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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:37 PM

 

Asking... why do Bernie supporters want him over Elizabeth?

I'm really serious. I'd like to hear from Bernie supporters about good reasons why.
Thank you.
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Reply Asking... why do Bernie supporters want him over Elizabeth? (Original post)
Shanti Mama Feb 2020 OP
krissey Feb 2020 #1
Meadowoak Feb 2020 #2
CentralMass Feb 2020 #3
squirecam Feb 2020 #14
TalenaGor Feb 2020 #28
AleksS Feb 2020 #16
CentralMass Feb 2020 #24
MH1 Feb 2020 #23
redqueen Feb 2020 #4
Blue_true Feb 2020 #12
BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #15
lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #5
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #6
relayerbob Feb 2020 #11
NurseJackie Feb 2020 #13
Post removed Feb 2020 #7
DanTex Feb 2020 #8
melman Feb 2020 #9
OliverQ Feb 2020 #10
Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #17
ancianita Feb 2020 #20
Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #18
thesquanderer Feb 2020 #19
Post removed Feb 2020 #21
ancianita Feb 2020 #22
Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #25
ancianita Feb 2020 #27
malchickiwick Feb 2020 #26

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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:40 PM

2. Single payer!

 

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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:40 PM

3. If your preferred candidate from 2016 was.running again this cycle, wouldn't they be your top pick?

 

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:59 PM

14. I am so glad you said that

 

Because when people say Bernie has lost 1/2 his support from 2016 the response from Sanders supporters is that more people are running.

But I agree with you. If your top pick ran in 2016, then you should still be with him in 2020. No matter how many others are running.
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Response to squirecam (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:41 PM

28. nah...I disagree w that concept- I'm always free to choose

 

From what is in front of me...

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:05 PM

16. Not if someone better was running this year.

 

There weren't a lot of choices in 2016. It's certainly possible that there's a better candidate available to choose from out of the pile this year, than either of the candidates in 2016.

Being the best in a group of A and B four years ago, doesn't equate to being the best in a group of A, C, D, E, F, G, and H this year.

It's not like a sports team, where you're "Ride or Die for Team XXXX" and changing teams is a betrayal. It's about who the best candidate is each cycle.

Now it's possible that you think Bernie really is the best candidate in 2020, but "Because I supported him before" is not really a good reason (in itself) to support him now.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:41 PM

24. First of all I believe that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate

 

I also have a lot of respect and admiration for Senator Warren. While I followed a job out of my native Massachusetts in 2015 I voted for Senator Warren back in 2012. I have photo of my oldest daughter standing side by side with the Senator in her D.C. office. Were Bernie not in the race, she would be my first choice..
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Response to CentralMass (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:34 PM

23. Nope, only if they were a better candidate, and they aren't. nt

 

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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:42 PM

4. Two reasons.

 

1. her support is trending the wrong direction
2. she doesn't seem to understand the threat posed to the American workforce by automation and AI
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Response to redqueen (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:56 PM

12. When has Bernie talked about the threat of automation and AI?

 

He doesn't even seem to understand that those are the things most responsible for lost jobs and income inequality.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:00 PM

15. Lol

 

Really. Thatís a former Yang supporter who for some reason isnít keen on Warren and is just winging it. Bernie, to your point, has been saying the same thing about the economy for 40 years.
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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:43 PM

5. X marks the spot

 

or, in this case, XY marks the spot.
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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:43 PM

6. Nailed it.

 

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:56 PM

11. Sad but true

 

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:59 PM

13. Ding!

 

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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:48 PM

8. A few things.

 

--He's doing better in polls. That means that the best chance for a progressive nominee right now is Bernie. If Warren pulls ahead, I might well change to her.

--Watching pundits and people online beat up on Bernie for the stupidest of reasons has pushed me more into his corner.

--When Warren said the thing about Bernie telling her he didn't think a woman could win, that wasn't cool. I'm sure that's what she thought he said, but I'm also sure it's not what he actually said. And it was a private conversation, no reason to go public with what she knew would be a fiery story.

But overall I'd be happy with either of them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:49 PM

9. Asking...

 

Why do people pretend they're the same?
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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:52 PM

10. I don't. Warren has been my top choice since day 1.

 

But as you can see, she's for whatever reason not doing well in the race so far and it doesn't seem like she has much chance to win. So who is the next closest person to her policy goals and commitment to supporting the 99%? Bernie.
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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:11 PM

17. I was with Warren. Don't get why she hasn't caught on. Nt

 

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:18 PM

20. "Magic" for Klobuchar, "not caught on" for Warren. THEY are the last two women of the original 20

 

Democratic Party candidates -- and you say Warren has not caught on??

No. That's not it. Definitely not it.

We have one major Democratic candidate -- Julian Castro, no less -- who not only endorses her but stumps with her, saying her campaign is tightly organized and on the ground running fast and smart.

Castro could have chosen anyone else. But he chose Warren. DU should care about why he chose her, don't you think?



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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:16 PM

18. I like Elizabeth. She's my #2. But I've been a fan of Bernie's since I spent summers in

 

Vermont. He has been on my radar for decades. He's authentic and honest and has been fighting for working and poor as long as I've been aware of politics and politicians. I think Elizabeth has so much to offer. If Bernie weren't in the race, I'd support her but not with as much passion as I do Bernie. The things he's been fighting for so many of the candidates have much more recently come to - or evolved. He was right about the Iraq War. He was right about Wall Street. He and Warren would be a formidable team and I hope if he is our President she is in his administration. I know the Sanders campaign has researched whether someone can be both VP and treasury secretary, although the inquiry didn't rise to the level of an official legal analysis undertaken by the campaign attorney. Although I worry about losing a Senate seat in MA I do think they would be a very strong team and do great things together.

I answered your question - I honestly do not want to get into a debate about my points so hopefully I won't have to ignore a bunch of comments telling me how wrong I am for my decision!

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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:16 PM

19. I prefer Warren, but I may switch to Sanders...

 

...if polls continue to show him as stronger against Trump.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:28 PM

22. I was for Bernie four years ago, then voted Hillary in the General. That could happen this time with

 

others here.

I'll say that Sanders' problematic campaign fringes haven't helped me to support him this time around.

But the most important reason I think Bernie supporters choose him over Elizabeth is the same reason he once told her a woman couldn't win.

Period. They'll never admit it. But all the pro-women candidates people here know it's true.

They fear that any woman nominee will be feared as much as Hillary was, undermined, lied about, smeared, maligned and zombie-chanted about -- all to reinforce the fear that all patriarchalists have about trusting women.

Behind them? Wall Street, bankers, and the corrupt who benefit from women being feared. Especially a bankruptcy and constitutional expert who knows how to root out their boyz club corruptions.

Bernie, who's never built an actual government agency from bottom to top like Warren has -- the whole Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, for chrissake -- or sponsored as many laws that Warren has, will ever be held to a different standard.


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Response to ancianita (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:47 PM

25. As a woman, I can tell you it's not my reason. Period. I'm a pro-policy person. I outlined how

 

I feel about Warren. Quite honestly, I thought she would be our first woman President and when Clinton ran against Obama I was very disappointed it wasn't Warren. But I've been a fan of Sanders for decades - just never thought he would run. Once he did - I'm all in. But please don't make statements about women supporters of Sanders and how we feel.
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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:58 PM

27. I emphasized myself. I emphasized how Hillary was vilified. If you're not in the "people" audience,

 

I hear your point.
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Response to Shanti Mama (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:58 PM

26. Institutional misogyny has definitely been a factor; let's be honest.

 

Please note: I do not accuse any individual of misogyny, altho in some cases, it may be warranted. I am talking about the nature of the patriarchal society in which we live
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