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Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:50 AM

 

Members Of Nevada's Largest Union Defied Their Leadership To Support Bernie Sanders

Some of the rank-and-file members of the Culinary Workers Union backed Sanders in the caucus, despite the union leaders’ opposition to Medicare for All.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nidhiprakash/bernie-sanders-nevada-caucus-culinary-union?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeedpol&ref=bffbbuzzfeedpol&fbclid=IwAR0T-SUf6LJ2Fb4yUI7kSf96S4nXy84SoWVwb2PvZINSvScUj4FHbpxUKLc

LAS VEGAS — Despite the leadership of Nevada’s largest union criticizing Bernie Sanders over his health care plan in the lead-up to the state's presidential caucus, the majority of union members caucusing at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas strip backed Sanders on Saturday.

Some workers who spoke to BuzzFeed News said they support Sanders’ Medicare for All proposal, even though they appreciate the union health care they have, because they have friends and relatives who don’t have union health care and worry about what would happen if they lost their jobs.

Health care is “the number one issue,” said Monica Smith, a Culinary Workers member since 1987 and an in-room dining server at the Bellagio, who caucused for Sanders.

“We have so many people that have walked that picket line, blood sweat and tears, for us. We’re going to be here to protect it, but I worry about other people that aren’t protected by unions. How do they get healthcare. What's the dollar amount that they have to go through, do they have to worry about not being able to go to a hospital?”

The results of the caucus, which was the only caucus site open to press on Saturday on Las Vegas’ hotel- and casino-lined strip specifically for workers, saw Sanders walk away with 76 supporters, followed by Joe Biden with 45 supporters, out of a total 123 caucusgoers.



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Reply Members Of Nevada's Largest Union Defied Their Leadership To Support Bernie Sanders (Original post)
Autumn Feb 2020 OP
Magoo48 Feb 2020 #1
Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #2
Autumn Feb 2020 #3
ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #5
iluvtennis Feb 2020 #37
Autumn Feb 2020 #39
George II Feb 2020 #4
Autumn Feb 2020 #6
George II Feb 2020 #10
Autumn Feb 2020 #14
cstanleytech Feb 2020 #29
Butterflylady Feb 2020 #30
Autumn Feb 2020 #32
bahrbearian Feb 2020 #8
George II Feb 2020 #12
Autumn Feb 2020 #17
George II Feb 2020 #20
Autumn Feb 2020 #23
George II Feb 2020 #25
Autumn Feb 2020 #26
bahrbearian Feb 2020 #18
George II Feb 2020 #24
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #40
Autumn Feb 2020 #44
Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #21
Autumn Feb 2020 #31
cstanleytech Feb 2020 #33
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #7
Autumn Feb 2020 #9
George II Feb 2020 #13
Autumn Feb 2020 #15
George II Feb 2020 #27
OneCrazyDiamond Feb 2020 #42
Magoo48 Feb 2020 #43
McKim Feb 2020 #11
brutus smith Feb 2020 #28
LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #16
Autumn Feb 2020 #19
Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #22
yaesu Feb 2020 #34
mountain grammy Feb 2020 #35
zentrum Feb 2020 #36
PatrickforO Feb 2020 #38
Name removed Feb 2020 #41

Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:52 AM

1. Good News.

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:54 AM

2. Solidarity

 

Is good to see
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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 09:57 AM

3. I loved that part. This is America. We should care about each other.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:16 AM

5. I watched the Bellagio event on a live stream

 

It was great!
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Response to Autumn (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

37. + agree. It's unfortunate that a lot of trumpians only care about themselves. nt

 

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #37)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

39. It's not just trumpians that care about only themselves, and you are right on that. It's very

 

unfortunate when people say I have my insurance and I won't give it up for something that benefits everyone else.
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:08 AM

4. Except that they didn't. The Culinary Union is 60,000 strong. 76 voted for Sanders. Next?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:17 AM

6. The story is there were Latinos with the union health insurance who are still

 

good, compassionate enough Americans to worry about those who don't have fucking insurance. 76 at one caucus. Can you prove your claim of thats all that voted for him?

It doesn't matter how many there were at one caucus George. What matters is what they did.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:29 AM

10. I'm just going on the facts in the article YOU provided. Now you're saying something beyond...

 

...that article. It's incumbent upon YOU to "prove your claim". From your article I've proved mine.

Next?

(BTW, I erred, there are only 60,000 members, I've corrected that)
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Response to George II (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:34 AM

14. George. No one made the claim the whole union voted for him. I don't have to prove shit.

 

I posted an article, you posted your opinion. And you have proved nothing.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

29. Ahemmm, let's not resort to petty bickering please and before you

 

ask I am directing that request to you both and no I do not care who started it
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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

30. That's not what the title of your post implies.

 

I took it that the whole union minus the leadership voted for bs.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

32. You should have read one more sentence of the headline.

 

Some of the rank-and-file members of the Culinary Workers Union backed Sanders in the caucus, despite the union leaders’ opposition to Medicare for All.



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Response to George II (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:26 AM

8. Then you would think that the 79,974 workers that you think followed the unions advice

 

would have voted for one or more of the other candidates. Where did their votes go?
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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:31 AM

12. As a matter of fact, the union didn't give any advice. That's why they didn't endorse anyone...

 

According to the OP's article, only 76 voted for Sanders.

(and I've corrected myself above, it's 60,000 strong, sorry)
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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:42 AM

17. Let me correct you on your " only 76 voted for Sanders" George. You like to require facts

 

from other people. Here's one little fact. My article in the OP was about 76 people in ONE caucus.


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Response to Autumn (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:48 AM

20. Well then, I'm sure since you have a sweeping subject line you can do what you asked me...

 

...to do, "Can you prove your claim"?

Next?
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:55 AM

23. Sure George. That's the easiest thing I will do today. Here's what I claimed

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287565696#post17

Here's my OP.

LAS VEGAS — Despite the leadership of Nevada’s largest union criticizing Bernie Sanders over his health care plan in the lead-up to the state's presidential caucus, the majority of union members caucusing at the Bellagio Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas strip backed Sanders on Saturday.

Some workers who spoke to BuzzFeed News said they support Sanders’ Medicare for All proposal, even though they appreciate the union health care they have, because they have friends and relatives who don’t have union health care and worry about what would happen if they lost their jobs.

Health care is “the number one issue,” said Monica Smith, a Culinary Workers member since 1987 and an in-room dining server at the Bellagio, who caucused for Sanders.

“We have so many people that have walked that picket line, blood sweat and tears, for us. We’re going to be here to protect it, but I worry about other people that aren’t protected by unions. How do they get healthcare. What's the dollar amount that they have to go through, do they have to worry about not being able to go to a hospital?”

The results of the caucus, which was the only caucus site open to press on Saturday on Las Vegas’ hotel- and casino-lined strip specifically for workers, saw Sanders walk away with 76 supporters, followed by Joe Biden with 45 supporters, out of a total 123 caucusgoers.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287565696

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Response to Autumn (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

25. Well, Autumn, you've only been able to provide "proof" (your word) that only 76 voted for Sanders.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:12 AM

26. One more just for you George. That was exactly my claim, 76 voted for Sanders, in ONE caucus.

 

It's in the article I posted. You really are missing the mark today. Calm down and breathe.
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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:43 AM

18. So where did the 59,974 vote go to?

 

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:57 AM

24. I don't know but as of this morning with 60% of the vote in, only 3523 voted for Sanders STATE WIDE:

 

https://www.huffpost.com/elections

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

40. LOL. Um, no. That's 3523 county convention delegates.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:39 PM

44. Boom!

 

There it is
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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:50 AM

21. Yeah they did. They texted members yesterday morning to encourage them not to vote for Bernie

 

"Culinary Union leadership urged members to vote for anyone other than Sanders because of his “Medicare for all” plan, including in texts this morning."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/22/us/elections/results-nevada-caucus-live-updates.html
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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

31. Thanks for posting that.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

33. The article clearly states though that this was in regards to the

 

members of the Union in two hotels specifically and not all the union members across the state.
Edit: Before you ask no I'm not pro nor am I anti Bernie.
What I am is a anti-Trump person so I'm going to vote for whichever person wins the Democratic nomination end of story.
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:20 AM

7. Oh imagine that. They have friends and relatives who don't have healthcare.

 

I have fantastic healthcare. But I know plenty of people who don’t.

I knew I wasn’t the only one.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:26 AM

9. I have great healthcare too. My Grandson doesn't. This is what they don't fucking get. Not all of

 

us are willing to say, "Fuck you, I got mine. You don't? Tough Shit".
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:32 AM

13. I don't know anyone who doesn't have healthcare. And I don't know anyone who doesn't have....

 

....healthcare INSURANCE, either. But I live in a state where the ACA is alive and working well.
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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:36 AM

15. Well isn't that special George. We don't all get to live in your state. nt

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

27. People should be working to elect governors in states who will support the ACA, not....

 

....campaign for someone who has zero change of getting some undefined program passed.

We have universal healthcare insurance in the US, if people would support and defend it.
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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:27 PM

42. There is bill for MCfA

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text?format=txt

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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

43. Omg, where do you live? That is truly difficult to believe.

 

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:31 AM

11. Yes, Many People have Not bought Into

 

Yes, many people have never bought into the right wing idea of “Screw you, Jack, I’ve got mine!”
I am thankful for every other person who cares about their fellow human beings.
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Response to McKim (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

28. +1000

 


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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:41 AM

16. Defined their leadership how?

 

The union did not endorse, anyone?
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:47 AM

19. No one said the union endorsed anyone. The union leaders' opposed Medicare for All.

 

People who have good health insurance through their union voted for people they worry about who don't have health insurance to have MFA.

Please don't hit yourself too hard.
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:52 AM

22. They texted members yesterday morning to tell people to vote anyone but Bernie

 

See my post 21 above for quote and link
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

34. Good On Them!

 

<a href="https://ibb.co/NxHGcN6"><img src="" alt="doing-it" border="0"></a>
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

35. Good!

 

That employer always has the upper hand in deciding health insurance, union or no union. The only correct answer is universal single payer. Medicare for all.
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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

36. Because they care about their grandchildren...

 

.....about their own mother and father, about the little girl next door who their own kids play with.

They defied their Union because they need to be able to move, to switch jobs and still have health care.

Only Medicare for all gives them freedom and real security.

If they believe in collective bargaining at all---surely they understand how all the American people together need to have power against "Management"--or in this case, The Insurance Companies.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:15 PM

38. See, this is the fallacy in making the 'you'll lose your employer-supplied

 

healthcare under a M4A system' argument.

Most people aren't thrilled with the health coverage they have through employers, and most know others who do not have healthcare or pay out the nose on the open market. My ex-wife, for example, for HERSELF ONLY, pays $800 a month with a $5,000 'coinsurance,' plus the regular copays for visits and drugs.

M4A would make her life materially better because when she's sick and worried about getting well, she wouldn't also have to worry about paying, paying, paying. She'd already have paid through her taxes. THAT is how to do it.
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