My apologies to Bernie Sanders and his supporters

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:00 PM

HerbChestnut (3,649 posts)

1. We're all in this together, evertonfc.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:02 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (107,055 posts)

2. I will work as hard as I can to get Bernie elected if he's the nominee.

I hope he's not, but my favorite candidate is Not Trump and I will enthusiastically work for and vote for whoever that is. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:05 PM

Butterflylady (2,960 posts)

3. I'm not apologizing.

Any of the other candidates had a better chance at beating trump than Sanders. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:54 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

11. Funny,...

all of this talk of the 'Bernie Bros' walking away if their candidate didn't get the nomination and it turns out, it's the 'Biden Boomers' that are ready to take their ball and go home... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:58 PM

MrsCoffee (5,593 posts)

14. I don't see that poster saying she won't vote for Bernie.

Or that she would walk away. Or take her ball and go home. FFS you guys are so sensitive and defensive that you just project time and time again. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:15 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

17. You Guys?

Apparently you didn't see the picture of Warren below my post. I'm not just going by the comments on this site. I was talking to my son about this before the first primary. I told him that there would be a wide spread backlash among Biden supporters if Bernie OR Elizabeth pulled ahead. I saw the video from the panel last night that had Chris Mathews and James Carville melting down over Bernie's win in Nevada. I can't speak to anyone else's intentions but my takeaway from that conversation was that they would rather see a continuation of the Fascist Trump Regime than support a candidate that is essentially attempting to reanimate the aspirations of FDR and the New Deal! I'll ignore the 'FFS you guys are so sensitive and defensive that you just project time and time again.' comment because there's a LOT to unpack there. This time... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:21 PM

brutus smith (685 posts)

21. You're right.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:30 PM

HarlanPepper (2,042 posts)

108. Oh noes!1!1

“This time.” If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:57 PM

ramen (674 posts)

51. I saw more than a few DUers threatening to leave the party if Sanders was our nominee.

Although that poster above didn't specifically make that assertion, this is not a rare thing to see on DU right now. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to ramen (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:02 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

54. Don't say that to Squinch.

Squinch can't see or sense any evidence of that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:34 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

27. Even funnier, intelligence reports have identified "Bernie Bros" as substantively

consisting of foreign (mostly Russian) trolls, meddlers and bots. At least that's what I've gotten from media reports about the intelligence briefing to Sanders campaign. ps -- Correct me if I'm wrong on this. We're so far down Alice's rabbit hole it's impossible to know which is up and which is down. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:44 PM

Squinch (47,360 posts)

38. Please do link to any poster who has said they will not vote for the nominee.

We'll wait. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:15 PM

lambchopp59 (2,576 posts)

62. Thank you for pointing this out

There is a major aspect to this horse race many of the politically involved, informed and vested members of DU miss: Most of the electorate does so on very scant research. Many walk into the booth with "search your feelings, feel the force". Dismissing all the heavy pros-and-cons rhetoric here every day I ask myself does Biden inspire me? Does Kamala, Liz or Bernie? I've been afraid to mention the notion of the "Biden Boomers", that demographic includes both of my brothers, both a full decade my senior. Both attended major universities, started their career lives when that educational attainment was far more affordable. Tail-end boomers, Gen-X and on experienced a very different leveraged, expensive, and often out of reach climb to that goal. For younger generations, double down on that. Lukewarm candidates... don't even stimulate a nerve with us. I observed the Biden supporters go strangely silent as their candidate didn't score as expected. A few days in, the pouting "didn't get my unicorn" but I'll hold my nose and maybe... maybe... support Sanders--- from them has been deafening. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #62)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:55 PM

lapfog_1 (27,589 posts)

105. quit with the "biden boomers" bullshit, ok?

not a way to gain friends and influence people. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #105)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:23 PM

HarlanPepper (2,042 posts)

107. Sounds like a warm loving family.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:35 PM

progressoid (47,966 posts)

69. Any of the other candidates?

Sorry,no. There are some would not beat Trump. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:37 PM

yaesu (7,777 posts)

70. Bernie can get'er done!

<a href="https://ibb.co/NxHGcN6"><img src="" alt="doing-it" border="0"></a> If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:06 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

4. I will vote Bloomberg over Sanders if it comes to that and when Sanders loses the General if he is

the nominee ( I think he loses massively) he owes us an apology for not supporting Hillary in the 2016 general sufficiently and for losing what was a winnable election in 2020. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:23 PM

brutus smith (685 posts)

23. Thanks for the divisive post.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:59 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

87. I do not believe Sanders can win a general...thus I will vote for someone who can...should Sanders

be the nominee...and I maintain it is early days...and we have to consider operation chaos numbers too...Sanders has my vote in a general...but I will do all in my power to field a nominee who can win a general. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:25 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

24. "I will vote Bloomberg over Sanders"

Why are you even a Democrat then? Who is closer to FDR and the policies of the New Deal, Bloomburg or Sanders? The supporters of fascism at the time labeled (and libeled) FDR as a Socialist too. And he was! He was a Democratic Socialist. That's in the history books. Socialism is a scareword they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years. Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people. —Harry S. Truman, speech, Oct. 10 1952 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:38 PM

stonecutter357 (12,495 posts)

31. I'll take Bloomburg over BS anyday !

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Post removed (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:46 PM

Squinch (47,360 posts)

39. And again, link to anyone who has said they won't vote for the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Squinch (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:52 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

47. Read between the lines...

It's being hinted at all over this and other sites today. Chris Mathews, one of the biggest voices for Joe Biden, is speculating that maybe it would be better for Trump to win another four years to get back to a 'Moderate' Democratic field. How does one interpret that? Maybe Chris won't be around in another four years and maybe I won't either. But my kids will and by then it will be too late. This little experiment in Democracy will be over. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:57 PM

Squinch (47,360 posts)

50. Show us one place where it is between the lines.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Squinch (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:01 PM

5X (3,971 posts)

53. take off your blindfold. n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to 5X (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:05 PM

Woodycall (259 posts)

57. Thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to 5X (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:12 PM

Squinch (47,360 posts)

61. So there is no post you can point to that states or infers that the poster won't vote for the nomine

Got it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to 5X (Reply #53)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:42 PM

lapucelle (15,150 posts)

73. "Take off your blindfold"?

Next thing you know, folks will be saying, "Tuck in your shirt!", "Put on a tie!", "Unroll that skirt!", or "Change your socks!" If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:46 PM

5X (3,971 posts)

75. yeah, thats equivalent.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to 5X (Reply #75)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:47 PM

lapucelle (15,150 posts)

77. ...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Post removed (Reply #35)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:46 PM

David__77 (21,457 posts)

41. "Biden Boomers". "Bernie Bros."

Oh, people like their nicknames and such. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:55 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

82. Plus a lot of the "Bernie Bro" take my ball stuff

is coming from Russian trolls/meddlers according to intelligence briefings. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:50 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

44. If Bernie does get the nomination, the Dem Party needs to seriously educate...

the country on "socialism." What you posted is a good start. I mean, seriously BLAST the airwaves making Americans understand how they are benefiting from "socialist" programs. Maybe uber-capitalist Bloomberg's ad team would be available. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:37 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

71. If you're explaining and justifying and defining... you're LOSING.

At that point, it's too fucking late and the election would be lost. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #71)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:58 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

85. So don't even try? What if Warren catches Bernie or

a brokered convention selects her? Even then? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to KPN (Reply #85)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:00 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

89. It's too late. Lost cause and all that...

... I'm sure that some folks on the Titanic were busy bailing water with chamber-pots. Do what you feel like you need to do. I'm just telling you that at this late hour, if you're still explaining and defining... you're losing. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #89)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:08 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

94. The polls head to head don't show Sanders or Warren losing to tRump.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to KPN (Reply #94)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:11 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

96. Russian poll interference. I'd expect nothing less.

Our country will never elect a Socialist. It's as simple as that. There's a REASON why Russia and Trump are eager to take on Socialist Bernie Sanders. Think about it. Warren isn't a Socialist. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #96)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:50 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

102. Oh boy. The ready answer to everything .... Russian interference. Down Alice's rabbit hole we go.

I have thought about it. Every frigging Democrat is labeled socialist every time we run for office against a Republican and have been for most of my life. If Warren's not a socialist, neither is Sanders. They support the same goals. Sanders has actually said similar things as Warren about being a capitalist so long as capitalism is regulated to ensure an even playing field. I expect fear mongering from the Rs, not here at DU. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #71)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:12 PM

SMC22307 (8,040 posts)

113. Like the townhalls explaining Obamacare?

We let Rethuglicans -- Sarah 'Death Panels' Palin in particular -- control the message. SCREW THAT. Democrats needs to take fucking control of the message, whether it be Joe and Hunter Biden or Bernie Sanders. Right-wing media is fucking killing us -- the Democratic Party needs to working on its fucking messaging. This isn't a new concept -- messaging, George Lakoff, etc. were discussed to death on this site during the Dubya years. Get out there and fucking sell our nominee or step aside, is what I'm telling people. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #113)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 07:22 PM

NurseJackie (42,862 posts)

114. The passengers on the Titanic were trying to bail water with their chamber pots... to no avail.

Socialism is a non-starter. If Bernie ends up being our party's nominee... we'll have four more years of Trump. If we're being asked to "sell it" then it's too late. Don't blame me for Bernie's failings. He's the one who self-identifies as a Socialist. He couldn't even BOTHER to make an EFFORT (even a superficial one) to declare himself a Democrat who just happens to be very very very very right to the edge leftist. No, listen to his very own words. He hates the Democratic party and he's a Socialist. He says so himself. Over and over. This is his own doing. Right-wing media is fucking killing us No... Bernie is doing that to himself. Like the townhalls explaining Obamacare? I don't see the connection. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:25 PM

lapucelle (15,150 posts)

64. Is bribri a democrat?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:30 PM

lapucelle (15,150 posts)

66. Which of the F.D.R. Wannabes Actually Understands New Deal Liberalism?

Suddenly, Franklin D. Roosevelt is all the rage. But many Democrats don’t understand what his legacy means. Suddenly [...] Roosevelt is alive again in the 2020 Democratic primary campaign: His ideas for using government to improve lives echo through stump speeches across Iowa and New Hampshire. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to revive Roosevelt. Before we allow anyone to assume his mantle, let’s separate candidates merely seeking inspiration for big ideas from those misappropriating his legacy. Bernie Sanders, the most explicit of the Roosevelt wannabes, is in the latter category. He has repurposed the “Second Bill of Rights” address on his website to report that Roosevelt was constantly attacked as a socialist, so he must have actually been one — just like the independent senator from Vermont. He’s betting that a younger post-Cold War generation won’t conflate his brand of democratic socialism with communism, as many of their elders wrongly do. But Roosevelt was an improvisational pragmatist — a “juggler,” he called himself — not a socialist. While his idea for Social Security contained socialistic elements (as did George W. Bush’s 2008 bank bailout), he understood that in a nation of strivers, the concept is a political loser. When asked his political philosophy, he replied: “I’m a Christian and a Democrat, that’s all.” snip================================================================== Running for re-election in 1936, Roosevelt said of his big-money critics: “They are unanimous in their hate of me and I welcome their hatred.” But when Mr. Sanders quotes that line in his stump speech, he doesn’t mention that Roosevelt soon tacked to the center. He rebuffed calls for national health insurance as impractical, backed a balanced budget, insisted that most welfare be connected to work and supported free trade. As World War II approached, he abandoned the New Deal entirely and invited the corporate titans who loathed him to help him win it. With the end of the war in sight, he renewed his liberal domestic agenda with the landmark G.I. Bill, which inspired today’s Democratic focus on affordable education. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/opinion/fdr-democrats-2020.html If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:05 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

93. Different times. There are parallels generally, but the times are quite different

especially regarding the costs of health care and impacts of those costs. No one opposes a balanced budget per se. A lot of us oppose balancing it by reducing and eliminating programs that directly provide for the welfare of people. Two different things. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:53 PM

KPN (14,704 posts)

80. Excellent question. I fail to see the logic in that

choice which does lead me to your question. Bloomberg would cement into place the normalcy of aristocrats/plutocrats occupying our EH. It’s no better than tRump a second term over the long run. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Woodycall (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:09 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

95. Your questions are easy for me to answer....Sanders will lose a general. Bloomberg being moderate

and with a great deal of money has a chance. The scareword Socialism applied to Sanders will work. I am a Democrat because I believe in the party, the platform and not ever electing Republicans...and I find it ridiculous that you insist all Democrats agree with you...Part of the reason we lose is we need a big tent to win.We always have...Dean was successful with a 50 state strategy and we have not been successful since until we did the same thing on a smaller scale and beat McSalley in Arizona and won the house elections with moderate candidates in 18. As for FDR...I believe he saved this nation as did Obama after he was elected from economic ruin. However, we need modern solutions for our nation and our party...FDR was nearly 100 years ago. We do live in a center left country at best and maybe center right since Trump, and I believe Sanders will lose many states we have carried for years...certainly he will not regain the blue wall states. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:38 PM

madville (7,104 posts)

30. I'm the opposite

I'll vote Bernie here in FL if Biden looks unviable at that point, we have to keep Bloomberg out. I'll take Bernie (who actually marched in the civil rights movement) over Mr. Stop & Frisk any day of the week. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to madville (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:03 PM

Clash City Rocker (2,969 posts)

56. If the best thing you can find that he's done for African Americans happened half a century ago

It’s hard to be impressed. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #56)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:07 PM

madville (7,104 posts)

59. And it's multiple times more than Bloomberg has ever done

that's the sad part If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to madville (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:27 PM

appalachiablue (38,365 posts)

65. +2

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to madville (Reply #59)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:24 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

97. During his tenure as mayor, Bloomberg lowered the death rate of young AA men by 45 %...and it

wasn't a half century ago...I am voting for Bloomberg as our last shot to beat Trump...because I don't think Sanders will lose...I hope Biden pulls ahead as I adore him. But we must stop Trump. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #97)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:18 PM

druidity33 (6,184 posts)

116. that's n interesting stat...

care to give us a link? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to druidity33 (Reply #116)

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:55 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

118. I don't remember where I saw it ...the same story said that incarceration declined 50%. There is so

much to wade through with Bloomberg on google. I just don't have time...I did see it though. The story also said the murder rate dropped 50% (not sure this is the correct number think so...probably stats somewhere). I don't think Bloomberg is a racist despite stop and frisk...and on guns and immigration, he is better than Sanders IMHO. However, that is not what motivates me...if Biden can't take on Sanders who will lose a general than I will vote for Bloomberg in Ohio...he would be our only shot. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to madville (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:56 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

84. Sanders is sure to lose the states we need...Bloomberg is a moderate and is gaining support with AA

women shockingly...He has a chance...what did Sanders ever do after he marched with MLK? Not basing my vote on something he did 50 years ago. If I thought Sanders could win, I would vote for him in the primary but I don't think he will. Thus I prefer Biden but will vote for Bloomberg in Ohio if I must. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #84)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:03 PM

madville (7,104 posts)

92. Sanders doesn't have a history of bragging about violating the civil rights of

millions of young Black and Hispanic men for years, so Sanders does have that going for him over Bloomberg. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to madville (Reply #92)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:28 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

98. I choose a nominee who can beat Trump...whatever mistakes Bloomberg made, he is way better than

Trump and has a shot at winning a general. Sanders does not in my view. Also, it should be noted Bloomberg lowered the death rate of young AA men by 45% and has invested millions of dollars in AA causes. What has Sanders done of late? He certainly has not been for social justice as far as I am concerned...but I throw that aside...if it comes to Sanders and Bloomberg...Bloomberg can win...and I don't believe Sander can...bottom line for me. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:44 PM

David__77 (21,457 posts)

37. Sanders didn't lose the election.

He didn’t even run in November. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to David__77 (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:32 PM

Voltaire2 (10,773 posts)

99. The buck stops over there.

Isn’t that what Truman said? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #99)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:59 PM

David__77 (21,457 posts)

112. Something like that.

... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:48 PM

Rorey (8,039 posts)

43. He didn't jump on board, as he should have in 2016

He quietly and slowly got sort of on board about FOUR WEEKS after Hillary clinched the nomination. I also will vote for Bloomberg over Sanders. If Sanders does win the nomination, of course I'll vote for him, and campaign for him. I'll try to pretend my heart's in it, but I may have to take acting lessons. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:49 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

78. Yes, that is it...not giving up. We are figting for our party and our nation...we must stop Trump

and that means a different nominee than Sanders...we have only had three primaries, and we know the GOP are in operation chaos mode...we have to fight for any candidate including Bloomberg if it comes to that. It is all about winning for me. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:59 PM

ramen (674 posts)

52. Sanders did support Clinton heavily and vocally in the run-up to the 2016 election. nt

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:46 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

76. No he didn't ...and the last week...he abandoned her completely.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:34 PM

Voltaire2 (10,773 posts)

100. Yes he did.

He campaigned all across the country for her. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:38 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

101. I do not agree with this...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:53 PM

Voltaire2 (10,773 posts)

104. I do not agree with that...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:53 PM

ramen (674 posts)

103. He did.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/bernie-sanderss-hard-fight-for-hillary-clinton These are not the words or actions of someone not campaigning for Clinton's and all of our benefit. Once he lost the nomination, he worked with her all over the place. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:38 PM

Tess49 (1,543 posts)

72. He will just run again in the next election after losing the general. I am sick of him! n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:46 PM

Demsrule86 (65,537 posts)

74. I am too...who among us thinks he did enough to elect Hillary in 16...and of course,

he hired Stein supporters in the campaign If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:02 PM

Tess49 (1,543 posts)

91. Exactly my thoughts. n/t

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:06 PM

MisterFred (525 posts)

5. Accepted

<3 ! We're in this together. Zero criticism for backing the candidate you wanted in the primary. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:09 PM

cherryinpa (301 posts)

6. This is a great thread

Eventually, regardless of who wins the nomination, the party will need to come together to take on the final tyrant in the boss level. Yes, much has been said by all against each other and EVERYONE will need to calm down a bit and put the bitterness behind. Some people feel theres only one side to the story but I suspect, as always, there is two. Are they Bernie Bros fantasizing about student loan forgiveness? I think so. But perhaps we can reach a compromise where we help. Was Bernie wrong with the "establishment" nonsense? Absolutely. But put yourself in the shoes of an outsider (e.g. AOC etc). Same goes for Bernie Bro's who will need to tone down the language a little and start to take it easy on the older folks. Eventually, thats how we coalesce and win, regardless of who the candidate is. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:22 PM

Loki Liesmith (4,598 posts)

7. Oh I'll vote for him in the general

And I will work like hell to defeat Medicare For All once he’s elected. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:33 PM

PatSeg (44,923 posts)

8. I don't think you would have to fight that hard

to defeat Medicare For All, it would pretty much be DOA. People would be much more accepting of a good public option and even that might take a lot of work to get it through congress. I remember how hard it was to pass the ACA and it was not that controversial. The next step is an affordable public option, which would have happened during the Obama years, if the votes had been there for it. A handful of moderate Democrats opposed it. It isn't just republicans who will fight universal healthcare, there are some Democrats as well. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:53 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

10. polling has said this is the one issue that will 100% ALIENATE the voters we need

Medicare for All scares the shit out of everyone except the far left. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:38 PM

PatSeg (44,923 posts)

29. People really don't like the government

forcing them to make any major changes in their personal lives. I'm no fan of private insurance, but apparently a lot of people have great insurance that they love. If private companies can compete with a good government run public option, then good for them. If not, private insurance will gradually become extinct, which is probably what will happen. The government won't pay huge CEO salaries and cater to share holders. You know, I remember how bent out of shape everyone became at the prospect of the ACA mandate! It helped republicans take back the house and the senate. Obama's popularity suffered so badly, that Democrats running for reelection didn't even want him to campaign for them. Just imagine what Medicare for All would do to Democrats. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:34 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

68. Well, there's a whole big country out there.

KFF polling finds more Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents would prefer voting for a candidate who wants to build on the ACA in order to expand coverage and reduce costs rather than replace the ACA with a national Medicare-for-all plan (Figure 12). Additionally, KFF polling has found broader public support for more incremental changes to expand the public health insurance program in this country including proposals that expand the role of public programs like Medicare and Medicaid (Figure 13). https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:07 PM

Rural_Progressive (990 posts)

60. Just out of curiosity

Why does something that removes a parasitic industry that contributes nothing to healthcare and exists purely to make a profit for its executives and shareholders "scare the shit out of everyone except the far left"? This is an industry that ACTUALLY has "death panels" built into its business model as demonstrated by this first hand account. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/2/22/1921133/-Aetna-to-84-year-Old-Go-Home-and-Die This is what scares the shit out of me, not a program that provides single payer healthcare. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:32 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

67. You seem to think that Single Payer is the only way to Universal Health Care.

Sad that there's a lot of misinformation out there, and it's going to kill any more realistic way to UHC, and ironically, keep people from getting health care longer. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:51 PM

Rural_Progressive (990 posts)

79. No actually I think the idea of a public option is the way to go

No need to force people from feeding the vultures just give them an affordable option that they can chose or not chose to use. That said I think it would be great if you went back and reread my post. What I actually asked was why people were more terrified of medicare for all than the current system that guarantees results like the one I linked to, that was my actually question and you in no way responded to my inquiry. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:35 PM

DarthDem (5,144 posts)

28. There's no prayer of MFA ever being enacted.

At least not in the next several years. So you don't need to worry. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:06 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

58. Yeah, that's why Democrats just didn't support the ACA...

From reading your posts, one has to assume unless you support Bernie, you oppose Universal Health Care, are a socialist fear monger, and a smearer and slanderer of progress. But props for attacking a straw man and a false equivalence - a logical fallacy Twofer!! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:52 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

9. this Establishment Democrat sees we are heading for disaster.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:55 PM

Johnny2X2X (15,835 posts)

12. This is normal primary disagreements

The party will unite behind whoever the candidate is. Bet on it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:50 PM

Rorey (8,039 posts)

45. I bet on it in 2016

Lost that bet. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 01:56 PM

Moderateguy (945 posts)

13. All a nominee Sanders can expect from me is a vote in the general

I will do whatever I have to, including denouncing Sanders to anyone who'll listen, in order to get my local democrats elected. That will be my TOP priority. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:14 PM

PatrickforO (13,955 posts)

16. Depending on where you live, denouncing Bernie might not work so well.

My state went for Bernie in '16, and probably will again this time around. Though in the primary, we voted for Warren. Healthcare is a big deal, transcends everything else for most Americans. This is a healthcare election, and people may get tired (I do) of having people tell us why we can't expand Medicare for all. Because the ONLY reason is the opposition from big pharma, health insurance companies and HMOs. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:19 PM

Moderateguy (945 posts)

19. I live in TEXAS

We have a chance at the state house and need to keep Collin Allred* in the house among other races. * Allred defeated 11-term republican incumbent Pete Sessions in 2018. Do you think Sanders is going to appeal to the voters who put Allred over the top If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:40 PM

PatrickforO (13,955 posts)

32. Interesting. Not sure what the Republicans have done in your state to suppress votes,

or how strong those suppression steps will prove in keeping young people and minorities from voting. But if the kids and the minorities are galvanized by a populist whose platform would materially improve their quality of life across the board, all bets are off. Looks like Bernie's 'political revolution' (by which he means get engaged and go vote) may be becoming a reality. Did in NV. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:41 PM

Moderateguy (945 posts)

34. Democratic voters are not a majority here...

We need some Republican voters to cross over to win. Sanders cannot inspire people that do not exist. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:54 PM

HubertHeaver (2,490 posts)

81. You need to get out more.

Just get the democrats to vote and you won't need republican cross-over. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:55 PM

Moderateguy (945 posts)

83. Not in every state--some state the republican voters are a majority

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:59 PM

HubertHeaver (2,490 posts)

86. I thought we were talking about Texas

In Texas it is the case we need to motivate the democrats to get out and vote. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:00 PM

Moderateguy (945 posts)

88. Even in Texas

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Feb 24, 2020, 12:49 AM

HubertHeaver (2,490 posts)

117. Yes, even in Texas

Texas is not majority red, it is majority non-voting. Give them a reason to vote and Texas goes blue. Which part of Texas are you in? I'm in Houston area but previously lived in the Austin area. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:11 PM

PatrickforO (13,955 posts)

15. Nicely said! We're all in the same boat, and that boat is blue.

Long as everyone DOES vote, we should be fine! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:17 PM

moonseller66 (430 posts)

18. "Rumors" of paid supporters at drumpf rallies...

I wonder if pictures or videos of (any of) the crowd at the P-reident's rallies would show any of the same faces at any Democratic Rally? Could be a real bit of evidence to show someone is paying "supporters" to influence candidates! Facial recognition would be fantastic. Just sayin' If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:25 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

63. Someone was just waiting to deploy "You're sleazy" on someone weren't they?

Fish just aren't biting, Kid. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:03 PM

ramen (674 posts)

55. Let me know when you find some evidence of that. Otherwise it seems like baseless speculation to me

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:20 PM

aikoaiko (33,323 posts)

20. A righteous OP. Thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:22 PM

doxyluv13 (247 posts)

22. Thanks for this.

I too had some questions about Bernie and wasn't sure he would be the best carrier of his message this year. And I really like Elizabeth. In fact it's just now I'm giving up on her. Some of the reasons I came back to Bernie are: the organization he put together, the great strides he made in appealing to Black and Latino voters, and his outreach to Fox viewers and Joe Rogan's crowd. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:32 PM

Texin (2,477 posts)

25. If you think about it, why is this any different to Dems than tRump was to rethugs in '16?

Really. I heard not just a few lifelong rethugs tell people that they "couldn't" vote for tRump. (Some of these folks live in Highland Park in Dallas). But guess what. They did. They for damn sure DID go out and vote for tRump. Maybe not all of them, but enough of the rethugs turned out and voted for him to make that happen. (Yes, I know he "won" electorally not the popular vote - but that popular vote was in the most heavily populated places on the east and west coasts, most of whom lean Democratic). tRump "won" electorally because enough former independents and some rethugs who actually voted for Obama twice decided tRump was their guy. They were part of a *movement* vote - an anti-institutional vote. I don't see a whole lot of difference now - except for the fact that Bernie is probably (maybe) better than tRump on many levels. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:33 PM

janterry (4,429 posts)

26. It's so hard to tell

everyone is predicting who will do better - but in the end we just don't know. FWIW, he'll win my state (lol - I'm in Vermont) If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:40 PM

David__77 (21,457 posts)

33. That's a kind post.

I totally get wanting to win and being concerned about outcomes. I can understand how Sanders might seem high risk. Now while I’m voting for the person I want to be president I also think that at times absolute risk aversion is not the best option- risk is never eliminated, and conventional wisdom can be misaligned. Regardless of all that, I believe there will be great Democratic/progressive/anti-Trump unity regardless of the outcome of this primary. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:44 PM

JackInGreen (2,975 posts)

36. ThxM80

Let's get this shit See-rulian. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:54 PM

warmfeet (3,321 posts)

48. Well said.

I hope all Democrats can rally around the successful nominee, regardless of who that may be, to defeat the current abomination. Eyes on the prize; get rid of the orange asshole. We can do nothing to heal the damage until we accomplish that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 02:55 PM

Liberty Belle (9,354 posts)

49. Sanders got over half the Hispanic vote in Nevada, which is impressive.

He did well among African-American voters there and of course, very well among young voters and those concerned about healthcare. He may well be the one who despite being tarred with the democratic "socialist" label has the army of enthusiastic supporters needed to be sure people get out and vote. I myself have a preference for Warren on some issues, but we can't deny Sanders has the monentum. Let's examine the fears some have about Sanders and how those arguments might be over come in a general election: 1. Sanders went to Russia in his youth and has praised Cuba. Trump openly invited Russia to do his bidding, has done Putin's bidding, and withheld weapons for Ukraine to fight Russian forces , all for personal gain. If you are worried about Russia, Trump is the one closely allied with them currently and undermining US security to help Russia. Cuba is no longer any serious threat to the U.S. and while there are aspects of the Cuban government that deserve criticism, their healthcare system by objective standards has some merit. 2. Sanders is a socialist. Sanders has NOT called for a government takeover of the means of production - factories and corporations (with the possible exception of predatory energy companies like PG&E that caused wildfires that killed many people due to their dangerous equipment that they failed to maintain). He is not a communist nor a socialist. Democratic socialism is more like old-school Democratic party values espoused by FDR -- social PROGRAMS for the betterment of all. 3. Medicare for all will take away private health insurance. Sanders can't pass Medicare for all without a majority in both houses of Congress. One is controlled by Republicans and even many Democrats oppose ending private healthcare. It will not happen in the next four years. But with a president who will speak out on the evils of greedy pharmaceutical and soaring insurance premiums, we will likely see at least some significant reforms, whether creating a compromise such as a public OPTION for those (like me) with unaffordable healthcare, or expanding subsidies under Obamcare, whatever he can get through Congress. If the GOP stonewalls completely, expect to see Sanders campaigning to defeat some of them in 2 years. 4. Sanders is too old. Yes he's old, but so are Bloomberg and Biden, and even Warren. Trump is old, too. Assuming Sanders picks a younger VP candidate who may even draw a broader base and who is competent to takeover if needed, this is not a deal-breaker issue. 5. Sanders isn't a Democrat. He's caucused with them and votes more like a Dem than many so-called Dems. His criticism of the establishment Dems (not the entire party) resonates with one-third of the electorate - and Sanders CAN reach working people. His latest ad says Trump betrayed working people, a message that can win even some Trump or moderate votes. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 06:11 PM

scipan (1,655 posts)

111. Thanks. Facts are what we need.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 08:57 PM

mvd (64,742 posts)

115. Wow! I wish I could recommend this post

I can add a little to your great list: 1) He would cause a rift in the party Anyone who would vote for Trump or write in someone over Bernie is just hurting themselves with 4 more years of Trump. And although he may have stayed in too long in 2016, he has committed to unity behind our nominee. 2) Socialism will be used against him Socialism isn’t quite the boogeyman it used to be, and Sanders remains popular even in polls where socialism polls lower. Plus, the Repukes would call any Democratic nominee a socialist. Can always bring up Trump Russian ties. 3) Intel shows Russians want Bernie I refer people to this article: https://www.wired.com/story/bernie-sanders-russia-chaos-2020-election/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 04:01 PM

Snackshack (2,086 posts)

90. Ditto

I could not agree more. Whomever is the Dem candidate will be light years better. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:08 PM

JudyM (26,203 posts)

106. Divisiveness posts play right into the rethugs - and Putin's - hands.

Trump was elected in a movement, as you point out. My own belief, for better or worse, is that Sanders can quite reasonably extract a substantial share of those populist-message-affiliating voters (not the racist/sexists, but the economic anxiety voters) as well as having a movement of energized social safety net/climate-minded folks... he’s beating trump in today’s WI, MI and PA polls, taken before yesterday’s results were in. Thanks for your unity message, I hope it spreads around here. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:36 PM

rockfordfile (8,584 posts)

110. I agree

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:32 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

109. Great post

He's not my favorite candidate, but apparently my views do not reflect where the party is leaning across the country. I do have great respect for younger voters and their reading of politics. I will certainly follow he lead of Bernie's voters even though I have not been with him from the start. Apparently they know something I don't and it's important. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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