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Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:46 PM

 

More Bernie gems for GE

Just consider, to begin with, one issue from Sanders’ political career, highlighted by the historian Ronald Radosh When Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and his minions seized dozens of American hostages in 1979 and held 52 of them for 444 days, Americans across the spectrum were united in outrage and in seeking their safe return. Sanders, at the time, was a backer of an obscure Marxist-Leninist political party that pledged support for the Iranian theocracy and defended the hostage-taking. In line with Iranian propaganda, the party alleged that the captured diplomats and other U.S. Embassy workers were likely CIA agents.

This at the very moment when those Americans were being abused and tortured for precisely that charge.
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evertonfc Feb 2020 OP
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #1
relayerbob Feb 2020 #7
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #13
DownriverDem Feb 2020 #24
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #25
octoberlib Feb 2020 #2
Mister Ed Feb 2020 #3
TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #34
Tarc Feb 2020 #4
redstateblues Feb 2020 #8
Tarc Feb 2020 #14
delisen Feb 2020 #9
msongs Feb 2020 #12
Tarc Feb 2020 #16
delisen Feb 2020 #19
Tarc Feb 2020 #21
delisen Feb 2020 #30
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #18
delisen Feb 2020 #20
TomSlick Feb 2020 #23
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #28
krissey Feb 2020 #5
jmg257 Feb 2020 #6
dem4decades Feb 2020 #10
JudyM Feb 2020 #22
dalton99a Feb 2020 #11
YOHABLO Feb 2020 #26
DownriverDem Feb 2020 #27
renate Feb 2020 #15
aikoaiko Feb 2020 #17
pecosbob Feb 2020 #29
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #31
TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #32
HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #33
TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #35
pistdem Feb 2020 #36

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:48 PM

1. It will be a drip drip drip

 

If people think Hillary’s emails were problematic stay tuned for what’s ahead.
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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:02 PM

7. More likely a fire hose

 

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:48 PM

13. Yes, you are right.

 

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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:46 PM

24. Say hello to

 

trump's second term. Sanders is being defined by trump and the repubs. His supporters are politically naive.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:47 PM

25. Comically so in fact.

 

The $2 billion the GOP are going to drop on his head is going to be devastating.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:49 PM

2. JFC.

 

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:49 PM

3. Important to provide a source. n/t

 

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:18 PM

34. Right Wing Rags, OpEds and Snopes rated as FALSE

 

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:51 PM

4. The rise of Khomeini was the direct result of backlash at years of Western meddling in Iran

 

The US helped overthrow a democratically-elected government to install the thug Pahlavi, that kinda thing builds resentment over time.


Bernie was in the right on this.
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Response to Tarc (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:03 PM

8. When you're explaining your losing

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:56 PM

14. When some are unaware of basic historical facts, explanations are due

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:04 PM

9. Bernie was wrong khomeini was a murderous tyrant

 

A woman hater and vicious theocrat who ushered in a hideous reign of terror and forced young girls out of educational opportunity into marriages with older men.
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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:31 PM

12. so was fidel castro but survivors got...free everything. nt

 

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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:58 PM

16. So was Pahlavi

 

The only difference was one was a fried and one was not, and this was a tactic that was repeated throughout South and Central America in the 50s-80s.

It is rather interesting to see some here so desperate to thwart Sanders by any means necessary, that they are embracing neoconservative policies to do so.
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Response to Tarc (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:26 PM

19. Sad to see any whitewashing off khomeini. Binary thinking

 

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is logic-free. If you think think that because the shah was bad, khomeini was good- that is illogical,

The rights of women and girls are human rights-here and throughout the world including Russia, iran, pakistan.

The battle is now. I invite you to join it now. It is the truly revolutionary struggle.
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Response to delisen (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:20 PM

21. I didn't say Kohmeni was "good", that was you, buddy boy

 

I do have more sympathy for people determining their own fate and discarding the shackles of colonialism, though. Ho Chi Minh is a similar case; perhaps a bit of a bad egg, but doing it for the right reasons.

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:07 PM

30. But we are not eggs we are women

 

We are paying the price whether its colonialism or old theocratic patriarchy.

Right now we have built ourselves a fighting chance in a number of countries-but it is going to be a struggle.
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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:03 PM

18. Yeah and the Sha was a lovable lout with a heart of gold!

 



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

SAVAK (Persian: ساواک‎, short for سازمان اطلاعات و امنیت کشور Sāzemān-e Ettelā'āt va Amniyat-e Keshvar, literally "National Organization for Security and Intelligence was the secret police, domestic security and intelligence service in Iran during the reign of the Pahlavi dynasty. It was established by Mohammad Reza Shah with the help of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)[2] and the Israeli Mossad.[3] SAVAK operated from 1957 until the Iranian Revolution of 1979,


Writing at the time of the Shah's overthrow, Time magazine on February 19, 1979, described SAVAK as having "long been Iran's most hated and feared institution" which had "tortured and murdered thousands of the Shah's opponents."[26] The Federation of American Scientists also found it guilty of "the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners" and symbolizing "the Shah's rule from 1963–79." The FAS list of SAVAK torture methods included "electric shock, whipping, beating, inserting broken glass and pouring boiling water into the rectum, tying weights to the testicles, and the extraction of teeth and nails."[27][28]





They were both assholes. You know ho wasn’t? The democratically elected President we overthrew.




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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:30 PM

20. We know the history. The battle for human rights continues

 

In Iran. Especially for women and girls . hope you will join us.0l
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Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:50 PM

28. Yeah good luck explaining all of that.

 

I’m sure a disengaged American electorate will be willing to turn off the Masked Singer or the Kardashians to go on a deep dive into 70’s era Middle East geopolitical minutiae.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:53 PM

5. I remember hearing this CT.

 

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:55 PM

6. Here is some info on this...

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-iran-hostage-crisis/

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We did not find any public statements by Sanders on the subject of the Iran hostage crisis, so the claim that he expressed support for Khomeini was false, and a clear case of “guilt by association” with the utterances of Pulley and the SWP being transferred on to Sanders because of his links to both.

A spokesperson for Sanders’ 2020 presidential campaign indicated he was opposed to SWP policy on Iran at that time, telling Snopes: “Senator Sanders did not think the hostages were spies nor did he support their captivity. Any suggestion otherwise is nonsense.”

However, Sanders’ disagreement with Pulley and the SWP on the Iran hostage crisis was demonstrably not strong enough to prompt him to sever ties with either, given that the future U.S. representative and senator continued to speak at SWP campaign events after the hostage crisis and supported the party’s presidential candidate four years later. "
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:08 PM

10. Russia wants Trump to win, there's a reason they want Sanders as the opponent.

 

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:32 PM

22. Just maybe because folks who don't like him might divide the party if he's doing well.

 

Hillary and Carville are, unfortunately, playing right into Putin’s hands in this respect by abjectly maligning him. I hope we wise up.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:19 PM

11. Sanders has a bizarre radical past that Trump and Republicans would use to destroy him

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/10/bernie-sanders-radical-past-donald-trump-attack-fodder-column/4706779002/
Sanders has a bizarre radical past that Trump and Republicans would use to destroy him
Sanders has radical fringe skeletons dangling in closets without doors. He's destined to fail in a general election, perhaps in a 49-state rout.

The progressives pressing the senator's case may not care, but the general electorate will: Sanders has a bizarre radical past. It would not only set him back on his heels in a general election campaign, it would completely neutralize the potent charge that Trump cozies up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and other dictators.

Just consider, to begin with, one issue from Sanders’ political career, highlighted by the historian Ronald Radosh in The Daily Beast. When Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and his minions seized dozens of American hostages in 1979 and held 52 of them for 444 days, Americans across the spectrum were united in outrage and in seeking their safe return. Sanders, at the time, was a backer of an obscure Marxist-Leninist political party that pledged support for the Iranian theocracy and defended the hostage-taking. In line with Iranian propaganda, the party alleged that the captured diplomats and other U.S. Embassy workers were likely CIA agents.

This at the very moment when those Americans were being abused and tortured for precisely that charge.

Sanders, who was a Vermont elector for the party in 1980 and spoke at rallies for its candidates at least twice, in 1982 and 1984, has never had to answer either for these views or for his association with this radical fringe group.
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:47 PM

26. Sounds to me like some Dems want to destroy one of their own.

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:49 PM

27. trump and the repubs

 

have already started to define Sanders. His supporters are politically naive.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:56 PM

15. I think the DNC needs to focus on the Senate... the presidency is not going to be in play

 

But with enough Democratic senators and a few honest GOPers (a girl can dream), Trump can be impeached for violating the emoluments clause and removed by the next Senate.

Maybe I’m just having a bad day, but if Sanders is our nominee, and to my horror I’m realizing that it really is probably going to be him, I give up all hope of beating Trump. I’d love to see him as President, so I’m not anti-Bernie, but it simply is not going to happen.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:58 PM

17. This again? Bernie was right. Some of the hostages were CIA.

 



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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:51 PM

29. I don't support Sanders, but he was right in that case.

 

No good American can defend our government's regime change in Iran or it's extended cold war against the Iranian people. Our government supports the odious Sunni despots of the region to our shame.
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Response to pecosbob (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:11 PM

31. Bernie has been, and continues to be, right about pretty much EVERYTHING!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:15 PM

32. JFC! This is RW/Russian Propaganda Folks. Snopes FALSE

 

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bernie-sanders-iran-hostage-crisis/

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:17 PM

33. Lol

 

Be sure to get that memo to the Trump campaign so they won’t use it in November.
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Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:18 PM

35. Whomever the candidate, they'll be pulling similar tricks.

 

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