Biden: AUMF Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 & Bloomberg: RNC 2004 Re-elect W...

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Senate Vote #237 in 2002 (107th Congress)
on H.J.Res. 114 (107th)
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002

Yea - Biden, Joseph (D-DE)

(https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s237)

Most people here likely remember the run-up to the IRAQ WAR. The reason why Joe Biden gets a pass for his vote which gave W the power to invade Iraq is not understandable. Who here believed that W did not want to start a war? Why should Joe Biden even be considered for the Presidency given his assent to that war?


By the same token, Mike Bloomberg supported W's re-election at the 2004 RNC. From C-SPAN, Koch introduced Bloomberg, and Bloomberg speaks for about 12 minutes - most of it is in praise of NYC.

Bloomberg: "I want to thank President Bush for supporting New York City in changing the Homeland Security funding formula and for leading the Global War on Terrorism. The President deserves our support. We are here to support him. And I am here to support him."

(https://www.c-span.org/video/?182728-2/republican-national-convention-day-1-morning&start=3915)



Why should anyone who enabled W and Cheney (and their bloody invasion) be given a position as the nominee of the Democratic Party?

[DanieRains]

1. Pandering

He should have been protesting at bush's ranch with me.

[tirebiter]

3. Yeah, Why should ANYONE who enabled blah, blah, blah

Blood Traces: Bernie’s Iraq War Hypocrisy
Bernie Sanders has been tagging Hillary Clinton for her 2002 vote in support of George W. Bush’s war against Saddam Hussein. Here Sanders is closely following Obama’s 2008 playbook, where Obama used the Iraq war vote to repeatedly knock Clinton off balance.

But Sanders’s shots at Clinton haven’t inflicted much damage this time around, largely because there’s so little breathing space between the two candidates on foreign policy. Both Clinton and Sanders are seasoned interventionists, often advancing their hawkish policies under the ragged banner of “humanitarianism.”

Sanders supported and voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

More problematic for the Senator...is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” These measures gave congressional backing for the CIA’s covert plan to overthrow the Hussein regime in Baghdad, as well as the tightening of an economic sanctions regime that may have killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi children. The resolution also gave the green light to Operation Desert Fox, a four-day long bombing campaign striking 100 targets throughout Iraq. The operation featured more than 300 bombing sorties and 350 ground-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, several targeting Saddam Hussein himself.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/
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I can still remember thinking how stupid it was to give a Texan the right to make war for, like, forever.

[thesquanderer]

5. Those earlier votes/declarations did NOT authorize the war/invasion. If they did,

there would have been no reason for the 2002 vote to exist.

[tirebiter]

6. AUMF authorized war wherever Al Quida was or is

Or any adjunct thereof and however long it would take, as in forever. Everybody but Barbara Lee has to answer for that one. The IWR was more specific. Way more specific

[thesquanderer]

8. If Bush had thought that AUMF was sufficient to let him go into Iraq...

...he would have had no need to pursue the IWR.

[tirebiter]

9. Fool me once...

[tirebiter]

10. Which was the lesser evil, IWR was specific

And Bernie had helped in 1998 with his vote for regime change in Iraq. Create an enemy.

[IluvPitties]

4. Vice President Biden over Bernie the Independent

All day, every day.

[Green Line]

7. +1000