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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:03 PM

 

My thoughts (with the Burnie bashing here) i'm for Biden but

Two words that mean the same fucking thing are (RUSSIA and REPUBLICAN) THEY just want to cause us to self destruct!. To me Biden is the best choice BUT Sanders is NO RUSSIAN!! I refuse to believe this!
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Reply My thoughts (with the Burnie bashing here) i'm for Biden but (Original post)
bluestarone Feb 2020 OP
Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #1
bluestarone Feb 2020 #4
Cha Feb 2020 #18
bluestarone Feb 2020 #19
Cha Feb 2020 #24
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #23
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #27
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #32
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #33
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #35
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #36
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #38
lapucelle Feb 2020 #30
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #34
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #37
lapucelle Feb 2020 #40
lapucelle Feb 2020 #41
Squinch Feb 2020 #11
redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #20
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #2
rzemanfl Feb 2020 #3
OnDoutside Feb 2020 #21
rzemanfl Feb 2020 #22
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #26
LakeArenal Feb 2020 #5
marlakay Feb 2020 #6
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #10
Arkansas Granny Feb 2020 #7
bluestarone Feb 2020 #14
IluvPitties Feb 2020 #8
PatSeg Feb 2020 #9
apcalc Feb 2020 #12
pfeiffer Feb 2020 #13
hedda_foil Feb 2020 #16
lapucelle Feb 2020 #39
elleng Feb 2020 #15
iwannaknow Feb 2020 #17
UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #25
uponit7771 Feb 2020 #28
cherryinpa Feb 2020 #29
Squinch Feb 2020 #31
Mersky Feb 2020 #42

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:04 PM

1. I don't think he wants Russian help.

 

But, apparently, they ARE helping him.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

4. Maybe so (which i do not doubt) BUT

 

We CANNOT blame Sanders!! Just need to be aware of it!
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:16 PM

18. Why did he keep it quiet for a month? The point is

 

the Russians are helping him.. of course he didn't ask for it.
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Response to Cha (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:21 PM

19. I DO NOT have an answer to that. BUT

 

I know Sanders is NO RUSSIAN! Russia will continue to do ANYTHING to disrupt our family here! LONG time left until election. I see a hell of a lot WORSE things coming yet! We need EVERY ONES support everyday!!
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Response to bluestarone (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:02 PM

24. Didn't Say he Was!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:47 PM

23. Why would he share classified information?

 

Candidates and members of Congress are told a lot of things that the public only finds out about via investigative reporting.
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 PM

27. So we know it was all classified? Or was only some of it classified? Maybe he could of left out

 

the classified bits then. And if that was the case when interviewed why didn't he say that? Instead he took shots at the free press.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:32 PM

32. It was the very first thing he said to the press.

 

You can listen here: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-russia-interference-raw-sot-vpx.cnn
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:37 PM

33. He said I go to many intelligence briefings that we don't reveal to the public nothing about it

 

being classified.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:40 PM

35. An intelligence briefing involving a foreign adversary? Uh, yeah, that's gonna be classified.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:41 PM

36. You just said he addressed it being classified and I showed you he didn't. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:43 PM

38. Like I said, I think it's a given. But make hay if you must.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

30. It's not classified information.

 

BS made that clear in his answer to the question.

Sanders told reporters Friday after The Postís report was published that he received the briefing ďabout a month ago.Ē Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, ďBecause I go to many intelligence briefings which I donít reveal to the public.Ē


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:37 PM

34. +1000

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:41 PM

37. Huh? Is your issue that he didn't use the word "classified?"

 

Do you really think an intelligence briefing (from the FBI or any other Intel agency) about a foreign adversary wouldn't be classified? Really? You don't think that's kind of a given?
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:47 PM

40. My issue is that people are spreading misinformation about the nature of the briefing. N/T

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:51 PM

41. Do you really think that WaPo would put classified information on their front page?

 

Do you really think that when asked why he kept silent for a month, BS wouldn't simply have said "It was classified"?

Do you really think if this news story revealed classified information that wouldn't itself wouldn't be an even bigger story?

Huh?

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:09 PM

11. And he's been allowing them to for a month without saying anything about it.

 

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:23 PM

20. I don't think he minds that much, he wants it that bad.

 

The ego is large with this one.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:06 PM

2. I agree

 

But I'm really bothered by this story that he's known about this for a month. He needs to explain why he sat on it. And he needs to do it now.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

3. What bothers me is him sitting on the information for a month.

 

Ballots have been cast and mailed.
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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:41 PM

21. +1 After 2016, he knows better, or did but saw the opportunity for

 

Political advantage.
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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:44 PM

22. I just had someone tell me I shouldn't rehash 2016 in another thread.

 

I didn't respond in the way I would have liked to, because rules and civility.
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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:13 PM

26. +1000 Good point about the ballots I guess that was the point. nt

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

5. He doesn't have to be.

 

Sanders wasnít a Russian in 2016.

That doesnít mean he knows anyone Russian helping him.

Twitter quit Political ads. Facebook has done nothing. Fux Youz pushes Bernie.
No one is accusing Bernie of being a fux youz puppet.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:07 PM

6. Bernie was probably told it was classified

 

But they leaked it now to stop him.

I donít think Bernie ever expected to be in the big leagues and thats why he isnít what people want him to be.
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Response to marlakay (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

10. Then he needs to hold a press conference and explain why he didn't say anything at the time

 

If it was classified and he couldn't then fine. I can accept that.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

7. IMO, infighting about the Democratic candidates helps no one but Trump.

 

Extol the virtues of your choice, but don't trash the others. Argue policy differences, not personalities, and don't demean supporters of other candidates.
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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM

14. Exactly

 

We need to be smarter than the RETHUGS!!
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

8. He knew this for a month and did not denounce them...

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:08 PM

9. I don't think anyone here

 

believes Bernie is in cahoots with the Russians, but clearly Russia wants to help him become the Democratic nominee, because they believe Trump can beat him.

It certainly is not Sanders' fault, but it does seem to indicate he would be a weak general election candidate.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM

12. Believe what you want. What is clear-his campaign is an asset to them

 

in their eyes.

They will use him like last time, like they used Jil Stein, all the corporatist bullshit about Hillary, and all those gullible enough to buy into that bullshit etc

And they will again. They wish to create division and anger.

I believe tons of stuff here are instigated by them, (eg yet another poll showing Bernie is ahead!!!) . I believe some of todayís Ďprotestationsí are also.

Fool me once , shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

They are masters at propaganda.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:10 PM

13. I too agree, but...

 

#1 - The visual is not good...he wants to win and Russia is attempting to help him win; #2 - Yikes...he knew for one month but didn't inform anyone.
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Response to pfeiffer (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:14 PM

16. Perhaps the Intel was classified so he couldn't talk about it until it was public.

 

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:43 PM

39. That's not what BS said when he was asked.

 

If this were "classified information" that somehow made its way onto the front page of WaPo, that woud be an even bigger story.

Sanders told reporters Friday after The Postís report was published that he received the briefing ďabout a month ago.Ē Asked why he did not disclose the briefing publicly, Sanders replied, ďBecause I go to many intelligence briefings which I donít reveal to the public.Ē

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:11 PM

15. THEY just want to cause us to self destruct,

 

and of course it's WORKING.

We are PITYFUL.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:15 PM

17. Thank you blustarone

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:11 PM

25. I'm pretty sure there is nobody saying this. I would NEVER think Sanders would solicit or do

 

anything wrong like that.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 PM

28. Why didnt Sanders denounce outside involvement in US elections when he found out he was being helped

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:15 PM

29. Yes

 

I agree with you. This could be some sort of psyops to sow confusion. Bernie may not be our best chance but itís increasingly looking like heís going to be our only chance. So letís make the best of this. The Russians might be trying to divide and conquer within the Democratic Party ranks pitting one against the other.

I really wish Bernie would come out and make a statement on whatís going on.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:19 PM

31. But the result is the same as if he had solicited their help, isn't it?

 

They're helping him.

Russians are helping him. Because they want anothwr trump term.

And he sat on that for a month.

And this is the second time they've done that.
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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:19 AM

42. I'm watching myself for misplaced emotional reaction

 

Have started and stopped trying to post in regards to this all evening. Iíve felt some snap distrust and am collecting my emotions - itís been a rough day. Righteous anger over tRump summarily firing one acting ODNI director for another (that is ridiculously unqualified) just kept going until the Bernie story hit.

Iím trying to keep focus on how we got to this point: tRump. As Swalwell pointed out on Lawrence OíDonnellís show, the real question should be, when was tRump first notified and did he use that intel to start preferencing Bernie in his twitter feed, etc. instead of taking measures to protect the integrity of the election?

If Sanders wins the election by whatever means, good or bad, Democrats will hold him accountable if he favors putin one tenth as aggressively as tRump has. Is bonkers that Sanders was briefed on this during the impeachment, and I get how transparency may have been tricky. Am glad we know about it, now, by leak and then confirmation from the candidate. I give Sanders credit for forceful comments aimed at putin. I could have done without his Washington Post jab as he headed for the plane (that really bothers me). Iíll temper my reactions with reading and knowledge.

Too, this isnít a ĎDemocratic establishmentí takedown of Bernie. Címon, thatís just convenient conjecture.

These are the machinations of the tRump regime as they tear down the whole system for their narrow benefit, and I will not give in to their abusive tactics.

Eta: I donít know how to figure all this after seeing Bernieís tweet from earlier this evening. Iím rather pissed off, now.
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