***** DEBATE THREAD #4 *****

[TexasTowelie]

Will this debate change what the voter's think?

[marlakay]

1. Well it made me realize my lady

Is not giving up!

[wildflower]

11. Yup

Good for her.

[aikoaiko]

14. I'm so glad she's back. She's fighting for her candidacy.

This is the Elizabeth Warren I had hoped to see.

[marlakay]

59. Me too

She took on the big banks and won.

[padah513]

34. And she shouldn't

So many so-called pundits wrote her off and I thought that was sickening.

[uponit7771]

112. +1, she's

[Jirel]

115. Love her.

All the misogynists saying she is “angry” or “overwrought.” Please. If she was a man, her approach would be universally praised.

She just picked up 3 of Bloomberg’s 10 lost odds points on the betting market.

[marlakay]

146. My moderate kids just wrote off Mike

Tonight after watching him. Looking at Pete now.

[Ohio Joe]

151. Not giving up?

Holy shit... She came to kick ass and chew bubble gum and was all out of bubble gum... One of the best debate performances i've ever seen.

[msongs]

2. trump has issues with women but didnt keep him out of the white house nt

[squirecam]

3. This is not helpful. Too vicious.

Nt

[BlueIdaho]

9. Yup

Nobody looks good tonight.

[highplainsdem]

10. True. Too much of a cage match.

[crimycarny]

17. Exactly!

A complete waste of time so far. Frustrating as hell.

[LaurenOlimina]

4. Michael Whomberg?

[highplainsdem]

5. Really bad answer from Bloomberg on the NDAs.

[Chemisse]

65. He really bombed that!

[yaesu]

6. Warren would make mincemeat out of the orange nazi, she doesn't hold back. nt

[we can do it]

123. Yes she would.

[CalFione]

7. They're going after Bloomberg now, it was Bernie early

Hoping they'll get back to going after Bernie again.

[KewlKat]

8. Yeah..they'll think we have nothing to offer them

BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUES should be what they are discussing not tearing each other apart.

[Chemisse]

12. Warren was ruthless with Bloomy! Wow!

[crimycarny]

13. Is that a debate or a bash Bloomberg hour?

I'm not a fan of Bloomberg by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm sick and tired of so much time being spent bashing Bloomberg. I want to hear the candidates talk about their POLICIES. This whole thing is devolving into a boxing match and completely useless to the undecided voter.

[Bradshaw3]

30. Since he's run $400M worth of ads this is a chance to answer them

They don't have the money for the ads so this is it before he buys the nomination.

[PatSeg]

139. Exactly

[The Mouth]

154. Respectfully disagree

He's the worst thing to happen to the Democratic Party since Reconstruction.

[LaurenOlimina]

15. Amy's flailing...

[apcalc]

84. No she isnt , she's fine

[LaurenOlimina]

97. he answer was awful... Warren rescued her.

[Prue]

135. Agree

I was disappointed to see Amy pull the "Are you saying I'm dumb" card which is as bad as pulling the gender card.

[Tarc]

16. "Yes officer, I'd like to report a murder"

"Some rich white guy just got stabbed like a million times by Liz Warren."

[Bradshaw3]

36. Ha!

Good one.

[blm]

141. She'll do worse to Trump

[highplainsdem]

18. Klobuchar's response on not knowing the name of the president of Mexico didn't help her.

[squirecam]

46. Warren said it was absolutely unfair

Came to her defense

[highplainsdem]

91. Considering how Warren went after Klobuchar earlier, I think it was more a way to go after Buttigieg

And FWIW, the best thing Klobuchar could have done would have been to ask Buttigieg if he'd ever forgotten a name. I'm sure Buttigieg would have had to admit he has, and if he'd claimed he's never forgotten a name, it wouldn't have gotten a sympathetic response from viewers.

Her trying to say her humbleness in admitting to a mistake is something we should want in a president wasn't as effective as just pointing out that people forget names at times.

[apcalc]

50. Stupid thing to even talk about

[mchill]

88. I forget names a lot

But I guarantee you I’m smarter than my former coworker who could remember every line from a movie.

[highplainsdem]

94. See reply 91 above.

[Chemisse]

19. Wonder if Liz is auditioning for VP

[jcgoldie]

23. Pretty sure she's running for president.

[still_one]

61. Of course she is

[Chemisse]

152. Then why didn't she attack the frontrunner? n/t

[jcgoldie]

153. Because she knows the Bernie Bros are impenetrable to some extent at this point

So her strategy seems to be to coalesce support from moderates to present the strongest establishment alternative. Although she did put the gloves on him at one point as well I believe over responsibility for the behavior of his surrogates.

[moriah]

25. My thought as well. nt

[dchill]

39. No.

[Mr. Sparkle]

20. The last few questions from the moderators are gotcha questions.

[demofan40]

22. Will Warren going after Bloomberg help her though?

Even though she's right. That's the big question.

You know how sexist people can be.

[IluvPitties]

28. Good question.

Took him out for sure, though!

[jcgoldie]

32. it certainly wont help him any

I think hes hiding under the lectern.

[Chemisse]

24. Amy's not handling this well.

[squirecam]

52. Warren handled it better than she did

It’s a bs line of attack, she couldn’t say so, but Warren did.

[Chemisse]

76. Yeah it is, and I don't know of any good way to handle it actually.

[squirecam]

95. Everyone makes gaffes

She admitted it. Harping on it is bs. Policies are the issue.

[KewlKat]

26. I'm turning this mess off.. they should all be ashamed of this performance

Trump is salivating by now.

[Pachamama]

35. Its obscene....I am so disgusted

What a Clusterfuck....

[Tweedy]

131. Really?

Here I was thinking the former VP was having a much better debate night

[PatSeg]

142. Yes, his best debate so far

[highplainsdem]

60. I have to wonder how many viewers they've lost.

I still have it on but I feel like I'm in the crossfire in a domestic argument.

[still_one]

83. How is Joe presenting himself?

[highplainsdem]

109. Quite well, but not getting enough time to talk.

[still_one]

116. Thanks. From the comments I am reading, that might actually be a good thing.

[highplainsdem]

120. Well, at least he isn't yelling and lobbing nonstop attacks at other candidates.

[still_one]

125. That sounds pretty Presidential to me, but I am bias

[highplainsdem]

127. He is coming across as the most presidential.

[Tweedy]

138. Disagree

Former VP Biden is doing much better tonight and he does seem presidential.

Elizabeth Warren, however, sounds like the president we need right now.

[Cha]

126. I saw this...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287542477

[still_one]

128. Thanks Cha. In otherwords he is Presidential.

[still_one]

73. Sorry to hear that. I am recording it, but may not watch it

[elleng]

27. THanks.

Amy takes charge of addressing important issue 'against her,' experience.

GOOD WAY to make decisions.

[IcyPeas]

29. she didn't forget - she didn't know

[StevieM]

31. Finally. Amy is looking like the bully that she is. (eom)

[KewlKat]

51. I think they are ALL displaying that

[apcalc]

89. That's nuts

[spooky3]

33. I like Warren's standing up for Klobuchar. nt

[elleng]

43. Yes, decent.

[MustLoveBeagles]

45. +1

[maximusveritas]

56. Would she say the same if Trump made the same mistake?

Just an attempt to pander to attempt to the audience, but it worked of course.

[spooky3]

68. Come on; that's an entirely different situation. Trump

routinely shows vast ignorance not only of names but of important policy issues and facts. He lies incessantly.

Warren's pointing out, correctly, that it is far more important to be knowledgeable about US-Mexican relations that to avoid ever blanking on a name.

[Renew Deal]

69. It made Klobuchar look bad.

[spooky3]

82. I disagree. I think Warren correctly pointed out that every one on the stage

would forget or not know a name occasionally, and what is more important is to know policy and facts.

[Renew Deal]

87. Everyone knows that.

And Buttigieg didn't attack her for that. It looked like she jumped in to save Klobuchar.

[spooky3]

93. You see it your way; I'll see it mine. nt

[Renew Deal]

99. .

[uponit7771]

118. No

[UniteFightBack]

86. I actually thought that was awful and made Amy look weak. She doesn't need anybody to

stick up for her.

[squirecam]

108. If it's an unfair attack

You speak up. She did.

I’m glad she did.

[LaurenOlimina]

37. Warren rescues Amy.

[StevieM]

54. Yep. Warren partially rescued Amy from her self-inflicted mess.

She made it look like Pete had tried demagoguing Amy, when in reality he did no such thing.

Klobuchar still looked pretty bad, and deservedly so.

Warren disappointed me there.

[LaurenOlimina]

67. I dunno, Klobuchar really needed rescuing.

I don't think it reflected badly on Pete. Klobuchar was shaking by the end there.

[StevieM]

122. Oh I agree that Klobuchar looked bad, and deservedly so.

Re-read my post, that is what I was saying. I just think that Warren slightly reduced the damage.

But not too much. Klobuchar looked like the bully that she is, and came across as very un-presidential.

[squirecam]

72. Warren told the truth

Everyone makes gaffes. It’s an unfair bs attack and she said so.

Thank you Liz.

[StevieM]

110. This wasn't a gaffe.

Amy lacked knowledge about the question she was asked. She didn't blank on the name, she didn't know it.

And she misrepresented the point that Mayor Pete was making. But that's what Amy does.

[Tweedy]

143. You do know Mayor Buttigieg's answer don't you?

The mayor did get the Mexican president's name correctly, although he added "I hope."

[StevieM]

145. He was being amusing.

Klobuchar just didn't know. And then she misrepresented what happened. And then she misstated Pete's criticism tonight.

Amy is a bully.

[Tweedy]

147. Disagree

Read the interview for yourself

[IcyPeas]

38. fact: Buttigieg is very smart. that is all.

[XRubicon]

100. He is indeed

[C_U_L8R]

40. Jibber Jabber

Hey candidates, get it together and let us know when you're done sniping

[IcyPeas]

48. i'm kind of liking this. better than the opposite

gives you a different sense of them in a way.

[MustLoveBeagles]

41. Elizabeth defending Amy

[crimycarny]

42. OMG--this is horrible!!

I blame the moderators. This debate is embarrassingly out of control. GOP must be laughing their a**es off. The moderators are even arguing with the candidates now!!

[stopbush]

57. Yep. Bloomberg looks like he's treading water until the debate swings around

to something he feels comfortable discussing, and I don’t think Warren is going to allow it to get to that point.

[ancianita]

66. Good. It proves she won't give one inch to Trump.

[demtenjeep]

102. how much makeup is he wearing?

he looks ridiculous

[stopbush]

133. None of them look good in close ups. The men look pasty and the women

are wearing too much rouge.

[MustLoveBeagles]

78. It's been vicious tonight

[dustyscamp]

47. I think Bloomberg lost his tongue

[dchill]

64. It was surgically removed.

[stopbush]

49. Biden and Bloomberg are coming off the best by virtue of saying the least.

It’s like the rest are engaged in an “I know you are but what am ?” contest.

[UniteFightBack]

75. Biden is the only one who met and knows the mexican president dude. Biden is the one we

need to be rallying around.

[LaurenOlimina]

77. I no universe did Bloomberg help himself tonight.

He jumped right into the Me Too pool.

[ancianita]

81. That's not what's been said about the women onstage in the past who said the least.

No "by virtue" for them. Ever.

[still_one]

96. interesting. I wonder if that is their strategy

[ancianita]

53. The insistent moderator is insufferable in trying to "gotcha." She doesn't know her job. Her tone

needs to get dialed down. During break the other moderators better huddle with her.

[squirecam]

85. Thank you

Warren saw it was unfair and spoke up.

[spooky3]

107. I agree--and she didn't seem well-informed. nt

[Polly Hennessey]

140. Well, if it was Hallie Jackson she is not well-informed.

Why she is a moderator is curious. Chuck Toad must be her mentor.

[elleng]

55. Good matters showing up, @ this 'confusing debate,'

the way candidates HANDLE confusion.

IMPORTANT

[Music Man]

58. Alternate take:

Tough, sparring debates make candidates tougher for the general election.

Their policies, ideas, and debating skills need to undergo stress tests. For instance, we're seeing Bloomberg is not up to this process.

I, for one, don't mind a tough series of back-and-forths like this.

[C_U_L8R]

71. Very true. Thanks.

It's just stressful to watch. Must...remember...to...breath.

[Grown2Hate]

92. Sadly, if you think about STRICTLY for a debate with Trump, I think you're right. Facts

don't matter to him, policy doesn't matter to him; this is a good warm-up for THAT. It's who can come across like the quicker witted and "tougher", for lack of a better term. One debate like this (early on, too) won't hurt us, but it can't devolve into this every time.

[Squidly]

144. But do you actually think

That tRump will even agree to a debate?

[Grown2Hate]

148. I think he feels he did well the first time around, so I don't think he's as afraid as he SHOULD be.

[ancianita]

101. I don't mind, either.I think they're great.This is substantive and energetic. No one loses tonight.

[padah513]

105. I agree

Like in football we need a candidate who can take the hits and is strong enough to shake off the pain and be ready for the next play. Trump isn't going to let up. He's going to hit our nominee over and over again and our nominee needs to be ready for it and ready to hit him back.

[emmaverybo]

136. And Bernie's go to is more over-heated harangue. Makes him sound too mad dictator.

[UniteFightBack]

62. You need to put +++DEBATE THREAD #4 ++++In the previous debate thread! Gotta give a heads up. nt

[Renew Deal]

70. Agree

[TexasTowelie]

150. Well, I missed that.

I was eating at the same time that I was listening to the debate. It looks like everyone eventually found their way over here.

[demofan40]

63. The party has to start coming together

After watching tonight, it just seems like it's getting further and further divided. I can't even imagine what Twitter must be like right now.

Who is going to be the one to step up and unite everyone? That's all that matters at this point.

[Renew Deal]

113. Everyone needs to relax

Things always get wild before SC. Then they even out.

[Mossfern]

74. I think so far

Pete is winning - he hasn't lost control and makes his point clearly.

[LaurenOlimina]

103. Him and Warren.

[bamagal62]

79. This is awful.

I can hardly watch.

[Politicub]

80. Pete needs to let this go

He’s coming across as petty. Don’t even get me started about the Telemundo journalist.

As an aside, it is refreshing to see Klobuchar easily admit that she made a mistake. It happens to all of us.

[IcyPeas]

98. except for trump - he never makes any mistakes so no need to apologize

[MustLoveBeagles]

104. I agree

This could backfire on him. All the sniping is making the debate hard to follow.

[squirecam]

137. Thank you

Nt

[Lulu KC]

149. He lost me

Go after DT. Not Amy.

[aikoaiko]

90. Is Ralston an asshat?

Seems like he fancies himself a comedian.

[rwheeler31]

114. Bloomberg is doing much better on climate.

[highplainsdem]

117. He's generally considered the best political journalist in Nevada.

[aikoaiko]

134. I guess one could still be the best in NV and be an asshat.

[demtenjeep]

132. Haha Bernie asked Chuck if he knew what Existential meant!

then he explained it to him.

Bwahaha

[krissey]

106. After reading four threads. Warren has been erased out of media, polls, and discussion in general.

She is making herself heard. Go woman. !!!

[TexasTowelie]

111. Beginning Mambo #5:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287542633

[ancianita]

119. Hahaha GO LIZ! " I believe in science."

Good energy answer.

[LaurenOlimina]

124. Yes please!

[LaurenOlimina]

121. Thread #5

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=542633[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=542633|

[MustLoveBeagles]

129. I'm starting another thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287542714

Everyone can move to that one when this one gets too long. Thanks for starting the previous 4 TT.

Edit: Nevermind. I've deleted it. I'm just too slow tonight.

[Hav]

130. I actually liked Sanders talking to Todd

about the environmemt and treating him like the idiot and jackass that he is.