Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:48 PM

evertonfc (1,713 posts)

The party isn't a place for moderates anymore

it's lurching toward the very far left. Same thing happened with GOP as it went far right. The party of Clinton and Obama is a shell of itself as we have let a Democratic Socialist take over. We will pay a heavy price in November. I'll be ok. Some won't. After 25 years of working campaigns for DNC I'll be in Costa Rica full time in about 4-5 years. My conversations with actual operatives in the trenches and former campaign manager friends of mine are the same. Sanders can't win nationally. Moderates do and did in 18 and 19. Sanders endorsed candidates were defeated. Sanders only plays well in small areas of country. My guess on a good election night is Trump wins the EC easily, we lose 10-14 House seats and our Senate candidates all refuse to be seen with Sanders. Nightmare sceniro for moderates. You might even see a 3rd party candidate emerge. In fact, bet on it

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The party isn't a place for moderates anymore (Original post)	evertonfc	Feb 2020	OP
Very good way to lose the independent voters	liberal N proud	Feb 2020	#1
The vast majority of "independents" are completely wedded to a particular party.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#8
+1	fleabiscuit	Feb 2020	#46
Good way to lose our Democracy. If Trump wins again USA will certainly become full fascist.	Kablooie	Feb 2020	#47
Bernie is beating Trump +18 with independents.	OliverQ	Feb 2020	#52
Thank you! Some light in a dim smokey club...	DemocracyMouse	Feb 2020	#91
Except for the fact that amongst moderates Bernie is coming in 2nd and when polled	Nanjeanne	Feb 2020	#2
Bingo!	Scotch-Irish	Feb 2020	#21
Which moderates? Self-identified moderates are all over the ideological map.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#3
I agree with your discussion title	Prue	Feb 2020	#4
And take the country back from extremists	relayerbob	Feb 2020	#7
"Democrat" moderates?	George II	Feb 2020	#11
I am shocked by THAT post.	bluewater	Feb 2020	#20
Why?	Prue	Feb 2020	#25
"Maybe the democrat and republican moderates can form their own party."	bluewater	Feb 2020	#27
It is a bit funny but.....	Prue	Feb 2020	#31
D-	bluewater	Feb 2020	#34
We've got a live one here !	denem	Feb 2020	#36
+1	bronxiteforever	Feb 2020	#78
I was just thinking the same thing	blue cat	Feb 2020	#66
No thank you.	HeartlandProgressive	Feb 2020	#76
That's not true	rockfordfile	Feb 2020	#18
Yikes!	Prue	Feb 2020	#23
+1 It was both.	Laelth	Feb 2020	#29
People are insinuating you're using 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' as a slight to Dems	mr_lebowski	Feb 2020	#55
In was a innocent grammatical error	Prue	Feb 2020	#64
"Democrat": The Tell is the name	charliea	Feb 2020	#75
Really?	charliea	Feb 2020	#69
Yes, the ones that have left the repub party	Prue	Feb 2020	#74
What RU gonna do in CR? NT	cherryinpa	Feb 2020	#5
Holy cow. Calm down.	Gravitycollapse	Feb 2020	#6
I feel like the party is leaving me	redstateblues	Feb 2020	#9
The problem is too many moderates are running, and they are taking votes away from each other	still_one	Feb 2020	#10
Has the GOP lost their moderates from lurching far right?	IronLionZion	Feb 2020	#12
+1000	bluewater	Feb 2020	#14
It's a big tent.	David__77	Feb 2020	#13
except for establishment democrats who are not welcome nt	msongs	Feb 2020	#16
LMAO!! Let's be real... Bernie, despite bein the most popular politician in the country...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#61
To Sunshine Patriot Centrists, anything to the left is very far left extremists. n/t	MarcA	Feb 2020	#19
I agree the Democratic Party SHOULD be a big tent party, but seein how Bernie's been treated...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#53
entitlement angst is what you're seeing	Locrian	Feb 2020	#83
It's We The People who decide the direction of the Party... thats why we're DEMOCRATS...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#15
"We're voting for Bernie to lead the Democratic Party"	musette_sf	Feb 2020	#26
When Bernie signed the paperwork to run & govern as a Democrat when he becomes the next POTUS.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#32
I am a Democrat	musette_sf	Feb 2020	#38
I consider Bernie to be a "Super Democrat" of sorts cuz he votes with the Democratic majority	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2020	#43
"in all the ways that matter"	musette_sf	Feb 2020	#49
I recall that the Labour Party activists decided what the Party was...	brooklynite	Feb 2020	#33
Is it me or is this OP anti-Democratic Party?	bluewater	Feb 2020	#17
It would be if a Sanders supporter said something similar.	Garrett78	Feb 2020	#24
Yep, those moderates got us where we are today and it's not a good place.	brutus smith	Feb 2020	#40
with Bernie's...	myohmy2	Feb 2020	#22
No one is gonna confuse Bernie with President Obama but nice try.	underthematrix	Feb 2020	#37
Don't forget	HarlanPepper	Feb 2020	#60
I didn't know about that. But I do like his white hair locks.	underthematrix	Feb 2020	#79
How could you miss it?	HarlanPepper	Feb 2020	#82
Oh, man. Where's my violin?	Laelth	Feb 2020	#28
I just don't understand how saying we need to find a way to ensure health insurance and	SweetieD	Feb 2020	#30
Exactly!	oregonjen	Feb 2020	#73
Thanks for sharing	ChubbyStar	Feb 2020	#35
Sanders Can Win	colsohlibgal	Feb 2020	#39
Buck up! We are The liberal party in America	delisen	Feb 2020	#41
A lot of things moderates like are courtesy of socialists of the 19th and 20th centuries.	brewens	Feb 2020	#42
man oh man....where the hell am I???	NRaleighLiberal	Feb 2020	#44
I cant agree at all	mgcgulfcoast	Feb 2020	#45
Have a great time in Costa Rica. I heard it's beautiful down there.	YOHABLO	Feb 2020	#48
Myself if Sanders wins the nomination I will	doc03	Feb 2020	#50
The Democratic Party is not moving left...the Overton Window is	pecosbob	Feb 2020	#51
Nixon's Silent Majority is hollowed out	bucolic_frolic	Feb 2020	#54
Oh, get over it	Downtown Hound	Feb 2020	#56
Moderates are good at winning House districts.	OliverQ	Feb 2020	#57
It's deja vu all over again; thank you Yogi Berra.	fleabiscuit	Feb 2020	#58
there is never such a thing as too far to the left when you have been living in the extreme right	yaesu	Feb 2020	#59
Oh good golly, this thing has just got started	jberryhill	Feb 2020	#62
True	gordianot	Feb 2020	#63
its more glacial than lurching. obama was ideologically not a moderate	Kurt V.	Feb 2020	#65
Moderates better get behind the nominee if they want to win	JCMach1	Feb 2020	#67
I agree	Progressive dog	Feb 2020	#68
Would those small areas of the country where he plays well in include Iowa, New Hampshire & Nevada?	LonePirate	Feb 2020	#70
Sure there is room for moderates. Its a big tent.	aikoaiko	Feb 2020	#71
I'm not so sure	Gobbierella	Feb 2020	#72
I have seen this before	rmoody1958	Feb 2020	#77
The primary has just begun	Tweedy	Feb 2020	#80
Bernie Sanders is too far left. Elizabeth Warren is too far left. Am I reading this correctly?	warmfeet	Feb 2020	#81
Anyone who is past a certain age has seen this once before.	Blue_true	Feb 2020	#84
What, really?	Saviolo	Feb 2020	#87
Ugh.	paleotn	Feb 2020	#85
Hang Tight, it is still early	Under The Radar	Feb 2020	#86
....	LovingA2andMI	Feb 2020	#88
Oh baloney	Bradshaw3	Feb 2020	#89
Horse Hockey	Lord Ludd	Feb 2020	#90
"Lurching far left"	dflprincess	Feb 2020	#92
All I know is that in November	Mr.Bill	Feb 2020	#93
Your defintion of far left is where the Democrats were in the 1970s.	Gore1FL	Feb 2020	#94

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:50 PM

liberal N proud (59,612 posts)

1. Very good way to lose the independent voters

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

The party isn't a place for moderates anymore

1. Very good way to lose the independent voters

8. The vast majority of "independents" are completely wedded to a particular party.

46. +1

47. Good way to lose our Democracy. If Trump wins again USA will certainly become full fascist.

52. Bernie is beating Trump +18 with independents.

91. Thank you! Some light in a dim smokey club...

2. Except for the fact that amongst moderates Bernie is coming in 2nd and when polled

21. Bingo!

3. Which moderates? Self-identified moderates are all over the ideological map.

4. I agree with your discussion title

7. And take the country back from extremists

11. "Democrat" moderates?

20. I am shocked by THAT post.

25. Why?

27. "Maybe the democrat and republican moderates can form their own party."

31. It is a bit funny but.....

34. D-

36. We've got a live one here !

78. +1

66. I was just thinking the same thing

76. No thank you.

18. That's not true

23. Yikes!

29. +1 It was both.

55. People are insinuating you're using 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic' as a slight to Dems

64. In was a innocent grammatical error

75. "Democrat": The Tell is the name

69. Really?

74. Yes, the ones that have left the repub party

5. What RU gonna do in CR? NT

6. Holy cow. Calm down.

9. I feel like the party is leaving me

10. The problem is too many moderates are running, and they are taking votes away from each other

12. Has the GOP lost their moderates from lurching far right?

14. +1000

13. It's a big tent.

16. except for establishment democrats who are not welcome nt

61. LMAO!! Let's be real... Bernie, despite bein the most popular politician in the country...

19. To Sunshine Patriot Centrists, anything to the left is very far left extremists. n/t

53. I agree the Democratic Party SHOULD be a big tent party, but seein how Bernie's been treated...

83. entitlement angst is what you're seeing

15. It's We The People who decide the direction of the Party... thats why we're DEMOCRATS...

26. "We're voting for Bernie to lead the Democratic Party"

32. When Bernie signed the paperwork to run & govern as a Democrat when he becomes the next POTUS.

38. I am a Democrat

43. I consider Bernie to be a "Super Democrat" of sorts cuz he votes with the Democratic majority

49. "in all the ways that matter"

33. I recall that the Labour Party activists decided what the Party was...

17. Is it me or is this OP anti-Democratic Party?

24. It would be if a Sanders supporter said something similar.

40. Yep, those moderates got us where we are today and it's not a good place.

22. with Bernie's...

37. No one is gonna confuse Bernie with President Obama but nice try.

60. Don't forget

79. I didn't know about that. But I do like his white hair locks.

82. How could you miss it?

28. Oh, man. Where's my violin?

30. I just don't understand how saying we need to find a way to ensure health insurance and

73. Exactly!

35. Thanks for sharing

39. Sanders Can Win

41. Buck up! We are The liberal party in America

42. A lot of things moderates like are courtesy of socialists of the 19th and 20th centuries.

44. man oh man....where the hell am I???

45. I cant agree at all

48. Have a great time in Costa Rica. I heard it's beautiful down there.

50. Myself if Sanders wins the nomination I will

51. The Democratic Party is not moving left...the Overton Window is

54. Nixon's Silent Majority is hollowed out

56. Oh, get over it

57. Moderates are good at winning House districts.

58. It's deja vu all over again; thank you Yogi Berra.

59. there is never such a thing as too far to the left when you have been living in the extreme right

62. Oh good golly, this thing has just got started

63. True

65. its more glacial than lurching. obama was ideologically not a moderate

67. Moderates better get behind the nominee if they want to win

68. I agree

70. Would those small areas of the country where he plays well in include Iowa, New Hampshire & Nevada?