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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:33 PM

 

Vox: Opinion: Why Medicare for All works for Bernie Sanders -- and nobody else

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Democratic candidates who endorsed Medicare for All did significantly worse than those who did not. The estimated coefficient of -4.6 indicates that support for Medicare for All cost Democratic candidates in these competitive districts almost five points of vote margin — a substantial effect in a close election.

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Polling data indicates why single-payer might be a liability. At first glance, Medicare-for-all does poll pretty well: 56 percent approval and 41 percent disapproval, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey. It could be aided by some misconceptions, though: More than half of people, for example, think they’d be able to keep their health insurance plan under the single-payer system. (Under Sanders’s bill, they would not; most private insurance would be prohibited after the four-year transition period.)

Polling data indicates why single-payer might be a liability. At first glance, Medicare-for-all does poll pretty well: 56 percent approval and 41 percent disapproval, according to the most recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey. It could be aided by some misconceptions, though: More than half of people, for example, think they’d be able to keep their health insurance plan under the single-payer system. (Under Sanders’s bill, they would not; most private insurance would be prohibited after the four-year transition period.)

But public opinion hinges on how you talk about the issue. Support dropped from 56 percent to 37 percent when voters were told the proposal would eliminate private insurance companies or raise taxes for most Americans. (Support correspondingly surged when voters heard the strongest talking points in favor of the proposal: universal coverage and lower health care costs.)

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Algernon Moncrieff Feb 14 OP
IronLionZion Feb 14 #1
Algernon Moncrieff Feb 14 #12
krissey Feb 14 #2
abqtommy Feb 14 #3
Algernon Moncrieff Feb 14 #11
MoonlitKnight Feb 14 #4
Proud Veteran Feb 14 #5
jr1118x Feb 14 #6
Blue_true Feb 14 #7
jr1118x Feb 14 #8
Proud Veteran Feb 14 #9
Name removed Feb 15 #13
Algernon Moncrieff Feb 14 #10
Name removed Feb 15 #14
Algernon Moncrieff Feb 15 #15

Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:38 PM

1. There's something wrong with your link

 

This might be the correct VOX link

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/14/21132038/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-2020-election

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:04 PM

12. Thanks. Don't know why my link does not work.

 

I appreciate your help!
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:40 PM

2. Last couple days Sanders, AOC and Sanders staffer all said M4A wasn't going to happen and adopted

 

Democratic plans of incrementing medicare or public option.
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:40 PM

3. Maybe MFA isn't a viable plan but it just might get us to a more acceptable single-payer deal or

 

ACA upgrade and that would be fine with me.
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Response to abqtommy (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:03 PM

11. This

 

Either public option or a "barebones" M4A plan that has public market add-ons like medicare Part B has now.
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:45 PM

4. Oh my god it raises taxes

 

Technically yes.

But having my healthcare premiums deducted from my paycheck by my employer to pay Cigna vs. having a tax payment taken out of my check instead is a tax increase- sign me up. We already have a Medicare tax in our paychecks. With everyone in the risk pool, that portion likely drops substantially and the tax increase will be less than my premiums.
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:05 PM

5. Is Medicare for All a non-starter in this political climate?

 

Just asking. If it takes a super majority (60 votes) in the Senate that is simply unsustainable.Really think that public option/medicaid expansion would get us back on the right path.
Many working people including Independents would not like to lose their employer coverage.
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Response to Proud Veteran (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:01 PM

6. Just thinking......

 

Well if the wall could be declared a National Emergency and shift funding. Why not just say healthcare is a national emergency, ram a E.O. through the pigs faces and after 4-8 years of everyone having MFA would be so popular would make it hard to remove.

Why do we always play by the rules and get fucked. Make them take it for a change.
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Response to jr1118x (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:19 PM

7. It may do it in reality, but the Wall doesn't cause people's taxes to go up.

 

It doesn't matter that MFA once fully implemented could be better for every American, that is something that we can only speculate on, but for sure people's taxes will go up, that is a known.
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Response to Blue_true (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:36 PM

8. So take the money from other budget items

 

And? The wall diverts budgeted funds so we could just divert funds. Just saying if 1 side doesnt play by the rules then i dont see why the other side should too. Make them take it for a change.

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Response to jr1118x (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:39 PM

9. REALLY?

 

Where are you going to find approx. 3.2 TRILLION per year to divert?
MFA has an estimated cost of 32 trillion for ten years.
Divert this.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 11:01 PM

10. I'll make this observation based on the ACA

 

People love the idea of a government medical plan that they feel like they are not paying for. The moment they realize money will come out of their wallets they scream like they were scalded.
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Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:02 AM

15. I'm familiar with the arguments, however...

 

The continued demonization of the insurance industry ignores the underlying fact that providers (hospitals, doctors, dentists, DME providers, therapists, and TPAs) and pharma share equal blame. Medical practices overstate services to squeeze more out of insurance. Hospitals raise rates to make up the deficit for those who can't or won't pay. Everybody in the system is greedy. The existing Medicare system is regularly and frequently fleeced by providers (you too are entitled to a free back brace).

I like the M4A argument in theory. Everyone is covered at a minimal cost. But it ignores the fact that we are first and foremost a consumer culture. We want what we want. Some of us want to see our family doctor. Others go to big practices and don't care who they see. Others want to go straight to a specialist. Some are happy to see a PA or ARNP is it means being seen right effing now. As it stands now, insurance companies can be very intrusive in your private business if you are, for example, overweight. I don't see that changing at all if the government becomes the principal insurer.

There is a lot in American culture that will not appreciate single-payer as it exists in Europe. I think the saner approach is robust public base insurance (like an ACA Bronze) that gets everyone basic care and emergency care, and then let private insurance handle selling policies that allow people to pay for personal preferences and needs.

Also, before you send insurance off to the dustbin of history, consider the many forms of medical treatment that are paid by non-medical insurance policies - car accidents, work comp claims, slips and falls covered under general liability. Who is paying for these things under Berniecare - the taxpayer?
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