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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:59 AM

 

My conversation with my DNC operative in Florida

this morning was somber. but if you want to nominate a Democratic socialist as the head of the Democratic party you will lose the WH and lose House seats. Middle America and the Southeast will not elect a Democratic Socialist. Period. End of conversation. It's why moderates won here in 18 and 19 and Sanders backed candidates didn't. You think America is represebtive of the coasts. I'll bet my 25 years working local and state campaigns from FL to GA to TN that Trump will beat Sanders in historic fashion.
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evertonfc Feb 2020 OP
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

1. You'll never convince them...

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

2. We'll lose massively.

 

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

4. I like Bernie but you're right about the Senate and House flipping red

 

We'll lose the ability to pass ANYTHING without flipping the Senate, and the ONLY way to do that is voting for a moderate as our candidate.
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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

5. Or people can go work their tails off to get Sanders elected instead of bitching about him online.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

8. In 1984 I worked my tail off to get Mondale elected...

 

...didn't mean I didn't see the Reagan landsllide coming.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:14 AM

9. Wasted efforts, not gonna happen. A socialist of any kind

 

Is a no-go. Dead in the water.
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Response to apcalc (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:19 AM

13. Vote Blue No Matter Who

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:16 AM

10. No amount of work will get him elected.

 

I agree with the OP. He needs more than just Democratic voters. Now is not the time to push for a "revolution" headed by people who are constantly disparaging "established Democrats". Just who does that refer to anyway? The ones he wants to work their tails off to get him elected? That's not happening.
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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

39. Bless Ol' Bernie And His Followers

 

But they're living in some blue-tinged bubble where the real world doesn't peep in. Socialism, alas, is still a scare word across middle America, and those suburban Moms and other factions hard-working Democratic activists brought into the fold to vote Team Donkey will balk at voting for Bernie.

The puppies and unicorns crowd fails to realize that we need more than just Sanders followers to take the White House, and even more voters than "Vote Blue No Matter Who" Democrats. This is not a prediction based on Sandalista "party elites" bunkum. It's a sober acknowledgement of unpleasant facts. The unpleasant fact is that Bernie is perceived as being too radical for most of the country. The 2016 election should have been instructive; those of us who saw what happened to Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern already know.

The puppies and unicorns crowd needs to sit down and soberly reflect on whether the Democratic Party has enough voters to win elections on their own even without the rest of the voters out there. They don't. We need Democrats and others if we want to see a Democrat in the White House as President of the USA on January 22nd, 2021. Great futile gestures avail us nothing.
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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:10 PM

91. RIGHT?

 

For any of us who lived through those campaigns and even worked for those nominees, nominating a "socialist" who promotes a "revolution" is political suicide. I hope there are enough sane, realistic, practical voters who will nominate a centrist/moderate. Otherwise we will have another 4 years of the Orange Maggot, and the country will be damaged for generations.
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Response to Desert grandma (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:06 PM

89. And add in tRussian interference and FB and you

 

are close to virtual impossibility. And when it's over, WTH do we have? 4 more years of Traitortot. Keep saying this!! because our party is divided in 1/2. One part going with policies they like the other half going with who looks best in matchups in battleground.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

14. With this election that's not going to be enough.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:12 PM

53. No amount of "work" can get him elected..

 

..his candidacy would be toxic in most parts of the country outside of a few white gentrified urban areas..none of us can change who he is ..
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:17 PM

58. No, that won't happen

 

No amount of working one's tail off will change the minds of people, who absolutely will not vote for someone, who calls himself a "democratic socialist". For all the Bernie supporters who will move heaven and earth for him, there are plenty of voters who cannot stand him.

If Bernie is the nominee, not only will we lose the White House, but we'll lose the senate and possibly the house as well. That will effectively be the end of democracy as we know it. We will experience profound change, but not the change that Bernie and his people are proposing.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

60. How?

 

When I ask how to defend his healthcare plans i either get called a stooge who doesnít want universal healthcare orbthat ďyes you lose your employer based plan and your taxes might go up but trust me youíll come out aheadĒ

I guess I can learn to say it with a smile.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:51 PM

109. What is it that you're doing right now?

 



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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

11. Absolutely

 

It's like they have blinders on and cannot see beyond the primaries. They don't see other scenarios happening other than winning. They're going to come up against a force unlike anything we've ever seen before and that's not even mentioning the money the Republicans have at their disposal. Russia will stop at nothing to win.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

18. On Sunday with final Nevada numbers complete, voters will say who they want to run in the general

 

Trust the voters. Next Sunday after numbers are released at the latest, again the voters in South Carolina will let everyone know. Super Tuesday again will give their concrete decisions. We donít have long to see who the voters want and that is all that matters.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:46 PM

82. I suspect no candidate will come to the convention with the votes to secure the nomination

 

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:50 PM

85. We trusted the voters in 1980 (40 States), 1984 (49 States) and 1988 (44 States)

 

Yes, they'll decide who the nominee is, but I have no assurance that they'll make a thoughtful decision.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #85)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:52 PM

94. You don't trust fellow democratic voters?

 

Reagan and Bush are not trump at all.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #94)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 08:23 AM

106. That's like saying the match that lit the fire isn't so bad.

 

Reagan and Bush did a lot of damage to our country that never got fixed. That damage is a big reason we got Trump.
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Response to kcr (Reply #106)

Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:23 AM

108. That's true

 

I was talking being normal at least perceived.
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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:03 PM

95. The democratic primary doesn't really start until...

 

... African Americans get the chance to vote in great numbers. That won't happen until after Nevada.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

78. You are right

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

103. I was too young to vote for McGovern.

 

But I remember watching on election night as he got hammered and all the great left ideas went up in smoke. Now Sanders supporters have the gall to say that McGovern and Mondale were not on the left solidly.

If Sanders is nominated, I am going to convince as many people as I can to vote for Sander. I will supports his campaign with money and my own vote. But I won't watch the election returns, I just can't put myself through that again after enduring it four times before (McGovern in 72, Carter in 80, Mondale in 84 and Dukakis in 88).

I was not an adult when McGovern went down. Carter in 76 was my first presidential vote. I am a widened older man now, I am not the wild idealist that I was in 72. I know that bad things happen when you reach for too much at once and scare the majority of Americans. Life is good for me, I will never need an abortion, I own my business and give orders, not the other way around, cops don't seem to follow me around and I don't get followed when I am in stores, I have never been in trouble with the law so my citizenship can't be challenged in any way, I have the right to vote and no one has tried or would be able to take that away. I am just tired of trying to warn the inexperienced that think they know better or the oldsters who are somehow embittered by our system of governance. If Sanders is nominated in November, I know that regardless of what happens, I will be in good shape, I lived every disheartening minute of the Reagan years, Trump can be worst, but other than his crimes, nothing that he has done has negatively affected me. There is a good chance that I will be dead before climate change hammers people, so more years of Trump fucking things up only affects me philosophically, again I will likely be either dead when the problems hit big, or I will be secure in my world that will be among the last feeling the impact.

I am just tired of warning people only to see the depth of their self-delusion, I need to start thinking more about myself and immediate family, I am not going to convince the McGovernites, the "progressives" who ripped Carter and Mondale for not being "pure" enough and not adhering to some world that we simply can't reach in one swoop. Those people think they know better and that things will be different this time, the very same foolishness that I heard all the other times we suffered setbacks that take a decade or more to fully recover from.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:08 AM

3. Not only that

 

we could lose two Congressional seats.
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Response to RandySF (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:13 PM

54. We'd lose a lot more the two...

 

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

6. I think so too.

 

Many BS supporters have lost their critical thinking skills. We all saw what happened in 2018 and why we took the house. If BS is the nominee there is absolutely NO WAY we will kick trump out of the White House. The thought of 4 more years (at least) of his corrupt administration, and the long term damage he will cause is frightening.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

7. I think we should do away with delegates

 

and replace them with anecdotes.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

12. I am sure this person is correct.

 

Hopefully we Democrats get our shit together before its too late.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:22 AM

15. I heard the very same thing from a friend in Illinois who is a big time party operative.

 

He was pretty blunt in saying Bernie is an out of control brush fire for our party. He wins, we will lose the House, a few more Senate seats and the White House in a huge landslide.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:28 AM

16. What's funny about these Sanders can't win posts...

 

Is that they all come from the self-styled ďpragmatic realistsĒ that also displayed zero in the way of critical thinking on 2016 when they voted in a candidate in the primaries that had the lowest historical approval ratings of any presidential candidate ever -and one who was consistently losing in head to head polls vs Sanders against Trump.

So remind me again why you all think your record of realistic thinking is so convincing?
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Response to Bonobo (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

30. None of Bernie's "Our Revolution" candidates won in 2018. That's a harbinger of things to come

 

Ignore them at your peril. America will not elect a Socialist in 2020.
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:53 PM

87. In all fairness...

 

They also didnít get the support of the DNC. Itís a bit harder when youíre fighting on both fronts.
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Response to Bonobo (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 07:34 PM

97. Some of us, like me, voted for Bernie in 2016 primary.

 

It seemed evident that Hillary had the entire GOP against her for years. I was willing to give BS a chance then. Now, however, he is an angry old man who is going to destroy a party that he is using to run for President, but is constantly disparaging with his divisive comments . So, no. Not all of us voted for Clinton. We ARE critical thinkers who can see that it is very evident that Trump and his Russian friends want Bernie to be the nominee. Why would they want that? Because he is the weakest candidate and will be the easiest to defeat. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:39 AM

17. Supporters of all four moderates are complaining about Bernie instead of uniting around a competitor

 

I guess it is easier to complain than it is to drop your favored candidate for a consensus candidate, whoever that is. The only reason Bernie is ahead is because the moderate vote is fractured too many ways. Fix that problem and you donít have to worry about Bernie.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:01 AM

22. Wow

 

We both posted this idea at the same time lol.
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Response to pinkstarburst (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:24 AM

31. I could get behind her but as long as she is afraid to go after Bernie

 

She is going nowhere
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:26 PM

64. She is not afraid to go after Bernie, their views and goals are very similar

 

She understand that there is nothing to go after Bernie, the only reason people here are going after Bernie is because he is on top and their chosen candidate is not. What a way to divide the party, it is incredibly crazy to read all these posts attacking our own.

Oh, and the predictions..."This or that will not win the GE" and blah, blah, blah....Has it occurred to anyone that the Democratic canidate who wins the nomination will have done so because the majority of Democrats wanted them to win, that this person has the most support from Democrats?
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Response to Perseus (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

72. Not true. It's unlikely that any candidate will have a majority of delegates

 

FYI. Bernie is not one of our own. He is not a Democrat. He is a Socialist
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Response to pinkstarburst (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:28 AM

33. Warren- Abrams

 

That ticket will roll to an easy victory.
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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:40 AM

38. That would be a wonderful ticket.

 

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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

42. Val Demings, not Abrams

 

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Response to epictitus (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

62. I want Val to run against Rubio in 2022

 

We need to take that seat.
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Response to MoonlitKnight (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:27 PM

65. Why? What is with Abrams that would make sucha ticket a sure winner?

 

I don't get it, but it could be my ignorance on how good Abrams is?
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Response to Perseus (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:36 PM

70. We lost in 2016 in part due to lower Black turnout

 

It puts Georgia in play. A lot of motivated voters who felt they were ripped off. Pennsylvania is already looking good. Especially if we boost turnout in Philadelphia. We just need one more state. If itís Georgia we have a potential blowout.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

21. That's what I've been thinking too.

 

My personal solution, if no one at the convention has the delegates to win, would be to nominate your candidate, Elizabeth Warren, as a unity candidate. That would keep moderates and progressives happy, IMO.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

45. Warren does not work at the top of the ticket

 

She still scares moderates, just not as much as Bernie. She could be a good VP candidate on a unity ticket for both sides of the democratic party
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Response to Moderateguy (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:39 PM

73. Faced with a Bernie nomination she scares me a lot less than him

 

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Response to Moderateguy (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:09 PM

96. My suburban mom independent leans dem...

 

.... friend doesn't see any difference between Bernie and Lizzy. She calls both of them "socialist". Even when I point out only one calls himself that.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:47 AM

43. I actually agree with you on this...

 

Moderates needs to unite behind ONE candidate. Bernie is not polling over 30% anywhere. If Moderates pick one standard-bearer at worst that person will have a 50-50 shot of being the nominee.
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Response to Moderateguy (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

71. Either that, or throw the juggernaut at Bernie

 

Stop holding back and start hitting him over all of the oppo research that will supposedly kill him in November. If Bloomberg or a superpac run ads in Florida of Bernie praising Fidel Castro and he wins there anyway, then we'll know that people don't care what he said about a socialist dictator 30 years ago. Alternatively, people do care and get scared off and someone else gets the nomination.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

19. We don't need the Southeast

 

They consistently show that they love the fascist in office, Trump. Look, I hope Sanders doesnít win. I think itís a gamble. But I think he has a chance if we all unite and GOTV. The one Iím worried about most is Bloomberg. I think heíll depress turnout more than Sanders.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:02 AM

23. How will you make up for Virginia in that case?

 

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:03 AM

24. You're right, we would need Virginia.

 

But Iím not convinced Sanders would lose there either.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:18 AM

27. Aren't you forgeting Florida? We definitely need Florida.

 

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Response to brush (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

28. We don't.

 

If we keep Hillaryís states plus the three battleground states, we win.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #28)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:32 AM

34. And we just need Pennsylvania plus one

 

Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina,
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

40. Yes, we do, we need Florida for sure

 

And also NC. Sooner or later, we will have a decent chance at Texas, too.
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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

41. It would be nice to win all of those.

 

Iím just saying we can win with Hillaryís states plus the three battleground states.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:06 AM

26. I'm a Democratic Committe Member in NJ

 

He will kill Tom Malinowski's campaign.

Booker will be fine - but Hunterdon County is a long ways away from Bergen, Essex, and Camden county.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

29. The PEOPLE support Bernie. The PEOPLE get to vote, not just DNC operatives.

 

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:34 AM

35. If they

 

donít see the danger of four more years of Trump then I question their commitment to Democratic Party ideals. Sanders would be much better than Trump and would at least preserve our democracy.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:37 AM

36. They say if Sanders is the nominee then they are done with the Democratic Party

 

Dependable voters, straight Democratic votes for 4 decades. They remember the Cold War and Sanders is a bridge too far for them. Sanders will drive these people into Trump's hands even if they just don't participate any longer.

They look at Sanders as just another despot wannabe, only a Commmunist despot.
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:39 AM

37. Then they're

 

just as deplorable as Stein and Trump voters. Sanders is not a USSR communist and they should know that.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

44. You just need to tell them Vote Blue No Matter Who

 

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Response to nobuddy (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:19 PM

101. Vote Blue no matter who??? Not exactly

 

My moderate R friends care who it is . They are going to ď vote blue, depending on whoĒ.

We need their votes here in PA.

Biden, Klobuchar. Thatís it.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:27 PM

102. Vote Blue No Matter Who

 

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:49 AM

46. Sanders as the nominee will flip Virginia to Trump. nt

 

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:15 PM

56. Yup, I could see him losing every state that Hillary won by less than 10 points..

 

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:51 AM

48. Bernie Sanders: Disaster in 2016- We could've had Hillary not trump. Death of our Nation in 2020.

 

Maybe he can get Ralph Nader in the VP slot, since Nader worked out so well to torpedo Gore in 2000.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:51 AM

49. We need a moderate or we won't win - that's my opinion. Think this is why Warren is inching to the

 

middle lane.

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

50. We have a DU bubble here....

 

He may have convinced the kids.... but Sanders and his My Revolution shit ain't going to sell and it isn't selling. Look who his advisors are, and who surrounds himself with.


[link:https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807047941/poll-sanders-rises-but-socialism-isnt-popular-with-most-americans|]

[link:https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/398580-poll-majority-of-americans-say-the-would-not-vote-for-a|]

Trumps already using the socialist message.

Meanwhile the poll gets twisted...by commondreams.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:01 PM

51. The Repukes will use the term "Socialist" as a club and beat us over the head with it

 

Like they did with the "gay" club, the "Women" club, the "Black" club, the "Hippie" (reaching way back) club and so on and so forth. The Repukes know how to exploit that type of shit. They are experts in reaching into the darkest corners of human fears and insecurities.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:12 PM

52. If people don't think that the Russians and the Trump Campaign aren't working right now to make ...

 

... that Bernie is the nominee then they are crazy.

Bernie would get us hammered in OH, PA, WV, VA, western NY, IN, and IL where they
produce natural gas by fracking because he is on record as saying that fracking should
be banned. (Yes, I know fracking is bad and that burning natural gas gives off green-
house gases) In a lot of those areas many good paying jobs are from fracking and Bernie
is telling those people that if you vote for me I will take away your jobs.
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Response to Botany (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

59. Yep. nt

 

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:15 PM

55. Isn't this the same group that was certain we would win '16 in a "historic landslide"? n/t

 

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Response to RazBerryBeret (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:41 PM

74. We did win the popular vote by 3 million vote

 

The polls were right
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:47 PM

93. but that wasn't enough

 

it should have been a larger margin, knowing the voting shenanigans of 2012. Republicans counted Obama out, knowing they could steal a percentage of the vote, we won because there was such a large margin. Remember Rove's meltdown on Election night? I live in Ohio, we were not supposed to go blue, but we did by a large enough margin that their tampering didn't work.

we need to win huge, we need to plan better.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:17 PM

57. There we go again, eating our own

 

Can people stop this madness please? Enough...Is it too difficult to understand that posts like this are doing the job for the republicans and Putin? This is exactly what they want, split the Democratic party with empty accusation and predictions, create panic, he/she will never win the GE, blah, blah....Stop it now please.

It seems like nowadays everyone is a wizard who can predict the future.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:23 PM

61. Agree totally

 

Trump-Putin are using Bernie to divide the opposition. I hope the rest of the party has figured it out in time. Dictators want Trump elected. Dictators hate democracy. We fought WWII to defeat fascism, and here it is back again, trying to grab freedom for themselves and shake us all down.

I doubt Bernie will win a majority of delegates. Watch him closely. See if he attacks Trump as hard as he attacks Democrats or the financial system.
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:42 PM

76. He has attacked trump very hard, and that thing about trump wanting Sanders to win is false

 

Jan 29, 2020 - In his public comments, Trump has shifted his attention and attacks from Joe Biden to Bernie Sanders, an Intercept analysis found.
~~ [link:https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/trump-sanders-2020-election/|

[link:https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/04/watch-bernie-sanders-responds-trumps-third-state-union-address|
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Response to Perseus (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:47 PM

83. Not really

 

Links don't make it true, Intercept doesn't make it true, you believe the words from Trump's mouth? Trump wants the weakest candidate. SOCIALISM! will be all he screams if Sanders is the nominee.

Thanks for your ideas, we can't agree on anything, good luck.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:25 PM

63. I will cover some of that action. NT

 

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:28 PM

66. And I bet the same "Operative" said HRC was a shoe-in in 2016

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care

Bernieís policies are supported by a majority of the voters. This poll says 70% support Medicare-for-all.
This garbage about Bernie not being able to win is fueled by Russian bots and right-wing hacks. Be careful about who you are listening to, their motives are probably not honorable.
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Response to JohnBoltonsmustache (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:45 PM

81. We did win the popular vote by 3 million votes

 

Iím not listening to Russian bots. Iím listening to a lot of my Democratic friends who are astonished that our Democratic Party will nominate a Socialist
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:31 PM

67. By the way, there are no "Socialists" in the Democratic candidates

 

But if you think there are can you explain why you think so? What makes a socialist? Is it tax cuts for the rich, or subsidies for the great corporations, or healthcare that is only enjoyed by people in public office? I don't know, what is "Socialism", and who is the socialist you talk about and why?

These are questions that should be answered to help the rest of us who do not have a crystal ball, or may not know who the socialist is.

Also, how many times has Florida voted for Democrats? Is the wizard from Florida saying anything new?
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Response to Perseus (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:44 PM

79. Unfortunately there are "socialists" in the Democratic Party

 

By someone else's definition that is, and unfortunately up to the candidates to re-frame that definition. The presidential debate, if Trump even shows up, would be the venue to clarify that definition.

It's total BS, but that's the hand we've been dealt.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #67)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:34 PM

98. Well, one was an elector in the Worker's Socialist Party...

 

Six months after the 1980 election, on May 21, 1981, Sanders spoke at another Pulley rally. ďFor the last 40 years,Ē Sanders said, ďthe Socialist Workers Party hasÖ been harassed, informed upon, had their offices broken into, had members of their party fired from their jobs, and have been treated with cold contempt by the United States government.Ē Even worse, he went on, apparently referring to the Iranian hostage crisis, ďnow anybody who stands up and fights and says things is automatically a terrorist.Ē He claimed that he had been investigated himself by the FBI because ďI was an elector for the Socialist Workers Party,Ē referring to his formal role in the 1980 election with the Trotskyists.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. Asked about the SWP in 1988, Sanders, then the mayor of Burlington and a congressional candidate, talked down the connection, saying that: ďI was asked to put my name on the ballot and I did, thatís true." Today, no mention of Sandersí association with the SWP appears in any campaign biography he has issued. But Sanders remained tied to the party after 1980. He was a featured speaker at a Boston rally for the SWPís Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate and the partyís slate for Congress in 1982, the year after he was narrowly elected mayor of Burlington. In 1984, he again spoke on behalf of the SWPís presidential candidate, this time former Black Panther Mel Mason, telling The Militant that ďat a time when the Democratic and Republican parties are intellectually and spiritually bankrupt, it is imperative for radical voices to be heard which offer fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." It remains unclear when Sandersís affiliation with the SWP ended.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders

If you want to say that this was so long ago that it's irrelevant, you also have to remember that Sanders waves his participation in the MLK march on Washington, which was much earlier, as relevant evidence of his social justice cred...
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:34 PM

68. Well hell........

 

I suggest we get a candidate that pledges to end ALL socialism. No military, no, government pensions or salaries, for profit fire departments and police, end SS, end Medicare, end Medicade, end all insurance (health, auto, home, life) end state and federal highways and roads, pay as you drive, end space programs, eliminate National and State Parks, end the U.S. Fish and Wildlife as well as state agencies, eliminate disaster release, end billionaire and Corporation subsidies, end Farm loss relief, stop fighting fires with tax paid state and Federal taxes, end stadium building with tax dollars, end border patrol, no schools, end the Veterans Hispitals, no more WallMart socialism paying worker food and insurance, eliminate the CDC........I can go on. No damn socialism. The only what to beat trump. How did we not think of this. MAGA!!! No socialism, no way no how, dead in the water. Damn idiots! Jesus was an idiot as well, feeding all those people on a fish and loaf of bread. Damn him. Feed a stray dog you never get rid of em..
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:42 PM

75. The most important issue is Congress.

 

Almost all of our candidates would make great presidents, a couple are marginal one is not good. But all are way beyond tRump in acceptability.

BUT... the House and the Senate are absolutely non-negotiable. We can have a crummy democratic president as long as we get and keep Congress. And hey, we have the best of presidential candidates.

Sanders will most likely make us loose ground in congress and THAT is a place we cannot go.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

77. This is why the GOP wants Bernie so much to be the candidate.

 

There is no way he can WIN. In Texas which has an open primary, you can bet tons of Repugs will be lining up out the door to vote for him.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:44 PM

80. And the push to the right will just continue...

 

You canít keep letting them move the middle. And quite frankly, if itís a brokered convention and they take the nomination from Bernie through back room deals, youíre going to lose his supporters...

Weíre not beating Trump without the Bernie vote.
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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:48 PM

84. I'm still voting Bernie in Ca primary.

 

And for the nominee in November. I already did the only Hillary can win, so don't vote for who you want thing.

Trying something different with my lowly primary vote.

Thanks for sharing you insights.


P.s. AOC won in 2018.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:52 PM

86. It's the word, "Social". That word scares people who don't want to mingle

 

with people other than their own tribe. Americans arenít primed for the thought of togetherness. Maybe after a couple presidential cycles we can solve big problems.
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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:02 PM

88. 538 Concurs

 


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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:08 PM

90. Cry, cry, cry. Whine, whine, whine. Socialist, socialist, socialist.

 

If I didn't know better, I would've thought I was on a right wing blog.

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:54 PM

92. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy will be the next speaker come 2021

 




THE TUMULTUOUS POLITICAL CLIMATE has given fresh hope to REPUBLICANS, who were privately skeptical of TRUMPíS prediction that House Minority Leader KEVIN MCCARTHY will be the next speaker come 2021. Internal polling commissioned by the NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE showed that voters in districts targeted by both parties are skeptical of SANDERS -- his approval rating is 42%, and disapproval stands at 53% -- which they believe will help boost their candidates for the House. In these districts, voters prefer TRUMP, 48% to 43%. If SANDERS is atop the ticket, Republicans believe, they can credibly label every Democrat a socialist without fear of overreach.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 09:05 PM

100. No way. n/t

 

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Response to Laelth (Reply #100)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 10:53 AM

110. Here is an ad that is being run by the grandson of GHW Bush for GOP primary in TX CD 22

 

TX CD 22 is an open seat with Pete Olson retiring. The DCCC has targeted this seat for flipping. There are 15 candidates in GOP primary including the grandson of GHW Bush. Another candidate, Kathleen Wall, is running in the GOP primary and she spent $6 million in 2018 running in GOP primary for TX CD 2 and did not make GOP primary runoff. I have had Wall block walkers come to my house twice (I live in a very GOP neighborhood) and I have found Wall doorhanger on my door twice now.

Pierce Bush is running against socialism


Sri Preston Kulkarni is the leading Democrat for this seat (Sri has a GOP type and another person running against him in the Texas Democratic Primary) I texted this ad to Sri and he knew about it already. Sri Preston Kulkarni is a great guy and we need to flip this seat

If sanders is the nominee, we can forget about this seat and we will have Kevin McCarthy as speaker
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #110)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

112. The balance in the House won't come down to that one seat, obviously.

 

And, if Sanders is our nominee, there's no doubt that a lot of Republicans will run against socialism.

Here's the thing, my friend and favorite ringwraith, it looks like we're out of step and that the country has gotten a lot more liberal over the past many years that you and I have been posting on DU. I still think that Bloomberg will win our nomination, but Sanders has real energy behind him, and anything could happen.

Hope you are well.

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Fri Feb 21, 2020, 08:57 PM

99. Sanders can beat Trump. Daffy Duck could beat Trump in 2020.

 

That said, I am concerned about coat-tails and down-ballot races. Sanders may not be our best choice of a nominee for these reasons. But there's a lot of pent-up liberal energy in the party right now, and it has to go somewhere. Looks like it's going to Bernie. Ignore Bernie and his supporters at your peril. If you don't like the risk that Bernie and his supporters pose to the party, you had better do something about it and do it fast. Give them someone they want to vote for. You can't just tell them NOT to vote for Bernie because it will hurt the party. You have to give them an alternative that they actually want to vote for.

What do you have? Nothing? Most likely, if they can't vote for Sanders, they will vote for Bloomberg, and I predict that Bloomberg will, in fact, be our nominee. At least he's shown his willingness to take the fight directly to the Great Pumpkin.

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Response to Laelth (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:26 PM

104. That is where you are wrong...Trump is likely to win. It is hard to toss out an incumbent.

 

Sanders is to far left to win a general in terms of policy...
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #104)

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:29 PM

105. I don't think that most Americans care about "policy" at this point.

 

Seriously. It's attitude and appearance that are driving this election cycle, for better or for worse.



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Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:21 AM

107. How About Positive Campaigning

 

Bernie can win if the older crowd does not join the way more progressive younger crowd in voting for him.

I would hope that whoever we nominate would get the support of every Democrat. The real threat is in the White House letís get real.

Yes Vote Blue no matter who, none of our serious Candidates are remotely as bad as Dumb Orange Would Be Hitler. I mean come on, who among our candidates can come remotely close to doing the damage we would see with 4 more years with a dumb sociopathic Autocrat. Who would want to facilitate that?

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111. sandes would kill down ballot candidates

 


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