548 posts)

22. How is that an insult?

Since when is it an insult to say someone is more likable? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:41 AM

JonLP24 (29,322 posts)

27. She must be more likeable to you

Because Sanders has the highest net favorability ratings of all the candidates running. Personally I like them both. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:20 AM

BlueMTexpat (15,105 posts)

24. "The more likable Bernie!"

There is no comparison. Elizabeth actually accomplishes things. Bernie names post offices. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:29 AM

JonLP24 (29,322 posts)

25. He got the McCain-Sanders VA bill signed which helped me personally as a veteran

He lead a bipartisan effort to end the war in Yemen which was vetoed by Trump. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democratic-senators-pass-bills-rate/ Plus he was the amendment king in Congress. I think Sanders & Warren are the only ones on the stage that would make a good President. Most importantly they would both be ethical as President. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:23 AM

BlueMTexpat (15,105 posts)

35. I agree wholeheartedly

with you about Warren. But we'll have to agree to disagree about Bernie. But we're on the same team. We're Dems! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:27 AM

Renew Deal (80,548 posts)

38. I think she's soft on Bernie to collect the voters that like his politics

But can’t stand him. She’s made almost no attempt to contrast herself with him. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:30 AM

BlueMTexpat (15,105 posts)

39. True so far.

Unfortunately. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:15 PM

MisterFred (525 posts)

4. Three goals

First, get second place on Super Tues. If she can be the primary alternative to Sanders, this sets her up for the same long-shot one on one scenario both Warren and the moderates want (and she's more likely to win it, too, because she can crowd Sanders by winning a portion of people like me who like both of them). In that respect pulling Sanders down isn't as a big as pushing herself up & taking down a moderate competitor. Second, set up for contested convention. To have a chance of winning a contested convention, she needs to be second in delegates and have Sanders slow down. It's easier/more likely to win to push for that second place & hope events take out Sanders on their own. Third, not hurt the other progressive. She said it herself at the beginning of this debate - she agrees in a lot of ways on the issues. She thinks she'd be a more effective champion, but she may legitimately like Sanders more than the other candidates. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:34 PM

lapfog_1 (27,354 posts)

10. I'm a joe biden moderate

actually, until this year, I thought I was left to center left but somehow the party moved away from me... anyway, I would be happy with Warren. I'd still be happy with Amy but I think this is her last hurrah... and, of course, I'd be happy if Joe starts to do well. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:09 PM

MisterFred (525 posts)

16. I'd be happy with anyone but Bloomberg.

Happier with Warren or Sanders, but I don't have any serious issues with any of the candidates but Bloomberg. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:14 PM

lapfog_1 (27,354 posts)

18. well, whoever is the nominee is getting my vote

but I hope its not Sanders... because I want to win and win back the Senate, and I hope it's not Bloomberg because eeww... (that said, if Mike wants to drop a couple of B on the DNC or some super pacts... I'm good with that... not too proud to match the RNC in spending). If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:11 PM

Bucky (52,169 posts)

17. I thought Biden did pretty good tonight

I didn't see all of it. But there was no one true winner like with the Vegas debate. These debates are making everyone sharper. Even Bloomberg (tho it'd be hard for him not to improve over Vegas) If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bucky (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:16 PM

lapfog_1 (27,354 posts)

20. I think he shouldn't have hesitated to get into this

by now he would be much better in the debates (Bloomberg)... that said... he is my least favorite person from our side to actually be president, Bernie is my least favorite to RUN as our nominee. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:34 PM

hedda_foil (16,085 posts)

11. I think you're right.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:16 PM

Still Sensible (2,856 posts)

5. I think she is so focused on Bloomberg that she

hasn't been able to maintain her momentum. She made some good points, of course, but she didn't have to keep trying to gut Bloomberg. She needs to start cutting into Bernie's lead on the progressive side and it doesn't look like she can at this point. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:17 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

6. The NDA issue was the wrong hill to die on. I think she's finished. I thought so anyway....

....going into tonight, but she finished herself off. My take on the others: Sanders came off as bitter and angry. Biden was the statesman, he almost looked like he was enjoying the in-fighting Bloomberg held his own Buttigieg did well, countered Sanders well Klobuchar did well, but didn't get enough time Steyer should pack it in, he's got good ideas but he's politically weak Disclaimer - I turned it off after the first hour was almost over, the moderators were even worse than the NBC moderators last time, and they were horrible. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:33 AM

JonLP24 (29,322 posts)

26. Reading Bloomberg lawsuits is worse than the Trump access Hollywood tape

Warren is right in calling him the weakest candidate. Did you know that Bloomberg said that Romney would have been a better President than Obama? I bet that doesn't bother you. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:20 PM

dchill (34,725 posts)

7. She just really doesn't want billionaires in politics.

Neither do I. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to dchill (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:16 PM

k2qb3 (374 posts)

19. I think it's a lot more substantive than that.

She doesn't like Bloomberg, and likes him even less as a nominee. I agree with her. I'm impressed by the sacrifice too. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to k2qb3 (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:46 AM

JonLP24 (29,322 posts)

28. My trust in Warren went up a lot

She could have took out her knives on Bernie like all the other candidates but she choose to focus on the worst candidate in the race instead. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:21 PM

IronLionZion (41,481 posts)

8. She has talked about her overlap with Bernie on policy

and that Dem voters want liberal policies so she's holding off on attacking him. Liberalism is having it's moment in the spotlight. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:01 AM

boston bean (35,220 posts)

33. If that is true, why isn't she doing better?

You would figure she and Bernie would be running away with it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to boston bean (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:21 AM

IronLionZion (41,481 posts)

34. Bernie has been winning states and delegates

Liberal voters have decided to pick one out of the two lefties. She chose not to attack him because she's in it to see liberal policies win. She made a strategic decision to take down Bloomberg instead. The moderates in the race have split the moderate votes between them. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:25 AM

boston bean (35,220 posts)

37. Is she running for Bernie or herself?

And your points also lead one to the conclusion that she is wrong about his policies. There is a major chunk of the party who doesn’t agree with Bernie on how to get it done. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to boston bean (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:36 AM

IronLionZion (41,481 posts)

41. The moderates are divided. The liberals have united around Bernie

I like Warren since she wants good things for America, not for herself. She chose not to run in 2016 to avoid competing against Hillary and risk being a spoiler. I also have my own ideas on what Dem primary voters have been thinking. It seems like they might want to correct some wrongs from 2016. Traditionally it's been the GOP who nominates their second place finisher the next time around. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:54 AM

boston bean (35,220 posts)

46. Last nights performance led me to believe she was positioning for VP.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to boston bean (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:07 AM

IronLionZion (41,481 posts)

50. She'd be a spectacular VP

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:24 PM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

9. My lady friend, "Give it up Elizabeth, it's not helping."

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:43 PM

Fiendish Thingy (11,584 posts)

13. Warren is in third place currently

She is projected to come in first or second in several Super Tuesday states. She has enough money to last past Super Tuesday, which Amy, Pete and Joe do not. If Warren drops out now, Sanders chances of getting 50+% of the delegates goes up dramatically. So, what was your point again? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 04:47 AM

Gatuno (14 posts)

29. "She is projected to come in first or second"

Please tell me which states are those. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Gatuno (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 01:34 PM

Fiendish Thingy (11,584 posts)

55. MA, UT, CA nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:14 AM

TwilightZone (21,570 posts)

51. "first or second" and "in third place"

I'm not sure what polls you're looking at, but she's not in first or second on average in any ST state other than Massachusetts and Utah. That's not "several". https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/SuperTuesday.html "Warren is in third place currently" She's fourth in delegates. https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/799979293/how-many-delegates-do-the-2020-presidential-democratic-candidates-have "She has enough money to last past Super Tuesday, which Amy, Pete and Joe do not." Source? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #51)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 01:32 PM

Fiendish Thingy (11,584 posts)

54. Several polls show Warren a strong 2nd place in California

She’s raised over $22 million in February- how much have Joe, Pete, and Amy each raised? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 10:43 PM

squirecam (2,706 posts)

14. Biden won tonight

Hopefully that translates to a big SC win. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Tue Feb 25, 2020, 11:29 PM

question everything (44,800 posts)

23. Finaly decided to go after Sanders... sort of. Tiptoeing

Hoping to be in his cabinet in the unlikely event that he wins? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 06:23 AM

Mr. Sparkle (2,623 posts)

30. Im trying to understand it as well, it makes no sence. Bernie is taking her space and delegates

not bloomberg. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 06:28 AM

Skidmore (37,364 posts)

31. If Warren can't

differentiate herself from Sanders, why is she running now? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 06:33 AM

kentuck (108,529 posts)

32. Her job is to take out Mike Bloomberg.

Looking down the road, they do not want him to be able to buy the election. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:24 AM

LexVegas (5,350 posts)

36. She is scared to engage Bernie, and it is too late now. nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:42 AM

yardwork (55,667 posts)

42. I don't think that Elizabeth Warren is scared of anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to yardwork (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:56 AM

LexVegas (5,350 posts)

47. She spent the last two debates going after the wrong guy. Her chances are zero now.

Perhaps she is angling to be work for Bernie as VP or some other cabinet position. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:58 AM

yardwork (55,667 posts)

48. I disagree with your opinion. I think her strategy is sound.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to yardwork (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:06 AM

Jose Garcia (2,204 posts)

49. Her strategy doesn't seem to be working

Everyone thought that she did great in the Nevada debate. But she won zero delegates in NV. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 08:18 AM

denem (11,045 posts)

52. 75% of Nevada voted before the debate.

Warren got 12.9% first round - 1.4% behind Pete, who also got no delegates. Why Biden supporters want to hand the lion share of Warren's ~15% to Sanders is beyond me. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:33 AM

denem (11,045 posts)

40. No candidate will get a majority of delegates.

They will choose Warren at the Convention as the candidate most likely to unite the party. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to denem (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:42 AM

yardwork (55,667 posts)

43. I think that's possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to yardwork (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:47 AM

denem (11,045 posts)

44. It will come down to Biden and Warren.

and I think that decision will largely rest on how well Biden campaigns in the remainder of states. Bloomberg would be unacceptable to Sanders (to say the least), and the majority of delegates is likely to share my view that Sanders would lose the GE (badly). My 2c. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Wed Feb 26, 2020, 07:48 AM

Skya Rhen (2,701 posts)

45. Weaken Bloomberg, strengthen Biden, strengthen herself, get some delegates, join unity ticket with

the most electable/less risky candidate, Biden. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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