Is Bloomberg the Trump knock off? I don't see that as appealing to anyone.

[uponit7771]

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Bloomberg's ✨✨✨RECORD ✨✨✨ shows he might be a center right republican policy wise, that's what we have now in Trump; a couple of left leaning policy views but as a whole a republican.

Socially with gays, women, PoC and fight for 15 Bloomberg has leaned right ... that's what we have now in Trump; a couple of of left leaning social views but as a whole a republican.

Truman said,

"...The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat,.."

The latest swing state GE polling (National GE polling doesn't mean much) has Biden still beating Trump past the MOE, where as the other candidates are withing margin of error (MOE).

If you don't trust that Bloomberg has gone from staunch republican to some left leanings to staunch democrat to some right leanings then what Truman said here describes Bloomberg ... FULL STOP !

Trumps a bastard you say, looking at Bloomberg's statement he's still a bastard but not as bad as Trump ... aka the Knock Off.

So even that doesn't appeal to most humans; people will take the genuine bastard they do know vs the bastard they don't.

Again, if you do NOT trust Bloomberg's change in policies in the last 9 months then what does he have to offer to the rest of America other than being better than Trump vs the other dem candidates are the opposite of Trump?

What say you?

tia

EDIT: Biden's swing state numbers are 3 times as high as Bloomberg's, Bloomberg doesn't do any better than the rest of dem candidates

I don't see what we're getting out of Bloomberg save the focus on picking a candidate.

[lapucelle]

1. Mike Bloomberg is a Libertarian-Leaning Progressive.

https://bit.ly/327gwUJ

[uponit7771]

2. This is not based on Bloomberg's RECORD of being mayor in NY. I don't see how enacting an openly

... racist policy in racial profiling is at all progressive.

[lapucelle]

3. That's why I included a link to the data that the assessment is based on. N/T

[uponit7771]

4. I changed the response to record, Bloomberg's record in NY is different from his stances he's

... taking now

[lapucelle]

7. The data I linked to does not support that claim.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm

[uponit7771]

18. The data you linked doesn't have all of Bloomberg's standings on racial profiling

[lapucelle]

11. The data is based on Bloombergs's years as mayor.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm

[uponit7771]

20. The data does not include Bloomberg's views on racial profiling

[duforsure]

5. Bloomberg's policies, statements and actions,

When exposed will have people running from him as a candidate, no matter how much he spends, where trump is such a liar, so corrupt, so divisive and evil, people are running away from him now a lot more then is being reported is why he's so desperately trying to fix this election with Putin and other dictators helping him win it knowing his actions are criminal acts against us and this country.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, I pray this is the case before Biden runs out of money. I'll support him to the end the number

... cross and swing state appeal of Biden hasn't changed much even after a 2% drop off from republican approval.

[lapucelle]

9. Here are his policies, statements, and actions.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm

[uponit7771]

12. No, this doesn't have Bloombergs overtly racist statements in support of racial profiling

[denem]

19. During Bloomberg's time as Mayor

Incarceration fell 36%, felony crime by 32%, and the murder of black men 16-25 years by 52%

That does not excuse racing profiling, but it is not consistent with hard line racism either.

In the nation as a whole, mass incarnation continued to rise during that period, as it did every year following the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill.

[uponit7771]

22. Irrelevant, he didn't have to enact overtly racist statement & racial profiling to achieve that

[denem]

26. Can you find an example of another big city

with a comparable record?

[uponit7771]

38. That didn't enact racism to not affect anything? Sure, any city 1 million metro area ...

There are no good factual reason why Bloomberg enacted racist Racial Profiling, there are no facts to back it up.

[denem]

43. That reported a 50% fall in murders of young black men?

If there are none, that would be a factual basis to support Bloomberg's policies, but would be evidence that alternatives do not work, only that they had not been tried.

[uponit7771]

45. This could be done without racism, there are no facts to back up the opposite view

[denem]

49. Here - I did a quick lookup for LA

For the eighth year in a row (2018), the city had fewer than 300 homicides, nearly four times less than in the 1990s
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-lapd-homicides-20180131-story.html

One would expect murders of young black men to have fallen more than 50% 2002-2013

[uponit7771]

51. Great, we agree the bad numbers fell in LA without enacted racism to do it that it didn't happen

... relatively overnight is still not a valid reason to enact racism for an end.

[denem]

52. I would not say the LAPD acts without racism,

but point taken

[uponit7771]

54. True, they act without a written policy of racism while Bloomberg and Trump have written

... policies of racism and Trump has a written policy of UN Title 4 part 3 genocide.

I ... I don't see the appeal of Bloomberg after this mornings MJ numbers came out on the swing states.

Biden is beating Trump by nearly 8 points in those states and Bloomberg is tracking along with the pack.

[denem]

59. Because beating trump is my 100% priority,

so is sidelining Sanders. Biden has shown no appetite for taking on Bernie. I am hoping Bloomberg will do better, whatever the outcome of the nomination may be.

It's a sore point with me - Biden hammered Warren on M4A, while giving Sanders a free pass, going so far as to praise him for saying taxes will rise on the middle class.

[lapucelle]

25. The analysts at On the Issues don't cherry pick de-contextualized statements,

and present them in isolation as a summary of a candidate's policy record (if that's what you mean), but Bloomberg's record is there.

https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Mike_Bloomberg_Crime.htm

[uponit7771]

39. Bloomberg's racism as a policy in NY was not stand alone and analyst here left that out completely

[lapucelle]

47. Objective analysts aren't good at providing bias confirmation for loaded terms

like "Candidate X's racism as policy", especially when the record does not support the claim.

[uponit7771]

50. Bloomberg enacted Racial Profiling is a fact, loaded term or not and these analyst left that out

[lapucelle]

55. Mike Bloomberg's record on and apology for Stop and Frisk is included in the data

at On the Issues.

[uponit7771]

57. SQF is legal and moral and not racial profiling. Bloomberg's conflation of the two is of the reasons

... I don't trust his apologies on the matter along with his lie "... no one told me about stop and frisk... " BS.

[lapucelle]

60. The questions concerning SQF are complicated. Bloomberg admitted that he was wrong,

that the policy led to injustice, and he has apologized multiple times.

I'm glad that you included the "Q" in your acronym. My son is NYPD in a busy precinct in a marginalized community that includes a large public housing project. Residents of the project were continually calling the police to do something about non-resident panhandlers who were lining up at the entrances to buildings asking for money. Folks were uncomfortable coming and going from their homes, and some were feeling unsafe, given the sometimes aggressive requests.

Police inaction was taken by residents and community leaders to mean "The police don't care about protecting and serving people like us."

The precinct commander decided to instruct the beat cops to use the "stop" component to ask the panhandlers whether they lived in the complex and the "question" component to ask for ID with an address to confirm that they were residents.

Anyone who was not a resident was asked or told to stop congregating at the doors and ultimately to leave the complex. There were few actual arrests, and it got to the point were the panhandlers would see the cops approaching and simply leave.

That precinct's use of SQF as a tool to respond to the needs of that particular community has been discontinued.

Was SQF always used "to protect and serve"? Certainly not. Were people unjustly profiled and targeted? Undoubtedly. Did some cops abuse and misuse it? To their everlasting shame and disgrace --- yes.

However, I think it needs to be remembered that the policy involved myriad complex considerations, some of which are not immediately obvious.

[dubyadiprecession]

8. Is anyone a trump knockoff?

I don’t think anyone is that f*#kedup in the head.

[uponit7771]

15. I agree Donald Trump is the closest America has come to a TEXT BOOK genocidal racist but ...

... Americans wont admit to themselves he is one.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Bloomberg will knock Trump off.

You bet he will.

[gollygee]

13. You underestimate how many people Trump appeals to

There are so many people here deluded about what people in middle America like. The things we dislike most about Bloomberg are the things a great deal of people will like best. Not in NY or Cali but elsewhere, and we have to win state by state, not by popular vote. I think it's a sad statement that he'd be so popular, and yet here we are. This is the state of America today.

[uponit7771]

16. True, so why wont people just take the genuine vs the fake democrat? Also, are people discounting ..

... lower turnout from PoC?!

I don't know ANYONE who'd vote for Bloomberg once they know his record on racial profiling, spying on Muslims etc.

[gollygee]

28. I think he can win but I think Biden can win too

so why go for the worst choice? I want someone who can win but he's a pretty horrible person. He would take votes from Trump though - I think a lot of them. He's better than trump but only marginally. I mean he's really concerned about the environment and he isn't anti-science, so he's got that going for him, but there are so many problems.

[uponit7771]

31. I don't think Bloomberg can win just like I don't see Sanders wining. The swing state numbers

... don't support either one of them.

No one wants better than Trump, the country needs opposite of Trump and Biden has the best appeal.

I'm making the case of Bloomberg ... NOT .. wining the swing states ... his numbers are no better than the rest of them.

[gollygee]

58. I think either Biden or Bloomberg could win Michigan

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/01/15/mike-bloomberg-other-democrats-lead-donald-trump-michigan-poll/4469175002/

Of course it's early yet and who knows where things are headed.

[polichick]

14. A con man to take on a con man. No thanks. This is about protecting...

the financial status quo - the networks are doing their part, but voters can decide whether or not to fall for it.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, I pray democrats understand Bloomberg is the fake democrat that will be rejected for the genuine

... republican.

[polichick]

62. In all my years on earth, the thing that has freaked me out the most...

...is how easy it is to con human beings. Over and over again, people are foolishly drawn to bullies and mean girls, sleazy sports and media figures, corrupt corporate heads and politicians, manipulative religious leaders, etc.

How wonderful the world would be if this one thing did not happen!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. No; Trump is one of a kind (fortunately).

Bloomberg evidently has plenty of his own negative shit - a history of racist, sexist statements and questionable policies as mayor, at least - but his shit is not fundamentally the same as Trump's. Both of them are assholes but Trump is a crook and a grifter who is interested only in self-aggrandizement and making money at other people's expense. Bloomberg hasn't been accused of overt grifting and thievery, as far as I know, and while he's probably a narcissist too, he's not off-the-charts crazy. But I don't like him, except to the extent he drives Trump crazy.

[uponit7771]

27. The Bloomberg is just better than Trump when the opposite of Trump is what is needed.

[LiberalArkie]

34. Wasn't it Bloomberg when mayor of NYC had the law changed so he could run for a third term?

[uponit7771]

42. YES !!! On balance Bloomberg is the car that sounds like it will start but doesn't when America need

... needs a working car to get back and fort to work with.

I don't know how to make the contrast, Bloomberg's swing state numbers are worse than Sanders.

[LiberalArkie]

61. Kind of like a mini-Putin.

[DesertRat]

23. Bloomberg should have run as a Republican to take on Trump

He doesn't share our Democratic party beliefs

Link to tweet

[uponit7771]

29. THIS !!!! I'm not fooled by his left swings when he appealed to people like Trump for a reason.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Bigoted racist New York personality? Sure! As long as he's OUR bigoted racist New York personality!

[uponit7771]

30. Then that's better than Trump when the country wants opposite of Trump. Truman said the genuine wins

[Skya Rhen]

32. Really? Certainly appealing to lots of our very own DUers....

[uponit7771]

35. True but they're convinced Bloomberg can win the swing states when there's no evidence of this. ...

... Biden's swing state numbers are 3 times as high as his.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

37. I don't think he appeals to many people,

except to the extent that he gets under Trump's skin. That's kind of fun to watch. But no, Bloomberg isn't an appealing character.

[uponit7771]

40. THANK YOU !!! Bloomberg's swing state numbers are no better than anyone else's !!!

[delisen]

33. Bloomberg strong on abortion & women' s health. No Trumper

The human rights of women count when assessing candidates.

[uponit7771]

36. So do the human rights of PoC, again ... some left leaning but on balance he's right

[honest.abe]

41. Bloomberg has been strong on gun control and climate change for many years.

That is a 180 from Trump and the vast majority of Republicans.

[uponit7771]

44. We agree on those issues but on balance his RECORD is right leaning socially. Bloomberg's swing stat

... numbers are worse than Biden's

[honest.abe]

46. Then he is not a "Trump knockoff".

Right?

[uponit7771]

48. Yes, he's the closest we have to Trumps views and he has no swing state appeal. Swing states...

... don't want Trump either Biden is leading Trump in swing states by nearly double digits.

There was a poll on MJ this morning that should've blown up Bloombergs campaign but I don't see anyone else pushing it.

[honest.abe]

53. I dont see it that way.

Bloomberg may be similar regarding some issues but clearly very different on many many others. Not at all a "Trump knock off".

[uponit7771]

56. OK, this thread convinced me Bloomberg is better than Trump and that's still bad. The country

... wants opposite of Trump and the swing state polling proves this where Trump nor Bloomberg are beating Biden in those areas.

[Baked Potato]

63. After being bombarded with Bloomberg ads, I was thinking yeah this guy looks good

Then, as I looked past his clever commercials, I see a politician who is simply rich enough to bend or twist any way the masses want him to, and please don’t look at my past. I don’t think Bloomberg is the “genuine article” as you have quoted from Truman. He has lots of baggage with many name tags on it, Democrat being the last one applied.

[uponit7771]

64. +1, Biden is beating him in swing states.